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  • Re-waterproofing a [n alpkit] jacket.
  • scruff9252
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    18 months ago I bought a ~£200 Alpkit waterproof which has seen light / occasional use. This winter it was starting to soak though and leak so I went into Alpkit to get their advice and walked out with a bottle of Nikwax.

    I have used this before with a washing machine to useless results so this time I thought I’d use a completely clean baby bath – no risk of detergents degrading the results. So 7.5l of warm water measured and into the bath alongside 150ml of the nikwax as per instructions. Hand washed and drip dried for 24 hours before a 30 spin in a tumble drier to “activate” it.

    Just hopped in the shower with the jacket over a t-shirt and…

    Not a single bead of water was to be seen. Jacket immediately soaked though and wet t-shirt inside 2 minutes. You can actually see where the water has seeped through the fabric.

    BillOddie
    Full Member

    Do you need heat to reactivate the DWR? Low tumble or Iron?

    simondbarnes
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    BillOddie
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    Do you need heat to reactivate the DWR? Low tumble or Iron?

    before a 30 spin in a tumble drier to “activate” it.

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    gravedigger
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    even if the DWR isn’t working the water shouldn’t be coming through the material if it is suppossed to be a waterproof material. The DWR just stops it wetting out.

    tourismo
    Full Member

    Had the same experience with my alpkit jacket. Washed several times with nikwax wash and the re-proofer. Water did bead but it still leaked. Wife has bought me a new Endura jacket so will see if this one is any better.

    grahamt1980
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    The membrane is dead, dwr won’t stop water going through the jacket if the membrane has gone, it just stops water soaking the outer face fabric which reduces breathability

    jairaj
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    If the membrane is dead can it replaced? Or is it new jacket time? 

    I have a light weight packable jacket, that leaks more than a sieve and is pretty much useless.

    grahamt1980
    Full Member

    New jacket time sadly. The only way to repair is replacing the fabric

    vlad_the_invader
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    Is it Goretex? If so, it should have a 5 year warranty…

    t3ap0t
    Free Member

    Had the same with my Alpkit waterproof, the balance model. Absolutely bobbins. Don’t know what membrane they use but it’s not effective.

    Went back to goretex for my next jacket. Beading isn’t amazing on that either but the membrane still keeps the water out except for the sleeves.

    prettygreenparrot
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    the membrane still keeps the water out except for the sleeves.

    That sounds like a not-waterproof jacket ☹️

    My original, first release, Balance jacket (plain black) is still going OK as far as I know. #1 child has it and has not complained. Though living in the SE maybe influences that.

    My second, probably 3 or 4 years old, Balance (bright orange) I noticed had leaked like a sieve through the hood for a couple of years now. Maybe even from the start as I mostly used it for riding and rarely used the hood then. Testing it under the tap, the hood is the only part that leaks.

    The third, bought [edit] before I discovered mine leaked [/edit] for #2 child [edit] dark grey[/edit], they complained leaked from the get go but they didn’t do anything about it. Similar to mine, hood like a sieve with the rest OK.

    [edit] added the colours as this might help some date the jackets better than my vague memory [/edit]

    When the membrane is obviously not waterproof the only option is to replace the jacket. Trying to ‘top up’ the DWR with wash-in nikwax waterproofing won’t do anything worthwhile.

    Sorry OP.

    If it helps, #2 and I replaced ours with coats from Showers Pass. An elements and a refuge respectively. These have passed the shower test and riding and walking experiences we’ve given them. Though, as folks will surely corroborate, cycling coats aren’t ideal for walking. They do suffice though.

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    BadlyWiredDog
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    Alpkit’s website says:

    ‘If one of our products does not meet your expectations upon delivery, or if during its lifetime does not live up to the demands placed upon it, please return it to us for repair, replacement or refund. If the problem is our fault then we will do this to your satisfaction. If it’s your fault then we will help out the best we can.’

    It also suggests that the guarantee – ‘Alpine Bond’ – is three years. If the jacket’s leaking, it’s not ‘waterproof’ and no amount of DWR treatment will change that. I’d go back to Alpkit and take it from there.

    prettygreenparrot
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    I’d go with @badlywireddog ‘s guidance.

    You also have your SADFART rights https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/reclaim/consumer-rights-refunds-exchange/

    Spin
    Free Member

    Had the same with my Alpkit waterproof, the balance model. Absolutely bobbins

    I got a Balance, used it for a week long, rainy bike tour. Got soaked within about 30mins every day and returned it when I got home. The lightweight trousers I got from them are not much better. Given that they seem to work for some people I’d suggest its a QC issue rather than the fabric just being rubbish.

    northernremedy
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    Same problem with alpkit jacket here. Totally wets out, year old.

    cynic-al
    Free Member

    Membranes wear out?

