Oops! Someone best phone social services….

JY makes good points.

i guess when you (JY) let your kids go off with other ‘responsible’ adults, you might want to have the conversation up front.

seems the majority of STW think that food choices are not important, but probably think differently about other comestibles & combustibles

is it more acceptable to take a five year old to slaughter a sheep with a knife if they are from a carnivore background, than a vegan one….. or is it something that the kids parents should be involved in (decision wise)

How can a child eating a hamburger be compared with drinking alcohol or taking drugs?

Depends on peoples beliefs and moral compass. What is important to you may not be important to others and vice versa.

Seems to be a worrying trend on the forum at the moment to casually dismiss the values and beliefs of others if they are different.

I can appreciate the fun in giving a consenting veggie kid their first burger, but I think the apparent failure to grasp that this might be important to the kids family is very disrespectful. Suspect a bit of keyboard warrior syndrome is involved though.

How is being a vegan a “standard”?

Is that a serious question?

Hora many folk were smacked as kids and now think it is wrong – using your logic they should smack their lkids and then let them decide?

FWIW i cannot , nor does any other parent, let their kids do things they think are wrong. We all have different things we think are right and wrong be it games age limits, amount of internet usage, eating junk food etc but we all make choices for our kids rather than let them do the things we object to and the let them decide to the “right thing”

you may as well say never let them exercise and let them eat shit and when they are older they can decide to eat well and exercise. …its a crap argument when applied to non vegan things as it is when applied ti vegan things

From my first post – do I need to make it clearer?

Yes.

Do you mean you would want the other parent to telephone you and then you would speak on the telephone to your child?

A comma or two would help as well.

Is that a serious question?

Yes. It is not a “standard”. That would suggest it is some way superior to eating meat.

is it more acceptable to take a five year old to slaughter a sheep with a knife if they are from a carnivore background, than a vegan one…..

What? Now they’re knifing stuff? Binners? You evil bastard!

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Seems to be a worrying trend on the forum at the moment to casually dismiss the values and beliefs of others if they are different

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the apparent failure to grasp that this might be important to the kids family is very disrespectful

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We all have different things we think are right and wrong be it games age limits, amount of internet usage, eating junk food etc but we all make choices for our kids rather than let them do the things we object to and the let them decide to the “right thing

you might want to have the conversation up front.

I have to obviously as many are confused about what it means.
they all know from school though.
I tend to send a packed lunch with my kids as some parents, even though they are nice [ or so i thought till this thread] are clueless about what it means.

Some go the extra mile one mother made a vegan B day cake for her son which i thought was OTT and one changed the activity – food related – to include a vegan option

How can a child eating a hamburger be compared with drinking alcohol or taking drugs?

As folk have said your moral code and theirs may differ. they are moral choices though the meat eaters seem to struggle to see vegan as one. I was just trying to use something that most parents would be morally against as an example as they are not getting the dont eat meat bit are they

Why can’t said V’s let their child decide too? Or is it a case of ‘we know whats best for them’?

Obviously once your daughter is over 16 you wash your hands of who she sleeps with and how quickly she gets knocked up? Maybe these things are not comparable to you or I, but that’s the whole point. Why should your weaker moral compass overule someone elses stronger one? I know of households who were fine with their kids sleeping around from 14. At what age Would you let your kid go and do anything they pleased as long as it was legal?

Why can’t said V’s let their child decide too? Or is it a case of ‘we know whats best for them’?

Yes, how dare we claim that we know what’s best for our kids?

Thinking about it, I’d be pretty annoyed if I found out too – not so much for the meat eating, but because it shows a lack of respect and a dereliction of trust. They trusted you to look after their kid, you deliberately did something they’d disapprove of.

Taking any kids to Macdonalds, especially not your own just makes you a tw_t. Had this been a fine steak story it would have been funny.

Junkyard – there’s a lot of pi$$-taking going on in this thread and we all love Binners cos he makes us laugh. I don’t think Binners meant for it to get taken seriously, we all need a bit of light relief in these challenging times.

I understand completely the points you’re making and that is obviously your right as a parent. We’re all making assumptions about childrens ages, we don’t know them so we don’t know whether the children in Binners care are able to make an informed decision.

We all have boundaries but they won’t be the same as the next person. That’s just how it is.

heheh.. good work

someone did a similar thing with my mate’s kids

one of them went into anaphylaxis as they were intolerant to much of the crap in the junk food, hence the family’s wierd eating habits

It was **** hilarious.. the kid’s such a spac now from the oxygen starvation so it’s the joke that just keeps on giving.. hours of fun watching him stagger about bumping into thing groaning and drooling..

we all call him zombie boy.. funny as **** 😀

They trusted you to look after their kid, you deliberately did something they’d disapprove of.

I’m glad some of you are responding this way, on reading the comments after the op I was starting to wonder if I was the only one thinking it was a bit off.

Why can’t said V’s let their child decide too? Or is it a case of ‘we know whats best for them’?

Fine, but what gives another adult the right to decide that someone elses kid should be eating meat.. (or gluten.. or dairy.. or nuts, or Enumber additives, or antibiotics, or preservatives, or carcinogens, or hormones, or questionable food products?)

If you take a diabetic kid to a sweet shop with his friends and they’re all tucking in.. of course he’s going to say yes please when you hold out a handful of colorful sweets. I guess you’re all good as long as you deliver them home without telling the parent and before the side effects kick in..

is it more acceptable to take a five year old to slaughter a sheep with a knife if they are from a carnivore background, than a vegan one…..

