Joe Biden does a Trump

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As a president disappointing but soon he’ll just be a Dad.

I can forgive this act as a president but if he’d let his son rot at Trump’s pleasure? As a Dad?

Totally unforgivable.

Biden did the right thing in a messed up situation.

The world isn’t black and white. It just isn’t.

Not for me! The role of President with responsibility for the safety and welfare of the nation trumps(sorry) that of being a dad.

Is that suppose to somehow justify what he has done?

He doesn’t have to justify it. He’s just exercised the fully legal right of a departing president, just as many other presidents, democrat or republican, have done before him. Those in the media who did their bit to get a far, far worse creature elected, both by downplaying Trump’s corruption and holding Biden to an entirely different standard, now get what they wanted, which is at least four years of highly newsworthy chaos. Let’s hope they’ve all done enough win favour in Washington and to keep themselves out of the crosshairs of Kash Patel’s FBI, or Pam Bondi’s DoJ.

He doesn’t have to justify it.

That’s not the issue though. The issue isn’t that Biden needs to justify it for his son to receive a pardon, he clearly does not have to.

The issue seems to be that a great deal of people, many of them either Democrat politicians or Democrat supporters, feel that it is wholly unjustified, whatever Biden might or might not say.

I suspect that the person most chuffed by it is probably Donald Trump.

Many people, and I include myself, struggle to understand how Donald Trump won the presidential election so easily. This latest stroke by Biden probably provides a little insight. At least Trump doesn’t pretend to be anything other than an arsehole.

At least Trump doesn’t pretend to be anything other than an arsehole.

This is indeed true.

I think history will be the final judge on Biden.

Biden’s an old guy now. I’m not sure how long Hunter’s sentence could be? Particularly if it becomes a political weapon to kick his father in the nads with.

Biden likely doesn’t want to meet his maker knowing his son is locked up. Sure, he could have “won the argument” by not pardoning him but on a purely human, emotional level? I totally get it.  I think history will understand it too in all honesty.

To carry that to your grave, you’d have to be made of granite not to blame yourself for what your son is going through.

I’m not presidential material (!) but I know I wouldn’t be happy taking my last breath with that guilt hanging over me. He’s already lost 2 children hasn’t he? I can’t imagine that.

If also be telling my son that he just had lifes one and only get out of jail free card and he better spend the rest of his life earning it.

The guide rails that held the Democrats and Republicans in line are gone. We can no longer rely on the ‘good chap’ rules that helped all sides stay within acceptable boundaries.

The most likely explanation, that he’s just saving his son, is of course the likely one.  But I almost wonder if someone with a bit more political intelligence has encouraged him – because it WILL cause outrage across the political divide, and perhaps that will be a catalyst for future legislative constraint on what the president can do?

I’m not sure how long Hunter’s sentence could be?

Wasn’t even certain to get a prison sentence.

The likelihood that Biden is sentenced to prison is “pretty low,” said Jeffrey Brown, co-chair of Dechert LLP’s enforcement and litigation practice, who previously served as co-chief of the general crimes unit in the Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/06/11/hunter-biden-guilty-whats-next-six-questions-00162718

And if that was really what worried Joe Biden he could have simply commuted his sentence.

He could also commute any prison sentence that his son receives, leaving the criminal conviction intact while sparing his son time in a federal lockup.

He doesn’t have to justify it. He’s just exercised the fully legal right of a departing president, just as many other presidents, democrat or republican, have done before him.

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Commuting the sentence could certainly be considered a happyish compromise. Well, it would still be viewed negatively and positively depending upon held views of mortality or political persuasion. Perhaps his judgment is that a full pardon is likely to be more Trump proof in some way and carries little extra political liability than a commuted sentence does.

Interestingly, Clinton pardoned his own brother back in 2001 and who remembers that? Hell, I only know because it’s in the link you posted.

In January 2001, on his final day in office, President Bill Clinton pardoned his brother Roger Clinton Jr. for a 1985 drug conviction.

Perhaps we’ll never know Biden’s personal motives (other than the obvious, of being his father) or political calculations. Whether history judges them and him harshly, or even remembers them, is also another question.

meh.

Either way, in a couple of weeks this will be a long forgotten footnote – the only difference would have been whether hunter Biden was in Jail or not.  It;s going to make zero difference to the democrats in four years after all the nonsense that Trump has/will get up to.

If I was Joe, would I trust trump not to use him as a political football for the next 4 years?  No.  I’d take him off the chess board completely.

I think he’s done the right thing

How can the world trust the words from US President?

Its’ not a question of trust any more… We all know Trump is a very evil person.

Love the moral outrage and cries of “it’s opened the floodgates for trump”, trump doesn’t need the gates opening for his 2nd attempt at draining the swamp

All copied from Twitter, I don’t think there is one trump cabinet pick that is not a complete lying sack of foul smelling shit……….. yeah but hunter…….?

