Mounjaro, wegovy, omazpic…any experiences

FFS! Typed out along response and then the website did it’s thing and poof! It’s gone.

Those urging caution or not to use it. Be reassured I’m not doing it lightly and have been looking into it. I’m not happy that it’s come to this, but hope it helps. I was after peoples direct experience/knowledge of the medication, not yet another diet thread.  I’ve bought it,so will be seeing how it goes for the first month and take it from there.

I did the first jab this morning and can’t say I’ve noticed anything particular one way or the other so far, but only 4 hours.

I was already feeling a bit fatigued and thick headed from the start of dieting (2300/day max) anyway with a massive drop of water weight (2.1kg in 4 days). Been drinking loads and taking electrolytes. Gym Friday and this morning was noticeably harder with the deficit and failed a lift. We’ll see how it is once this ‘kicks in’, but I’m going to have to change it up somewhat to account for the energy.

See how I feel later today, but I wasn’t feeling particularly hungry after the gym, just tired.

Roast chicken dinner for tea and plan to have a small amount as I know most side effects come from eating too much volume, or rich & sweet stuff due to it slowing gastric emptying.

I’ll update how things go…

Good luck  bud

Sounds like the feeling I get in the first 48 hours of a full Keto diet. Fatigue, headache etc, and top-end power reduced on the bike. If it’s a similar thing, it does get better.

@longdog How you getting on? Lost 2 stone yet ? 😉

Oddly enough, no, but I have lost 5kg in two weeks, a big chunk in the first week being water weight and clearing out the system I’d guess.

Had two injections so far (3rd will be this Sunday) and had no side effects. The injections are a non-event the needle is so small you don’t even feel it.

I’m limiting myself to 2300 cals a day max and do get a bit hungry at times as I try to save plenty of my calories for my evening meal with family, but I’ve had no cravings for crisps/sweets/cake etc even when I’ve gone to the shops for bits we need or after the gym.

Talking of gym, that performance has taken a hit, but I’m just maintaining the intensity with a bit less volume. That’s hitting the ego a bit as before this my main lifts were progressing nicely.  Sadly reducing BMI also means they’re struggling and not increasing, but priorities…

At this stage I’m thinking I’ll get another month (dose should go up to 5mg iirc) and see how it continues.

Sounds like good progress to me, keep it up. 5kgs is good going.

Cut out the carbs and seed oils and eat beef, lamb, butter and eggs instead. It really is that simple bro science

eat beef, lamb, butter and eggs instead.

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Mr Lambchop, losing weight is simple as you say – that’s why civilised, intelligent people struggle with it and have done for many years, myself included.

However, this thread is not about dieting. It was not set out that way, nor should it be derailed by taking it down that road.

Apologies @longdog , but thanks for the update. All seems to check out so far as you say, with the expected ‘side effects’ associated in weight training.

Worth it for the end result I’d say. 🙂

Cheers most of you 👍

I’ll keep it updated and see if things change much when up the dose in a couple of weeks, as I expect I will.

@longdog how’re you getting on?

I am no expert on these injections, but i am T2 diabetic, so discussion of these injections has been all over T2 FB pages and forums for a long time.

Consensus seems to be that it does the job well, but that it can’t be the only thing, many place the weight back on when they stop them, and that there has to be a lifestyle move to go with it (not aimed at OP)

OP, if you doing it to try and get ready for medical assessment, i think you could probably bring down your daily calories to around 1800-1900 and wear a heart rate monitor, make sure then that you gym work and e-biking is mostly done in zone 2 so you’re working in that aerobic zone, and trying to use fat as the predominant energy source in the short term.

Like most diets nearly all put the weight back on or even more when they stop,  is this the stuff Sharon Osbourne is on?

If it helps me not fixate on food and change that mindset (as some have noted it does )  I’ll be very happy. I can’t bear to throw away food, or not finish what I’ve paid for if eating out.  Plenty have said the ‘food noise’ goes away and you’ve not got a constant drive for food, as it if retrains.your brain, and if it does I’ll be over the moon.

IIRC it works on the pancreas like dulaglutide so you don’t get that “hit” from eating sugary foods.  You still have to not eat them though but it might reduce the cravings if you feel the need to regularly snack.

