London fire brigade strike

Threatening to strike on bonfire night ffs how very sad

Oddly enough bonfire night is never the busiest night anyway

Oh that’s why they chose bonfire night then, thanks for clearing that one up 🙄

I’m sure you’d be happy with being sacked and re employed on a new completely different contract in whatever your line of work is would you?

TBH, they should all be sacked. Typical (left wing) Union behaviour – I really hope no one dies due to there irresponsible actions

its an obvious night to go for, maximum publicity and media exposure!

Oddly enough bonfire night is never the busiest night anyway

+1

and why do we celebrate a failed terrorist?

Dickbarton – your right i didn’t want to strike, don’t agree with striking and didn’t vote to strike, however i also don’t beleive in bullying an entire workforce, lying to the public, and going out of your way to inflame a situation that could have been resolved, and so as a signed up union member i will adhere with the majorities decision and withdraw my labour when required, but i won’t be picketing, if we are not locked out of our stations, which i beleive we will be then i would have hung about in case or rather when Asset co. royally **** up.

And as previously mentioned bonfire night is rarely busy, in our area mainly because the council work with us to identify and remove anything dumped that could be torched, identify shops that are hording or suppling illegal fireworks and alot of community awareness in schools etc. It’s no wonder we don’t have time to play pool and watch porn these days!!

its an obvious night to go for, maximum publicity and media exposure!

And shows how irresponsible they can be. Now priests are planning to stike over Christmas

priests schmiests, what if santa went on strike!

Bazz i didn’t want to strike, don’t agree with striking and didn’t vote to strike

Great system you’ve got going on, I hope you’re never in need and someone walks past you

Sounds like another power struggle between militant union leaders and the management with the firefighters and the public as pawns. I think the OP should grow some balls and not go on strike if he isn’t in support. The firefighters never do themselves any favors by striking like this, and from what I can gather the compromise being offered by management is not unreasonable. Certainly not offering my support to you.

Lanesra – what exactly do you mean by that partial quote?

djglover – suit yourself, but i can ensure you, and can honestly say to you that the fire and rescue services in this country are only as good and effective as they are because of the constant work the fire brigades union put in to combat constant attempts to cut budgets that would have a direct impact on the training we receive and the equipment we use.

i can ensure you, and can honestly say to you that the fire and rescue services in this country are only as good and effective as they are because

You aren’t much use to me if my kids burn to death on the 5th of November

compromise being offered by management is not unreasonable

sign or be sacked? good compromise that……..

A technicality, if its a change to terms and conditions you need a new contract.

You aren’t much use to me if my kids burn to death on the 5th of November

+1

I wonder what bollox the unions would spout if (God forbid) something does actually happen as a direct consequence of fireman choosing to strike on bonfire night

djglover – suit yourself

I think he is very much suiting himself……..by completely ignoring the fact that the decision to strike, was not made by the “militant union leaders” as he alleges.

djglover – regrettably true, and the only defence i can offer you is that as well as being a firefighter i’m also a worker, father, taxpayer and human being, i should be able to go to work in reasonable conditions without the threat of the sack for not agreeing to a new contract that will detrimentally affect my life, and the constant bullying that has become commonplace in the LFB.

Can I ask god forbid if you did have a fire in your home how quickly in minutes would you expect a fire appliance to arrive at your home?

djglover – regrettably true, and the only defence i can offer you is that as well as being a firefighter i’m also a worker, father, taxpayer and human being, i should be able to go to work in reasonable conditions without the threat of the sack for not agreeing to a new contract that will detrimentally affect my life, and the constant bullying that has become commonplace in the LFB.

Well I’ve never worked in an industry where I have a such a profound effect on the life and death of those that I serve, but I have been part of a unionised workforce that has negotiated pragmatically for changes in terms and conditions. As a result I had to work Saturdays, but I am grown up enough to understand that customers and markets change. It would appear that you are stuck in Victorian times

How convenient, that the militant leaders are strong enough to cajole the workforce into agreement to strike over a technicality. As far as I can gather the LFB are acting legally… and the strike appears to be over weather the union view section 188 as legal or not, no one on here knows what delaying tactics the union chiefs used to get to this situation, but I’m sceptical

Can I ask god forbid if you did have a fire in your home how quickly in minutes would you expect a fire appliance to arrive at your home?

