road rage,Woman blocks road and claims cyclist is attacking her

Jimbo hope your mate is OK. Far too many drivers cut corners but that is shocking. Lucky escape and hope he heals well and soon.

@jimbobrighton – That’s not nice viewing, healing vibes to your mate…

Back to the original vid though:

Like others I don’t dispute the fact that the cyclist was in the right, and yeah he is far more restrained than the 4×4 driving mentalist…

I just question weather or not he would have engaged in the argument with her at all if He’d not been wearing the Headcam…

And that’s really the thing, why is it not enough to know you are right and move on, ~60 seconds of shouty “Debating” with the hard of thinking won’t sway their opinion or help the flow of traffic, pick the wrong individual and you may well get a slap too, so why bother, unless of course what you really wanted to post some conflict on t’interwebz…

I actually think helmet cam gathered footage of dangerous driving should be easily submitted directly to the police for them to act on, and each force should set up a unit to pursue offenders and bung in a fixed penalty notice, could be quite a good revenue generator IMO.

But one of the main conditions should be that the rozzers will only follow up on submissions where the camera wearer did not actively seek any form of confrontation (Verbal or Physical) after observing the event… Any footage should to be treated as evidence of an offense i.e. not posted up online…

People would probably conduct themselves far better if they knew there was a chance their actions would potentially be scrutinised by the Police rather then youtube viewers and forum numpties…

Record the offense, move on, email the footage to the police with your notes, if you do genuinely see helmet cams as devices for improving road safety and not just an excuse to try and provoke strangers…
As it is bad drivers probably don’t believe they’ll be prosecuted and hence just see helmet cam wearing cyclists as confrontation seeking, belligerent bellends, to be treated with contempt…

The cyclist was restrained in my opinion and if it were me I’d have escalated the incident when she starts the lone woman shriek … Explaining I’m filming the whole incident so the police can see what an utter f ** ktard they’re dealing with !!!

The more cyclists stand up to poor motoring the less we’ll have to deal with in the
Future.. (Being as polite as you can of course) but it’s hard at times when your getting cut up every few minutes on our congested roads 🙁

Thing is cookeaa in the majority of cases where no-one was injured* the police couldn’t give a **** dont have the resources available to chase these drivers. So a bit of verbal chastisement and posting on youtube is as far as you can take it.

I don’t wear a cam and have tried to discuss/argue with a few drivers and I’m really not normally an angry/confrontational person. Mixture of the adrenaline spike and the rather annoying knowledge that someone just put you in great jeopardy just to move a few feet forward in the queue of commuter traffic. It’s not ideal and it certainly doesn’t help your eloquence in trying to put your side across but it is what it is and I don’t think it has anything at all to do with a video being strapped to your helmet.

*even where no-one was injured in plenty of cases there’s evidence of careless/dangerous driving which should be dealt with, next time someone may get hurt.

I don’t think for one moment she saw him approaching and when she did it was too late because she was committed to passing the parked cars and there was another car behind her and another one behind that and so on and so forth

Yes she was wrong and it was an awkward situation but the cyclist made it worse.

As others have said put it down to life’s rich tapestry and move on

But one of the main conditions should be that the rozzers will only follow up on submissions where the camera wearer did not actively seek any form of confrontation (Verbal or Physical) after observing the event… Any footage should to be treated as evidence of an offense i.e. not posted up online…

So you’re saying that if Jimbo’s mate up thread had call the other driver a nasty name his video should be ignored?

She saw him coming towards her, he wasn’t in the gutter (not that he should be) so she put herself in that position right in front of him to try and prove her point thinking “there’s no way I’m moving over for a cyclist”.

This does seem to be the case. If you watch it, she moves closer to the curb after seeing him. I assume, to intentionally block him in as a punishment for being on the road or something? 😕

It’s easy to say hop up on the curb, but on a road bike it would be just as easy to find yourself on your face trying this, and going round to the right you’ve got to pass through the oncoming traffic again, which they’ll not be expecting. She started the confrontation. To be honest, if someone did that that to me and I was in the car, I’d be getting ready to reverse out of there in case they’re some kind of nutter. It’s a very provocative stance to take.

rocketman when she stopped she was still 1.5-2 car lengths from the parked car (check 16-18seconds of the vid), she had room to pull over let the cyclist through and still get around the parked cars without having to reverse, she stopped there specifically to get in the cyclists way (or she is a completely inept driver and shouldn’t have a licence)

In what way, and what could he have done to avoid that?

This. As mentioned by butcher she actually moves further in to the kerb, and then does the bit about road tax, from which it’s reasonable to assume that she thinks she has RoW because she’s in a car.

To those suggesting the cyclist wouldn’t have had the argument without the cam – rubbish. I think an awful lot of cyclists (myself included) would have stopped to discuss once she confronted him by opening the door, camera or no camera.

forms commuting club with DONK and aracer- what they say basically.

