No time to pee (Bond spoilers)

Just come out… I’ve left in floods of tears!

James Bond is dead

Unbelievable

For 40odd years he’s always been there, being my/our hero.

The world is a different place now.

(my mum died 6 weeks ago 😢)

Sorry to hear that Ro5ey. I’d like to say that you’re being a wuss about Bond dying but after my mother died I was in floods of tears about a character in Coronation St dying. I’ve never watched Corrie!

I thought it was amazing, finally a Bond worth watching!

Seem it last week. Absolutely fabulous movie, great story, nice use of the Bond Universe and a cracking way to close the saga.

Finally seen it tonight, having avoided all spoilers.

Amazing film. So many nods back to previous films, some subtle, some not. Fantastic writing to pull it all together. Just the right side of too much at the end. It was dusty for a few moments. James Bond is dead, long live 007?

Saw it with LittleMissMC, almost 15, who has never knowingly watched a Bond film, and did know the ending. She loved it too, and came out wanting to watch a few more.

I’ve told her to expect to be disappointed, and to avoid Moonraker.

. She loved it too, and came out wanting to watch a few more.

I’d start her off on Spectre to get the back story for NTTD

Just stick to the DC Bond, the older films will likely be seen as relics by someone her age.

Just stick to the DC Bond, the older films will likely be seen as relics by someone her age.

Fair point.

Not a bond fan but was the only film on our ferry back from France so seemed a reasonable way to kill a couple of hours, on a positive note I quite liked the opening credits 😀

Utter drivel. When the sound lost synch with the film, I didn’t care. If there had been an interval, I’d have left. I was expecting the four year old to have been trained properly by her mother and have Bond pass her the gun to shoot the villain. But I guess that 4yo shooting adults doesn’t cut it with an American audience. What was the pool of acid with neon lights for? How many focus groups did the line “kill your race” pass through?

At least an old Toyota shows up the latest Land Rovers 😂.

Why didn’t his EMP watch disable the nonobots?

And his earpiece?

Just in from watching it. I really have no recollection of seeing it.
Still, there were comfy chairs, beer and it only cost £6.

I thought it was a great film although, as it is a work of fiction, there are always going to be things that jar slightly. Whether that be plot holes, the usual nonsense with car chases, almost impossible travel etc. The final notice at the end of the credits though suggests this is not the end of Bond….. Just remains to be seen whether the next films start with a ludicrous escape from destruction or whether the future Bond films are historic ie missions that happened while he was still alive.

The final notice at the end of the credits though suggests this is not the end of Bond….. Just remains to be seen whether the next films start with a ludicrous escape from destruction or whether the future Bond films are historic ie missions that happened while he was still alive.

yes obviously they aren’t just going to give up their billion dollar franchise! I don’t even think they’ll do anything clever or interesting, just a straight reboot with a new actor, back to business as usual. (Definite possibility of spin-off films/tv series on Amazon though!)

20 minutes in and I thought it was going to be rubbish. 40 minutes in I thought it was predictable and rubbish. 1hr in I was ready to leave.

Shame really as I have liked most of the previous DC films.

Are they really going to make his daughter the next James Bond? Maybe thats what it is…. maybe his daughter has a sex change to a boy and becomes the next Bond?

If they do have the next Bond as a female I will not be watching it

If they do have the next Bond as a female I will not be watching it

The Broccoli family (who IIRC have final say over everything) have gone on record to say this will never happen. Although, someone did once say Never Say Never 🤔

If they do have the next Bond as a female I will not be watching it

why’s that then? Worked for Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica. (to name two off the top of my head)

FWIW I think they’ll just pick another middle aged white and and carry on as if nothing’s happened, but I think Bond could work equally well as a woman.

why’s that then? Worked for Star Wars and Battlestar Galactica. (to name two off the top of my head)

Because James Bond is a character with a backstory (Dead parents / Avalanche / Scotland / Eton / Modern Languages at Cambridge, white, male etc.), it is not a code name that can be applied to anyone. A fresh re-boot of this same character can be done just as they have done before with Craig.