    Bah, I invested in a 3 layer Rab BC my previous 2.5L jackets delaminated

    AndrewL
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    My Alpkit Gravitas was pretty rubbish in terms of actually being a waterproof from new, I couldn’t be bothered with the faff of taking it back once used, it’s very light and works well as a windproof. I mainly got it so I had a light jacket with taped seams for passing kit checks!

    ransos
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    Wife has bought me a new Endura jacket so will see if this one is any better.

    I’m sorry to say that mine is absolutely useless. Pro SL. Soaks through even after cleaning and reproofing. It was a warranty replacement for a broken zip on the previous jacket, annoyingly that one kept the water out just fine.

    kingofhtefr
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    kingofhtefr

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    I sent a Balance (bought 2020) back to Alpkit for testing as it wetted out on the shoulders following re-proofing. It failed their testing and I was sent a newer version which was nice of them. Sent it back for credit.

    wzzzz
    Free Member

    I gave up on 2.5 layer jackets, they don’t last long, especially scrunched up in a pack and dirty most of the time.

    3 layer last much better.

    matt_outandabout
    Free Member

    IMO the new more sustainable DWR’s do pretty much nothing.

    It seems to me that the ‘membrane and a material’ approach relies on DWR for breathability, and the more breathable membranes seem to also rely on DWR for some waterproofing.

    So a poor DWR = poor waterproof.

    I have had a couple of jackets just ‘give up’ within a couple of years – the Pertex Shield Rab just basically gave up wherever there was contact (rucksack straps and back) and the Mountain Equipment Zeno (Drilite) did about 18 months and no attempts at re-proofing worked. We also had a Haglofs Proof jacket that just stopped after a year – I am not sure of the model.

    It does make me wonder a) what will manufacturers change to make things work again? b) what about Paramo – anyone noticed a drop off in performance? c) will things like Paramo and Columbia Outdry come to the fore?

    grahamt1980
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    The wash in dwr for paramo isn’t as good as it used to be. But I haven’t got wet in my paramo and it is a good 10 years or so old. I want the new velez smock but can’t justify it as mine is fine

    robw1
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    Take it back into the store and ask them for a refund or replacement. In my experience they are brilliant at sorting out issues. last year I had a probably with a draw cord on an insulated jacket which they offered to replace (i didn’t like the new colors) or fix in the store. I really liked their approach to solving customer service problems.

    scruff9252
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    Thanks all – not sure if I can be bothered with the hassle with going into the shop; no parking and a couple of busses to get there so a round trip takes all afternoon.

    Also last time I had a quality issue with another item of clothing their customer service was pretty dire. 

    Think I’ll likely just take this as an expensive lesson. 

    kingofhtefr
    Free Member

    Send it back to them at their cost and get Royal Mail to collect. If there isn’t a warrantee issue they’ll likely wash and re-proof it for you as a gesture of good will. Easy peasy.

    https://www.royalmail.com/track-my-return#/details/487

    MrSalmon
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    I have had a couple of jackets just ‘give up’ within a couple of years – the Pertex Shield Rab just basically gave up wherever there was contact (rucksack straps and back) and the Mountain Equipment Zeno (Drilite) did about 18 months and no attempts at re-proofing worked. We also had a Haglofs Proof jacket that just stopped after a year – I am not sure of the model.

    It does make me wonder a) what will manufacturers change to make things work again? b) what about Paramo – anyone noticed a drop off in performance? c) will things like Paramo and Columbia Outdry come to the fore?

    I’ve had a few ‘proper’ waterproof jackets and have done the Nikwax dance many times. IME they never get close to their original performance once the original DWR wears off.  I’m happy that my 7 year old Montane eVent jacket doesn’t actually leak, but it doesn’t really do a great job of keeping me dry for a wet few hours on the hill either. Every year I say I’ll try Paramo but haven’t pulled the trigger yet!

    Anyway, agree that in the OP’s case it sounds like it’s just defective.

    matt_outandabout
    Free Member

    IME they never get close to their original performance once the original DWR wears off.

    Agreed.

    But the new DWR’s seem properly rubbish,  bordering on snake oil….

    kingofhtefr
    Free Member

    A few years old now but explains why DWR’s might not be as effective as they were previously. Eco credentials are the priority these days.

    https://eu.patagonia.com/gb/en/stories/our-dwr-problem/story-17791.html

    chiefgrooveguru
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    Has Nikwax/Paramo DWR changed? I’m fairly certain it’s never had fluorocarbons in it.

    ditch_jockey
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    Nikwax was always pitched as the more eco-friendly option. I’ve been using it for years now – doesn’t last as long between applications as the factory applied DWR, but does the job. It’s been my experience that lightweight waterproofs really only have ‘longevity’ if they’re being used occasionally. Anything that’s seeing regular use needs to be a beefier 3 layer fabric to survive. My recent experience has been with Goretex Pro in 40d and 70d, both of which seem to be lasting well. I’ve tried Paramo in the past and not been impressed with it in terms of keeping me dry, but it definitely has an enthusiastic fanbase who swear by it. I’ve come to the conclusion it works by sympathetic magic – if you believe in it, it works 😀

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