losing a belly!

Feefoo, if you stick 5l of fuel in your car and it does 10km per litre then you would expect it to travel 50km, but what if i stuck 5 l in and 1 litre went straight out the exhaust, then you would only travel 40km and have to fill up. This time you stick in 1 litre because you think that you have 10km to travel and yet you only travel 4/5 of a mile so you are still short.

Thats how energy works in your body.

Also whats the point in talking about calories in and out as its a meaningless unit as no one can measure it unless in a controled environment.

If I eat 2000 calories per day and I use 2400 calories per day for say 6 months what will happen to my weight?

If you’re eating 2000 calories that are sourced entirely from sugar, the insulin your body produces in response will prevent you from accessing fat reserves so you’ll not be able to burn 2400 calories?

If you’re eating 2000 calories that are sourced entirely from sugar

I’m guessing that the statement I quoted:

it’s not how many calories you eat that’s the issue, it’s where they come from

wasn’t saying “don’t eat a diet that is pure sugar”

Clearly I was taking an extreme example, but the example holds at lower levels. Anything causing an insulin spike will inhibit burning of fat for energy.

Eat a sugary breakfast and then go for a fun. Your body will use the immediate blood sugar first, then start on the body’s glycogen stores. Result = no fat burned.

Go for a run as soon as you wake up, before eating anything, and the lack of insulin means that your body will burn fat to fuel the run.

Where your calories come from does count.

But over a prolonged period (like 6 months) your body will have to give up some of its fat as there’s no glycogen available.

It may not be comfortable but the result is weight loss.

Go for a run as soon as you wake up, before eating anything, and the lack of insulin means that your body will burn fat to fuel the run.

This is BS, no one has ever proved that theory.

But over a prolonged period (like 6 months) your body will have to give up some of its fat as there’s no glycogen available.

It may not be comfortable but the result is weight loss.

If you’re eating carbs, there’s glycogen available.

This is BS

That’s me told. Well argued 🙂

Bloody hell.

If you care to read on..

no one has ever proved that theory.

What you eat matters, even the folk on here must realise it. Apart from the usual argumentative types who like the sound of their own backsides.

If you’re eating carbs, there’s glycogen available.

Not when calories in are less than calories out over a prolonged period. Obviously.

What you eat matters, even the folk on here must realise it

Yes, but “matters” to what degree and for how long.

Eating only Snickers bars for 6 months would be a silly.

Claiming the body will not burn fat if starved of glycogen is also silly.

What you eat matters, even the folk on here must realise it. Apart from the usual argumentative types who like the sound of their own backsides.

What you eat does matter, but you could eat junk food all day and lose weight if you are under your TDEE.

You would be **** starving though, and not get anything of nutritional value.

What I don’t understand is that regularly on these Supersize/Superskinny programs… the skinny one often gets by on chocolate and sugary drinks. Often they’re consuming 2k calories worth. How does this work with the insulin model?

Lols SsizeSkinny the skinny one is usually a moaning end of a bell who refuses to try the other diet, kind of the point of the show. At the end the fat one has usually lost a bit say a stone or 2, the skinny one has put on 1 lb at best. You have to laugh.

Too true… I love it! The skinny one does often exist on sugar alone though.

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ating only Snickers bars for 6 months would be a silly.

I had a mate that used snickers bars for his calorie intake during the spring when he was tring to lose weight for the climbing season. He was pretty ripped and climbing well after a few weeks of climbing and eating 4 snickers a day.

TSY is trollin, again.

Anyway.
Mike, you’ve taken a bit of a bashing from Skywalker.
However, you are along the right lines and its SW who is full of it.

Reality is, its not black n white, it aint clear cut.

Whats fascinating is that the body has the capability to adapt as much as it can.
To the prevailing conditions wrt to the fuel sources available.

IIRC, this thread wasn’t started to see who is right.
The OP wants rid of his belly fat.
Theres any number of ways to achieve this.

If you fancy paying for some advice.
Contact Dave Smith.
Or if you fancy going DIY.
Do your research.
Listen to forum types at your peril.
Some will be right others are just full of shit.

Good luck and Good Night !
😉

I had a mate that used snickers bars for his calorie intake during the spring when he was tring to lose weight for the climbing season. He was pretty ripped and climbing well after a few weeks of climbing and eating 4 snickers a day.

He would be, a king size Snickers bar is only 220 calories. 880 calories a day is well below pretty much anyones BMR.

Like I said, you can eat what you want as long as you eat less than your TDEE, then you will lose weight.

Its not healthy though. You need to eat nutritionally dense low calorie foods to give your body the macro and micro nutrients it needs. Eating low calorie food will also keep you fuller for longer because you can eat a whole lot more of it.

Mike, you’ve taken a bit of a bashing from Skywalker.
However, you are along the right lines and its SW who is full of it.

Show me the evidence to back up the “exercising on an empty stomach will burn only fat” theory. Its nothing but a myth.

Its so funny no matter what you say on here, someone will come one to contradict you, usually with an anecdote about their mate.