Like most diets nearly all put the weight back on or even more when they stop

I know someone who’s been prescribed them for years because as soon as they stop their appetite just comes back with vengeance. Doesn’t help that even when on it they’re partial to multiple treats a day. So they’re basically stuck on them for life unless they develop the willpower to not shop in Costco.

Like most diets nearly all put the weight back on or even more when they stop,

There was something about that this week:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/slowly-coming-off-ozempic-wegovy-may-prevent-rebound-weight-gain

So health coaching and/or having an ongoing plan appears to be key.

Fascinating that it also apparently lowers risk of heart disease and stroke (regardless of weight loss) IIRC from the news this week?

I’m surprised at the frequent polarised views om this thread suggesting either drugs or diet. Both things can be correct.

The OP has made a well informed decision to try the drugs, good decision. But, as others point out, weight often goes back on when ending the treatment, so diet will be critical to maintain the weight loss.

For what it is worth, I have been following Keto diet for past 5 weeks and lost 8kg. Keto does work but I’m not for one second saying the OP is wrong to chose the path he has.

Well done OP for getting on with it! Losing weight is not easy, whichever path you take.

For what it is worth, I have been following Keto diet for past 5 weeks and lost 8kg.

it does work, but the bulk of the rapid weight loss in the early days is water, not fat, which if you stop keto and carb up again will come straight back!!

Well I wasn’t sure whether to respond to my latest shout out, but as there seems some more nuanced views I will.

When I last weighed on Tuesday I was 11.8kg / 26lbs down, BMI down to 35.6 I’m currently away from home as my mam’s in hospital so probably wont be able to update that until Monday.

I’m now on 5mg a week, due to take my 3rd 5mg when I hopefully get back home on Sunday/Monday. When I went up to 5mg I was ok for the first half of the week and then had the most horrendous shits day and night for several days, truly a nightmare disaster pants situation! Never had anything like it for so long! Nothing could stop it! We only have one bathroom so I had to hide a bucket and loo roll in the garden just incase someone was in when I need to go NOW! and again NOW!!

Thankfully that’s settled now. When I take my next dose I will be splitting it over the week to hopefully avoid that, so 2  half doses 4 days apart to avoid one big bit and then tail off (half life is 5 days). Half a dose is 30 clicks on the pen, full is 60, makes sense if you ever use one.

I’m still at a max of 2300cals a day, but been lucky to make 2000 most days unless I deliberately eat something extra before the gym. Exercise is push pull legs 5×5 plus accessories , and then whatever ebiking or hobbling about my knee allows. Not much of anything the last week though due to the disaster pants and now being away.  Obviously HR will peak at times in the gym, but walking and cycling is essentially at Z2 anyway due to keeping HR down with heart issues I have.

I’m still not craving food or hangrily tied to meal times like I was.  No cravings for sweets, crisps , biscuits, cake etc and have had no issue turning them down. Went to the pictures to see Fall Guy and had no snacks unlike family and was fine with that.

Other than that truly nightmare period of disaster pants it’s all going great. Planning to return to GP when my BMI is just below 35 to request re-referral to orthopedics for my knee. Losing 26 lbs hasn’t made any difference to it.

As for diet/ mounjaro rebound, obviously I’m well aware of the potential, and it’s the same with any ‘diet’. Also been looking into refeeding and reverse dieting to boost metabolism. Is the alternative not to lose weight?  And my diet for the 2000-2300 is not a fad diet it’s just normal healthy food in smaller portions and not eating the other crap. I’d say the biggest thing for me has been it killing the hunger, cravings and food noise.

Hope some of you find that update useful.

Sounds like it’s going well.

Yea the squits is a feature from what I’ve heard 😂

Edited reply – missed point of post! Ignore!

As for diet/ mounjaro rebound, obviously I’m well aware of the potential, and it’s the same with any ‘diet’. Also been looking into refeeding and reverse dieting to boost metabolism. Is the alternative not to lose weight?  And my diet for the 2000-2300 is not a fad diet it’s just normal healthy food in smaller portions and not eating the other crap. I’d say the biggest thing for me has been it killing the hunger, cravings and food noise.

Hope some of you find that update useful.