Why do you ask that? What are you inferring, that you really aren’t needed to be on duty in the numbers that you are, due to fire prevention technology? Mmm 🙄

You answer the question with a question?

again….how quickly in minutes would you expect a fire appliance to arrive at your home?

5

How convenient, that the militant leaders are strong enough to cajole the workforce into agreement to strike over a technicality.

You people always say this WHY? As Even with a vote you think they manipulated people to act and is uppose if they dont vote they manipulate people into striking. You cant have it both ways.

You aren’t much use to me if my kids burn to death on the 5th of November

Nor if it happens at some date in the future and they lack the resources to respond.

Not knowing where you live but under current management proposals to close/redploy stations if you live in a “low risk area” it can take as long as 25 mins for the first appliance to arrive. I don’t think that it should be post code times but its the “future” apparently.

Fit a working smoke detector or 2.

Not knowing where you live but under current management proposals to close/redploy stations if you live in a “low risk area” it can take as long as 25 mins for the first appliance to arrive. I don’t think that it should be post code times but its the “future” apparently.

its already a postcode situation for most of the country! I might get a pump here within about 15 minutes assuming there are sufficient crew available to respond to their pagers (they don’t always). If not it will probably be more like 25-30 minutes. I’m not exactly rural. If they had a permanent crew based at the nearest station it would be less than 10 minutes – but I’m not niave enough to believe that I can get this without it costing me more in tax.

Have we still got any Green Goddesses?

Yes, but no-one left in the Armed Forces to put in them…

All the best Baz and Co,striking is the last port of call been there done that and thankfully for us the CWU ended up with a bigger say in the modernisation of Royal Mail with the people that are having to leave ending up with very good deals and fulltime staff staying fulltime.
Still not perfect @ work but its a lot better without the harresment,unachievable workloads and bullying and threats to our pay and conditions.Union membership in the CWU is rising as people are realising without them you are sitting ducks for mangement
The deal we struck would have never come about without mediators chosen by both sides to look @ both sides concerns so its probably what you guys need.
Management will lie and decieve with Murdock and his puppet government of choice helping willingly to smash any unionised workforce.

Good luck and stay strong and take what some of these keyboard warriors on here say with a pinch of salt but never forget ONCE A SCAB ALWAYS A SCAB!

Red Rich! 😉

Threatening to strike on bonfire night ffs how very sad

This mentality really annoys me – the whole point about strike action is to show how important your job is to society at large – hence air traffic controllers going on strike in the summer holidays, etc.

The responsibility for deaths and serious injuries that are fire-related in the London area on Bonfire Night falls on those people who caused those incidents in the first place.

The responsibility for deaths and serious injuries that are fire-related in the London area on Bonfire Night falls on those people who caused those incidents in the first place.

True – although even Ian Leahair has said if there were deaths he would “have to examine his conscience”

http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2010/10/handling-my-first-breaking-news-story.html

So I take it no-ones concerned if we have deaths year on year due to cuts in cover?

What is the strike actually about? Isnt it just a slight change in shift patterns? How long have the negotiations been going on?

So I take it no-ones concerned if we have deaths year on year due to cuts in cover?

db: shift changes from 9/15 to 12/12 does not = cuts in cover now does it….

Not knowing where you live but under current management proposals to close/redploy stations if you live in a “low risk area” it can take as long as 25 mins for the first appliance to arrive. I don’t think that it should be post code times but its the “future” apparently.

Was going on the above quote from bruneep who appears to be a fireman.

I was asking for information/clarity – so sorry for asking.

I find myself agreeing with djglover 😕 so a lightening of the mood must be required.

bravohotel9er – Member

Have we still got any Green Goddesses?

Well my brigade currently has plans to shut 12 stations and open a new one. Get rid of 15 pumps. Reduce cover in a further 12 stations to day only nights covered by pager cover. Also terminating the contracts of all retained firefighters.

This is all in the next two years and they have told us this already so god knows what else is in the future. Apparently it won’t affect cover tho. And turn out times have already been withdrawn as we wouldn’t be able to meet them anymore

As has the equality targets as we aren’t recruiting for at least 5 years and so wouldn’t meet those govt targets either

Btw we have already had our hours changed and accepted it but this has left us open to these further reductions in service

Even more confused now, firemen on here claim that services are being cut, Stoner says it’s just a change in shift patterns and no cuts to service/cover.

We have two years to make 25% savings