007 on the other hand is a code name and I’d be happy to see them use the 007 for any gender / ethnicity they fancy (like they have done), be that in the same films as Bond or their own films or TV series.

If they do have the next Bond as a female I will not be watching it

As an MI6 agent who’s cover appears to be “rich and well educated Brit with no job on a seemingly random globetrotting tour of high end hotels” and whose primary method of infiltration and information gathering is “seducing a member of the criminal organisation or their adult children”, a mid to late twenties female makes a lot more practical sense.

Because James Bond is a character with a backstory

Precisely; he is a fictional character. You can do what you like with it. Which is probably what the studio will do. Ignore the last 40 years and start again with some other actor, and really no one will care once they got over it. Why You could not do that with a woman in the role?

Are they really going to make his daughter the next James Bond? Maybe thats what it is…. maybe his daughter has a sex change to a boy and becomes the next Bond?

What a lot of piffle.

Am I the only one who came away thinking “James Bond is dead, long live 007”, whoever he or she may be?

Unless they decide it was all a terrible dream in a shower, obviously.

Am I the only one who came away thinking “James Bond is dead, long live 007”, whoever he or she may be?

End of titles it said “James Bond will return”, not “007 will return”.

Precisely; he is a fictional character. You can do what you like with it. Which is probably what the studio will do. Ignore the last 40 years and start again with some other actor, and really no one will care once they got over it. Why You could not do that with a woman in the role?

He’s a fictional character that has had the same backstory in 25 films (with different actors), and [insert big number] books with the same backstory (from several different authors). As a Bond nerd that’s a character I’m invested in. I don’t see why they would throw that all away just because it’s time for a new actor (again).

 I don’t see why they would throw that all away just because it’s time for a new actor

Oh, it’ll be a white middle aged man without a doubt. The Broccolis are too conservative to do anything else with the franchise. But there’s no reason why you can’t start with a woman, it’s interesting that you think that would be “throwing it all away” what difference would that make to the legacy of the franchise?

For me, I think it would be a bad idea to cast a female actress as James Bond because, well, James Bond is an established character. However, as they did with this film, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with creating other “00” agents that can be any gender and they can have their own back stories, their own style, their own vulnerabilities and their own character. They sort of did that with the Jeremy Renner “Bourne” film. Just a tad disappointing that they rode off the back of the Bourne name which felt a bit misleading but you can see what they were doing. Although, at the end of the day, these are just films / stories so not worth getting too worked up about it. 🙂

As an MI6 agent who’s cover appears to be “rich and well educated Brit with no job on a seemingly random globetrotting tour of high end hotels” and whose primary method of infiltration and information gathering is “seducing a member of the criminal organisation or their adult children

Yes, that is the character of James Bond. Bond is a man. His femaie bedding antics were tamed down in this film, in that the only woman he shagged was his girlfriend. The tables were turned on him by the women and it worked well IMO.

The character of James Bond should never be replaced by a woman. Yes , 007 can be whoever you want, be it in their own film or spin off series. But a Bond film ( and that is what they are) is about Bond, James Bond and should be something HE says in each and every film.

think it would be a bad idea to cast a female actress as James Bond because, well, James Bond is an established character a man

I don’t mind 007 being a woman, but it’s going to be quite some stretch for Q branch to make James Bond a woman.

I enjoyed it but 2 big questions for me are:
1) Bond and his watches have form- first thing a baddy would say is ‘can you take off ze watch Mr Bond’ surely?
2) As touched upon earlier how did a knackered Toyota out muscle all that brand new 4×4 technology

otherwise totally believable and my bladder lasted at 57 ( just….)

For me, I think it would be a bad idea to cast a female actress as James Bond because, well, James Bond is an established character. However, as they did with this film, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with creating other “00” agents that can be any gender and they can have their own back stories, their own style, their own vulnerabilities and their own character. They sort of did that with the Jeremy Renner “Bourne” film. Just a tad disappointing that they rode off the back of the Bourne name which felt a bit misleading but you can see what they were doing. Although, at the end of the day, these are just films / stories so not worth getting too worked up about it. 🙂

Basically this, I’m sure an expanded “Bond Universe” has crossed the Broccolis minds rather than relying on one big pay day every 5 years or so.