I haven’t read every post but have seen the video.
I’m not sure how much the incident has got to do with him being a cyclist. I’ve had this happen to me several times in a car and the bike. Sometimes it’s just an aggressive driver just forcing there way through. Most of the time however it’s usually a nervous and incompetent driver who isn’t aware of what’s going on and blindly pulls, invariably if you don’t make way they get flustered because they don’t even have the skills / confidence to reverse back.
These drivers can usually be identified by the fact that they have there hands clamp to the wheels, always looking forwards without actually ‘seeing’, never look in there mirrors, or what is going on around them.

I wonder if her hi viz was to warn other road users away?

Bigger issues at stake, obviously, but it’s ‘here, here’, not ‘hear, hear’.

Is it? What is that short for then?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear,_hear

It’s hear hear. Here here would make no sense whatsoever, would it?

Ooh! I thought I knew it meant ‘I agree over here’. Still have a strong feeling I’m right, but won’t get all sweary about it.

unless you are going to drag a car driver from their car and beat em to their senses any converstaion is a waste of your time.
youtube seems to be full of angry cyclists looking for altercation.
drivers dont care.
ride defensively and ignore em,
hop on pavement get past then back on the road would have saved all the anger.

You’re wrong.

HTH

Hear, hear. (To the last but one post). To the previous post… well done for getting ‘you’re’ correct.

You’d “call” someone for being racist right. Right? So why not call them out when they try to bully you off the road?
Should we all just meekly let shit drivers force us of the road?
And as said above, she opens the door to start an argument, and cycling on the pavements illegal.

If councils didn’t insist on putting parking bays in such stupid places, such incidents would happen a lot less often.
Sometimes lane markings and road layouts are completely non-sensical and serve only to encourage behaviour that goes completely against common sense – not to mention the highway code.

Hear, hear vs. here, here
Hear, hear (usually with a comma and set apart as a self-contained sentence) is the conventional spelling of the colloquial exclamation used to express approval for a speaker or sentiment. It’s essentially short for hear him, hear him or hear this, hear this, where these phrases are a sort of cheer.
Here, here is widely regarded as a misspelling, although it is a common one, and there are ways to logically justify its use. But for what it’s worth, hear, hear is the original form (the Oxford English Dictionary cites examples going back to the 17th century) and is the one listed in dictionaries. English reference books mention here, here only to note that it’s wrong.

I thought he handled that fairly well. Kept his cool, didn’t get too abusive.

Heer heer

Cyclist may have been in the right but acted like a dick. I would have just gone on the pavement and carried on with the commute rather than have a pointless rant

Re ‘here, here’ vs ‘hear, here’: I yield.

I’d have gone up onto the path & shook my head at her.
Like most on here would.
Not worth the hassle.

She’ll come across the wrong type one day, likewise he’ll end up on someone’s bonnet blocking the road with his pedantry.

blocking the road with his pedantry.

any video evidence of his pedantry blocking the road? I mean, in the OP we can see the driver blocking the road and a cyclist just trying to ride down his side of the road, didn’t spot his pedantry.

PS what does a pedantry look like? Is it a breed of dog or something?

Cyclist may have been in the right but acted like a dick.

hmm

I would have just gone on the pavement

for which plenty of other people would have considered you a dick, it being illegal and all.

If you listen to her reasoning it basically comes down to “I’m a driver, your a cyclist therefore I have priority”

While so many seem to be labelling him a dick, he was just standing up against being bullied, if cyclists keep just turning the other cheek it just reinforces the perception of many car drivers that they can force us off the roads because cars have priority.

Whenever I see threads like this I often wonder how many posters actually ride bikes.

Whenever I see threads like this I often wonder how many posters actually ride bikes.

Indeed apparently being on the correct side of the road and stopping because a vehicle leaves you with no legal manoeuvre to execute constitutes blocking the road with pedantry 😕

I am also confused why everyone is accusing him of ranting she opens her door to start the conversation as he tries to get past whilst on the wrong side of the road, with her side still clear and space to pull into to moan at him for being in the middle of the road 😯 In reality he is legally where he should be she legally in the wrong place and she ends up shouting about assault after mentioning road tax

+1 for Donk, MSP & JY

somebody give that daft bint an Oscar for the great bit of acting towards the end…..then bosh her on the head with it to knock some sense into her….as for the cyclist…i probably would have reacted the in same way….does that make me a tool also?

hope Jimbo’s friend is ok.

Who here really wouldn’t have been more than annoyed had some driver, who was unquestionably in the wrong, exclaimed loudly ‘but I’m a driver!’ as part of his/her defence? By all accounts that is exactly what riles up fellow STWers, yet here many of you are deriding the cyclist for being angry stating that you would have simply hopped up on the curb and cycled happily away.