You don’t need “diets”, you don’t need keto, you don’t need fasting, or a “refeeding and reverse dieting (not even sure what that one is)”, you need a consistent, well thought out calorie deficit that is sustainable to you day in, day out.

All diets are simply you eating less calories than you your body needs per day.

Keto advocates will go on about them, but it is still just a calorie deficit, but it is a diet that is high in saturated fat, low in quality low GI carbs and low fibre, that it is not healthy even if you lose weight, and i’ll fight anyone on that argument!

Everyone is looking for the magic bullet, there isn’t one, eat less and eat well, move more, stay hydrated and keep the “treats” in moderation.

Appreciate the update OP, well most of it 😀

Glad to hear it’s doing the job for you.

You don’t need “diets”, you don’t need keto, you don’t need fasting, or a “refeeding and reverse dieting (not even sure what that one is)”, you need a consistent, well thought out calorie deficit that is sustainable to you day in, day out.

Everyone is looking for the magic bullet, there isn’t one, eat less and eat well, move more, stay hydrated and keep the “treats” in moderation.

Everyone knows this but people differ in their will-power/motivation to stick with a diet that has a calorie deficit. People aren’t all thinking an ice cream and a mars bar is 2 of your 5 a day.

At the end of the day human biology and basic instincts haven’t evolved at nearly the pace we have progressed as a species. The old hunter-gather lifestyle is a thing of the distant past for many people (and certainly a large majority in the UK and other developed countries). We’re also bombarded with cues about indulging and over-eating.

Whilst I agree there’s no magic bullet, these new drugs (if they turn out to be safe to consume over long periods) could be the answer some people need to keep their calorie intake under control whilst also succumbing to some of the indulgences of modern life. The alternative seems to be an ever-growing obesity problem, messaging about healthy eating clearly isn’t working.

Keto advocates will go on about them, but it is still just a calorie deficit, but it is a diet that is high in saturated fat, low in quality low GI carbs and low fibre, that it is not healthy even if you lose weight, and i’ll fight anyone on that argument!

I tend to agree that Keto is, for most people, not sustainable in a healthy way over a long period. I found it very effective at managing appetite and cravings during a few months last year, then transitioned into a ‘meat and four veg’ type thing for the longer term, with a lot more fibre and reintroducing carbs here and there, but at much lower levels than before.

There’s no one-size-fits-all diet, everyone is dealing with their own mix of hormones, metabolism and psychology/motivation.

The new drugs do seem almost too good to be true though. The holy grail is fooling the body into thinking that it’s stuffed to the gills.

my sis in law was paying for injections for a while, she lost a bit of weight, but not sustainably, I think her downfall was booze tbh

Im not sure its the magic bullet it seems and like every medication from paracetamol to chemotherapy, different people have different genetics and the effects will vary

Im not doing it down, just not be aware theres still effort required on the users part

You don’t need “diets”, you don’t need keto, you don’t need fasting, or a “refeeding and reverse dieting (not even sure what that one is)”, you need a consistent, well thought out calorie deficit that is sustainable to you day in, day out.

I agree, someone posted a James Smith video up there and in between all the shouting he does occasionally explain some good ideas.  e.g. start your calorie counting on a Friday.  There’s no point counting your weekly calories Monday to Friday then having a beer and treats at the weekend.  Count your weekend properly, then spend the week trying to work off the inevitable debt.

He’s also fond of pointing out that whatever it is, all successful diets boil down to a calorie deficit. Whether it’s intermittent fasting, keto, slimfast, raw foods, paleo, or anything else.

There is a magic bullet but is considered batshit by most people. Mainly because most people have no idea what they’re talking about and it flies in the face of what we have been told for many years.

The holy grail is fooling the body into thinking that it’s stuffed to the gills.

I think the problem is modern diet and life has killed normal satiety for a lot of people, add in  some work frustrations, family stress and money worries and eating healthily can be a problem that can be hard to cope with on those peoples day to day priorities.

These modern drugs look to take out that problem of satiety, bring people to normal levels that the shouty “just eat healthy” crowd already have.

I have been thinking about using them but also could do with perhaps talking to a councillor about the stress in my life.