And why is all the “Female James Bond” nonsense popping up anyway?

Too many incell, culture war mutterings and linear thinkers seizing on the fact that some capable female characters happened to be in this particular Bond movie (there have been others before). James Bond is a character, 007 is just a number, even the film managed to make that point… Ultimately it’s all fictional, it’s not really that important.

As touched upon earlier how did a knackered Toyota out muscle all that brand new 4×4 technology

Did you notice how incredibly unbeat up it was afterwards 😂

As touched upon earlier how did a knackered Toyota out muscle all that brand new 4×4 technology

Two words: James Bond.

A female bond doesn’t work for me due to the history of bond, so a commander who’s been in special forces and so on. You’d have to change it all, so why bother with the franchise?

Not a slight against women doing this stuff, but they have to fit into the world they create, so bourne could do it, John wick could do it, as can many others, but it has to fit, otherwise it just puts off both sets of fans it’s trying to bring into the theatre

I saw it last night, and enjoyed it.  I did half expect that Madeleine would be killed during the first DB5 sequence with the OHMSS music was playing.  As ever suspension of disbelief was required to avoid massive plotholes, many of which have already been discussed, but overall a thumbs up from me

I think they will go down the hard reboot route, James Bond will return, all cast will be different, nobody will remember anything etc etc. JB will be 15 – 20 years younger again and off we go on a new set of adventures.

otherwise totally believable

It really wasn’t .

Enjoyed the film but the end was bollox. James Bond 007 is the character from a 1960’s book simple as that, it seemed to me the actor got bigger than the character and the studio bought into his importance, when he said he didn’t want to do any more bond movies they should have let him go. If the next one isn’t James Bond 007 I won’t bother but I assume it will be with some sort of reboot, or the explosions didn’t kill him but did jolt him enough to kill the nanobots 🤣

And I want a land cruiser, tbh if getting somewhere was a priority it would be a better choice than a new LR 👍

Watched it the other day, loved it!

Yeah the middle is a bit long and the baddy a bit weak. But the rest is pure gold. Great action, comedy, cinematography and music.

Could watch the opening half hour over and over.

👌

I can see a spin off using the female 007, but using her new 00 number (006?)

Could be good but not really Bond, I would still watch it.

I think they’ll go full reboot for the proper next Bond. Maybe have the next Bond would have a back storyline around Syria or Afghanistan. Maybe go really dark with the character.

And I want a land cruiser, tbh if getting somewhere was a priority it would be a better choice than a new LR 👍

I seem to remember people saying that if you wanted to head off on an epic journey, take a Land Rover. If you wanted to get back, take a Land Cruiser.

Daniel Craig has taken ownership of the role. I hardly think of the previous actors in it now.

If I never saw another 007 movie again, because they simply finished the cycle, I wouldn’t pine for new movies to come out.

I kind of felt there were many close camera shots of Craig that were there to drill his face into your memory, and the expressions he gave said it’s time to say goodbye.

Awesome, what a fantastic film!

I can see a spin off using the female 007, but using her new 00 number (006?)

Could be good but not really Bond, I would still watch it.

Same, I thought Nomi was great, there’s a spin-off series right there.

MGM are now owned by Amazon, so there could be some expansion with the Bond ‘universe’, the only problem is that there really hasn’t been any universe, it’s Bond movies and no real offshoot movies or series.

Nomi could lead a series, or even a film, but how do you build that universe, i doubt the likes of Ralph Fiennes or Naomi Harris would sign up to a series, they’re already busy enough, Ben Whishaw needs to keep himself open for another Paddington movie as well!

Unfortunately i just can’t see any real world building with Bond, it’s too old to change, and to be honest, any series or offshoot would only be compared and criticised.