How many actual cyclists use this forum?

yet here many of you are deriding the cyclist for being angry stating that you would have simply hopped up on the curb and cycled happily away.

How many actual cyclists use this forum?

I said I’d ride past and forget about it. Not because of who i believe is in the right or wrong but because I have more important things to worry about in my life.

I’m a cyclist btw,

Haven’t we discussed this chap before, or am I misremembering? Wheeled warrior going round looking for confrontation, bellowing registration numbers?

Anyway. In terms of road rage, the cyclist completely overreacted first of all. All other things being equal, if I’d have been the woman and was faced with some gobshite bawling and swearing and pointing his flappy arms about then I’d have probably have yelled straight back at him too. Wholly unnecessary and achieves nothing other than to antagonise other road users and reinforce the opinion (however incorrect) that we shouldn’t be there.

That said. As far as I can tell, she saw him coming and deliberately moved over to the kerb to block him off. She’s pulled out far earlier than she needed to and moved over further than necessary. She’s clearly seen him, otherwise she wouldn’t have slowed, and there’s ample room for her to just correct her course and carry on if it’s an honest mistake. I fail to see any justification at all for this sort of behaviour. What was she thinking, what did she expect? It’s bullying, pure and simple. I don’t blame him for standing his ground, I would have done so as well. I haven’t put up with bullies since my school days and I’m damned if I’m going to start doing so a couple of decades later.

What could he have done? Only option really is to just wait it out, she’s plenty of space to move into. A few here have said “hop onto the pavement,” can’t do that, it’s illegal. Go round the right? Sure, and then you’re on the wrong side of the road facing oncoming traffic, that seems safe and sensible.

It’s not clear from the video, but it looks to me like he dismounts and wheels the bike past her. She then opens the door to block his path. She’s determined to have a pop at him and, when that fails, starts yelling all sorts of nonsense in the hope that, what, I don’t even know, passers-by my jump to her defence?

So yeah. From a roadcraft point of view he’s wholly in the right and she’s wholly in the wrong. From a road rage perspective they both could’ve behaved a lot better. He might well be right, but he’s going to get a good hiding sooner or later if he doesn’t calm down a bit.

I think I’d have done similar. When she blocked my path I’d have just stood there astride the bike and just folded my arms and wait it out.

I’ve done it in the car before now when some clown decided to push past a pinch point in the hope that I would drive my car into some (potentially) bottomless ditch at the side of the road so he could get past. He backed up….
As cougar says, bullies need to be stopped and at 41 im damned if im going to be the victim!

Haven’t we discussed this chap before, or am I misremembering? Wheeled warrior going round looking for confrontation, bellowing registration numbers?

no i think that’s a different accent. the guy in the video has an Irish accent wheras the guy you’re thinking off had a very nasal southern accent…i think…
but nevertheless a well worded post Cougar.

I’d hope as a cyclist I’d not waste much time discussing it with her – she is clearly a loon who isn’t going to be persuaded.

Hopping on the clear pavement to get past is completely reasonable

Might be worth getting the video to the fuzz and insisting on a visit.

the cyclist completely overreacted first of all.

Really a bit of arm flapping and some swearing to himself mainly. It sounds more like he is the type of person who swears a lot . He is not swearing at her or calling her names. If you remove the swearing what does he say that is an over reaction? Its someway from an over reaction though it wont win him the Gandhi prize for non confrontation or non anglo saxon language usage.

All other things being equal, if I’d have been the woman and was faced with some gobshite bawling and swearing and pointing his flappy arms about then I’d have probably have yelled straight back at him too

He is not bawling is he? Look at her reaction form criticising his road position to claiming assault – really he is the bawling one?
so in that situation you would have opened your door to stop them and then moaned at their position in the road as being in the middle whilst you were completely on the wrong side of the road and blamed their road position – thank god only he over reacted eh ?
FWIW worth One drive your effing car and one rude word for bum hole [ hopefully not swear filter avoidance there not sure what to put mods] despite her frankly nuts behaviour about assault.

Had I been the car driver i would have just returned to my side of the road looking sheepish whilst apologising. Sometime we make mistakes when driving [ though this is clearly an intentional and deliberate act] when I am the one who did this I accept it is my fault and apologise. I dont flip the bird and get angry at the victim of my shit driving no matter how they react.

TBH I am bit confused by your post you blame him then accept she is completely wrong.

No wonder i never understand moderation on here 😉

What Cougar said.

It’s called a nuanced view JY – not everything is black and white you know. 😉

The woman is a complete idiot but him getting all sweary and wavy-army isn’t helping anyone.

The ‘good on you lad’ from the other driver gave me a little lol.