My mate was able to drink rat piss 3 times a day (as long as you add a teaspoon of fairy liquid) and he put on 4lbs of muscle a day, he stopped after 2 years as he weighed 2000kgs. Fact.

Its so funny no matter what you say on here, someone will come one to contradict you, usually with an anecdote about their mate.

No they won’t!

I think the best thing you can do is find someone who has an approach to weight management that works for them and will fit in best with what you can do or deem acceptable to your lifestyle.

Personally I believe that exercising on empty in the morning does work. If you don’t want to do it or need some peer reviewed study before considering it… that’s great, choose something else for you.

TSY.

I hope theres still time for you to edit that….
😉

Oh dear

If you’re eating carbs, there’s glycogen available.

Not when calories in are less than calories out over a prolonged period. Obviously.

Er, not obvious, is it?

Glucose in + fat in + fat utilisaion from stores + glycogen from stores = calories out during + calories out afterwards

But that’s a gross oversimplification too.

Show me the evidence to back up the “exercising on an empty stomach will burn only fat” theory. Its nothing but a myth.

I’ve read many times that insulin inhibits fat burning for exercise. I didn’t think it was controversial.

I’ve read many times that insulin inhibits fat burning for exercise. I didn’t think it was controversial.

So if you eat something that doesn’t cause an insulin spike?

Like I said show me the evidence, which will be hard as there is none.

So if you eat something that doesn’t cause an insulin spike?

I think you would also be burning more fat.

Not got time to do a load of research, but this page has a bunch of citations at the end to add to its credibility

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/fat-burning-using-body-fat-instead-of-carbohydrates-as-fuel-40844

It says this:

A diet high in carbohydrate will suppress fat oxidation, and a diet low in carbohydrate will result in high fat oxidation rates. Ingesting carbohydrate in the hours before exercise will raise insulin and subsequently suppress fat oxidation by up to 35%(5) or thereabouts. This effect of insulin on fat oxidation may last as long as six to eight hours after a meal, and this means that the highest fat oxidation rates can be achieved after an overnight fast.

Then it also hedges its bets with this

The efficacy of [pre-breakfast] training for weight reduction is also not known.

I’m prepared to listen to your arguments but you’re going to have to do better than you have done so far.

Hey, here’s a novel suggestion.

Anyone considered a balanced diet?

Yes, of course. D’you think I’m stupid?

D’you think I’m stupid?

Well, that’s a whole new can of worms, isn’t it Molly? 😉

Go on, I’m all ears 🙂

Anyone considered a balanced diet?

Define “balanced”.

Honestly think that if you genuinely tried riding every other day as i’m suggesting and didn’t lose any weight, then you needed to ride more.

i simply fail to believe you can’t exercise yourself thinner.

Also ‘risk of over training’?

WTF?

I’m going to start a thread on over-training.

I want to hear people’s experiences.

Solo – did I offend you again you silly sausage? You should stand by your convictions and leave the abusive images that you post rather than editing with a lol cat. Have a 😉

I’m going to start a thread on over-training.

I want to hear people’s experiences.

Whellllll….

Until late September I will be doing three running sessions a week, and three circuits sessions a week with one day off. Some weirdo guru type is advising me on the running, but to be honest, I’ve never been sure whether to believe him, despite the pink bentley outside his house. But TSY, I will let you know how it goes. I think maybe the one-day-off thing means I’m not “over-training” though, does it?

Darcy – I have a special thread for such conversations…

Darcy – I have a special thread for such conversations…

Oh FFS, I’m not getting involved in another thread where you and Solo will be at one another again. 🙂 😉 😯 😐

😉 Solo 😉 doesn’t know about training DD.

I appologised to him the other day and he’s still not happy. 😥 😕 😐

i simply fail to believe you can’t exercise yourself thinner.

I wasn’t aware that anyone was saying that if you do lots of activity.
That your body won’t shed some weight.

However, I saw a cap in the gym the other day.
Old as the hills and heavy.
His movement was stiff and restricted, while he struggled to move weights.
Is he going to be able to be active enough to lose the few excess stones in weight, he was carrying ?.

I believe the concept that you must exercise to lose weight is flawed.
I think an individual should address their diet when they need to reduce the amount of accumulated body fat.
I also believe that they should exercise for the benefits this is recorded as providing.
Combined with resting often enough to allow system wide inflammation from exercising, to reduce.
To exercise strenuously, everyday, isn’t a good idea.
In my book.
Some might refer to this as….. ” over exercising / training “.

Solo doesn’t know about training DD.

I appologised to him the other day and he’s still not happy

**sighs**

I can not advise someone with specific instruction for training.
I’d respectfully refer that person to Dave for that.
Pay loads for a bike ?.
Well, pay a little for some professional advise which could last you a lifetime.
😉
Here:
http://www.ffflow.com/flow.html

Apologies:
I’ve not read one and couldn’t give a tinkers cuss.
Apologies from some types are as hollow as they are.