What? Now they’re knifing stuff? Binners? You evil bastard!

This is Manchester that we are talking about. Hora Jnr is already proficient with a 9mm and three forms of lethal streetfighting.

I’m glad some of you are responding this way, on reading the comments after the op I was starting to wonder if I was the only one thinking it was a bit off.

Nope, you’re not the only one. OP very disrespectful and untrustworthy.

Binnersjnr

Obviously you are joking about this but I don’t think it’s funny you boasting how clever you think you are, when really all you are saying is you don’t respect your friends choices. And are you not just saying to the kids, don’t listen to what your parents want because I happen to think they are wrong.

And if it means eating MacDonalds, the parents are probably right and you’re wrong.

I knew this would kick off!

I wouldn’t take a muslim kid to have a bacon sandwich after an event. If I knew I was looking after a vegan kid, I’d probably ask the parents.

To be honest, given how hard it is to find vegan food in a takeaway/fast food context* I’d imagine the parent knew full well what was likely to happen. At a guess, they aren’t that hardline and value their kid’s social experiences more than the strictness of their diet.

They may even be fine with their kids making their own choices, but if you really have a problem with meat then you can hardly be expected to cook it for your kids can you? So they would not eat it at home but let it happen outside home.

* and knowing Binners 🙂

And why the big over the top thing about being Vegans (or Level 5 vegans as you call it)? Are you frightened of people who are slightly different from you? Is there a whole family of Vegans living next door?

traildog – the vegan aspect was quite important in binners’ original post.

If he’d just said “I took some kids to McDonalds” then this thread would’ve just kicked off about the nutritional value of a happy meal rather than the ethics of feeding a kid something their parents may or may not approve of.

the children in Binners care

Doesn’t sound like there was much care going on.

As a parent of a vegan kid I’m obviously biased but even if we weren’t vegan and a well-meaning parent took my lad to McD’s, I’d be wondering what kind of numpties he was hanging around with.

C-G I know binners I have met him many times and yet somehow none of them have ever involved public houses nor pastry shops.
I must hold some sort of record in this respect.

How old are these kids anyway?

Lighten up Junky!

Without the comma, I read this as a call to, well, take a few slices off the poor ol’ bugger. Or force him on a diet or somesuch…

But I get it now.

I read this as a call to, well, take a few slices off the poor ol’ bugger.

Er yeah good luck with that one 😉

One day humanity will view religion Vegetarianism in the same way we view possession as a suitable explanation for mental illness or the flat earth or any other variety of anachronistic superstitious intepretations of reality that have no basis in fact

If they just sat at home or their places of worship and practiced and left me alone I would not care. Not only do they want to live by their rules they think I should as well

😉

the vegan aspect was quite important in binners’ original post.

I know, but he makes such a big thing about them being Vegan (level 5!) and tears of animals and shadows etc that it just shows a prejudice against someone who happens to hold slightly different views to him. That’s my point, what’s the big deal? They eat different food and have slightly different values. Who knows, maybe there will be more Vegan kids in school than meat eating kids if we let this carry on. Why be so arrogant that you think your way is right?

Prejudice or a literary device used to heighten the contrast between their views and the visit to Les Arches d’Or? Though TBH I’d expect binners would struggle to comprehend any dietary choice that exludes the entire Greggs menu.

They eat different food and have slightly different values

No, their parents do, and have decided that their kids must have the same.

4 pages of this and no one sees the obvious troll!!!

No one would let Binners near their kids!!!

Everytime I ride through a field of sheep and lambs I end up having a roast lamb dinner. Can’t help it. Mint sauce on just carrots wouldn’t be the same.

I know, but he makes such a big thing about them being Vegan (level 5!) and tears of animals and shadows etc that it just shows a prejudice against someone who happens to hold slightly different views to him. That’s my point, what’s the big deal? They eat different food and have slightly different values. Who knows, maybe there will be more Vegan kids in school than meat eating kids if we let this carry on.

Firstly, the “Level 5” thing is an old Simpsons joke.

Secondly, have you never read any of Binners posts on here before?

Incidentally, ever since the Caroline Aherne thread a few weeks back I’ve read all of his posts in the voice of Mrs Merton, maybe it would help if you do the same?

After that trip to McD’s I bet she gets the shits. 😆

To deny any child the chance to have a decent burger or bacon sarnie is tantamount to abuse anyway.

No, their parents do, and have decided that their kids must have the same.

Exactly as parents who want their children to eat meat do. Funny how, when it involves a vegan diet, it is somehow “brainwashing”, but wanting your kids to eat meat and dairy is not 🙄

I don’t think Binners meant for it to get taken seriously

Given his subsequent absence from the thread, I’m not sure I believe it even happened. Even binbins wouldn’t betray another parent’s trust in this manner, would he?

bigyinn – Member
To deny any child the chance to have a decent burger or bacon sarnie is tantamount to abuse anyway.

Sadly this is not an example of a good burger…..now 2:30am outside the local nightspot the delights of not only a burger but kebab meat too.

Exactly as parents who want their children to eat meat do.

Nope, I wouldn’t dream of saying to my kids ‘you must have meat’ if they didn’t want it – nor would I dream of saying to them ‘you’re not allowed meat’ if they did.

The key point in Binners tale is that the kid was old enough to express their own opinion about what they wanted and chose the maccy-d’s – beyond that point their parents opinion doesn’t matter a jot.