I read an article in The Times magazine a few weeks ago and the conclusion from the sceptic author (who tried them and spoke to many specialists) was these type of drugs will be a game-changer for health.

They are at the very early stage in their development and the potential savings for healthcare could run into billions.

Thread over on snowheads:

https://snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=169416&highlight=

good work!

I’m still at a max of 2300cals a day, but been lucky to make 2000 most days

I thought it was supposed to suppress appetite/make you feel full? 2000 cals seems like a lot compared to most on it! How much were you eating before?!

I’m still at a max of 2300cals a day, but been lucky to make 2000 most days

I thought it was supposed to suppress appetite/make you feel full? 2000 cals seems like a lot compared to most on it! How much were you eating before?!

Blatantly 2000-2300 calories isn’t a lot FOR ME, otherwise I’d not have lost all that weight would I?  Everyone is different, maybe if you were a well built large framed guy you’d be losing like me on 2000-2300 a day? How do you imagine I’d be functioning if I was on only day 1600 cals, and how sustainable would that be? With the meds I’m comfortable at that level, and hope that when I’ve got to the weight I want I’ll be comfortable at around 2600 a day at that weight.

MSP I have previously done work with a therapist on my issues with food and exercise. It was very useful, but not a total ‘cure’,  though 54 years of issues wasn’t going to be an easy cure.

Refeeding is taking a day or two a fortnight while on a calorie deficit to eat at maintenance levels of cals (around 3000 clas for me) with higher levels of carbs to jig up the appetite hormones and metabolism.  Google and read Lyle McDonald if you want to know more.

Anyway no more diet discussion for me; that’s not why I started this thread.

Thanks longdog, keep up the good work and updates when you can, I am very interested to hear about your progress with this.

Thanks longdog – very interesting to hear your experience and it seems to be going well for you. Good luck

When I last weighed on Tuesday I was 11.8kg / 26lbs down,

That’s an amazing achievement in such a short time, even if it’s made little difference to your BMI  [so far] its still going in the right direction. well done!

Yes, well done on your progress to date, please keep this thread updated with your progress

Cheers folk 👍

All diets are simply you eating less calories than you your body needs per day.

No they are about using more energy than you are able to obtain from your food and calories are really not that good an indication of what energy any one individual can obtain from any particular food. Like BMI they can be useful but you do need to be aware of the limitations.

I’ve eaten a mainly plant based diet for near on 40 years. When I first thought why am I eating this shit aged 19 I really cut out totally all things like crisps, sweets and chocolate. After a good long period of that I found I could happily eat them occasionally but I can take them or leave them. A bar of chocolate can last me weeks. I really enjoy it still but don’t get cravings.

I think the great thing about these drugs is that they can give you a window to change your overall diet and make that shift a lot easier. If you don’t do that then you’ll probably need to be on them forever. It’s also important to think about are you eating enough good things rather than just fixate on if you are eating too many “bad” things.

I think the great thing about these drugs is that they can give you a window to change your overall diet and make that shift a lot easier.

This is the nail on the head for me! I honestly cannot remember a time in all my 54 years when I have not had thoughts of food at the forefront of my mind all the time along with non stop cravings. I’ve hated it and hated myself because of it. Only as an adult on my late 20s did I suddenly realise that when someone puts a plate of biscuits out they’re are just a selection  for if you want one, not something that you need to finish off or even eat at all. I’ve hated buffets or if I had to go to an all you can eat place with people for years because I know I just cannot get a sensible plate of food and leave it. I can’t stand wasted and left over food and would be that bin that dealt with it.

Unless this is you, you just simply cannot understand it.

With this injection the cravings have gone, the ‘food noise’ has gone, other than because of me thinking about food to plan ahead so that I can eat sensibly and healthy.  This is that window of time where the noise has gone and I can hopefully retrain my mind to lose those life long ingrained habits so that I can lose the weight I need, and then keep it off with a total shift in my relationship to food.

Yeah that is my thoughts as well.

Is it prescribed on the NHS in the UK?

Here in Germany I can only get a private prescription for it, and it costs about 300 euros a month. Si if I am on it for 12 months that would be 3,5k. Which is pushing the limit of what I can afford, worth it if I can carry on that lifestyle change afterwards, but that financial commitment does mean I really want to make sure.