Kash Patel, Donald Trump’s pick to run the FBI, has repeatedly hawked “detox” supplements that can supposedly “reverse” the Covid-19 vaccines, promoting the kits in a series of Truth Social posts that spread false claims about vaccine safety and “shedding.”

New: Recordings from private autism meetings show Trump HHS pick Robert F. Kennedy Jr. conspiracy theorizing about agencies he’s set to lead. Videos show RFK Jr comparing CDC vaccine programs to “Nazi death camps” & calling for researchers to be jailed

So Biden is corrupt for pardoning his own son, who had been specifically targeted for crimes that normally wouldn’t make it to a national spotlight, but Trump is *not* corrupt for pardoning his son-in-law’s father, Charles Kushner, and now appointing him ambassador to France?

And this is the same man who plans to pardon all of the January 6th traitors who beat up police officers and tried to steal an election?

Do we have that all correct?

#MAGAlogic

I can’t be bothered to read all the posts, but my feeling is that the American constitution with its so called checks and balances is looking more ridiculous by the day.
At some point, someone will talk about reform.

On the charges he’d been accused of 37 years is the max across the gun and tax ones.

Even Carter pardoned 566 people, plus 200,000 draft dodgers. I wonder if that includes the Orange Shit Gibbon?

Clinton pardoned his own brother back in 2001 and who remembers that?

A lot of American voters I suspect, including probably many people who, for whatever reason, feel alienated by establishment politicians and voted in a manner which stw doesn’t approve of. I think Bill Clinton presidential pardons were fairly controversial, as was much of his presidency.

Love the moral outrage and cries of “it’s opened the floodgates for trump”, trump doesn’t need the gates opening for his 2nd attempt at draining the swamp

Whose moral outrage is this…… that of Democrat politicians and anti-Trump publications?

Democrats left fuming over Biden’s decision to pardon his son — after he repeatedly said he wouldn’t

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/02/politics/biden-allies-disappointed-pardon/index.html

The issue seems to be that a great deal of people, many of them either Democrat politicians or Democrat supporters, feel that it is wholly unjustified

Politicians argue with each other shocker. I’ll bet money that many of the folks expressing ‘shock’ and ‘disappointment’ and on and on are either listed in newspapers as “aides, or advisors” or “staff close to” or just folks who just want to put the boot into the dying embers of the Biden administration for reasons known only to themselves, and this is the obvious vehicle. I’m willing to bet money that Biden discussed this with the upper-echelons of democrat politicians who he thought would need to know about it. Nothing in US politics happens in a vacuum after all.

Anyway, Trump will, no doubt pardon all sorts of assorted arseholes, near-do-wells, scallywags and pickpockets (like he did last time), when he does, he’ll reference Biden (because; obviously) and you can get all hufty about it again.

Politicians argue with each other shocker.

Is that what it is…….. Democrats expressing dissatisfaction with what Joe Biden has done (after repeatedly saying that he wouldn’t do it) is exactly like politicians from different political parties arguing with each other?

I am impressed with the level of spinning that stw is sometimes capable of!

I am impressed with the level of spinning that stw is sometimes capable of!

Almost as impressive as your level of expressed faux surprise and naivety, as a way to keep political threads churning over,  It’s a winning combo, fo’shure.

How can the world trust the words from US President?

Sorry, was anyone trusting the words of the US President? Any names and addresses? I have a great deal they may be interested in.

On the current hoo has – Biden is no longer relevant for the Democrats. They have to move on and refocus, and it will be no problem to put his pardon in the same bucket as his senility.

Whose moral outrage is this…… that of Democrat politicians and anti-Trump publications?

Democrats left fuming over Biden’s decision to pardon his son — after he repeatedly said he wouldn’t

https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/02/politics/biden-allies-disappointed-pardon/index.html
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Not one person mentioned by name, if they were that outraged they’d open their mouths in public otherwise STFU, and CNN?….c’mon Ernie…..I thought you were better than that.

Almost as impressive as your level of expressed faux surprise and naivety

I am not claiming any level of surprise. On the contrary I am not in the least bit surprised.

There is very clearly something deeply wrong with US politics if Donald Trump managed to get the majority of voters to vote for him.

I would suggest that part of the problem might be Democrat politicians. And I am not sure that the “nothing to see here it’s all completely normal” attitude to the latest example of hypocrisy and lies is the way to deal with it.

Not one person mentioned by name

What are you talking about? The CNN article gives the names of Democrats who have expressed their dissatisfaction, and other US news providers have too.

c’mon Ernie…..I thought you were better than that.

Better than what? No idea what you are talking about.

because it WILL cause outrage across the political divide, and perhaps that will be a catalyst for future legislative constraint on what the president can do?

Not with the maga party. They will just try and make sure only their president gets in and hence needs no restrictions.

Forget about the charges Hunter had against him as they were the low hanging fruit. I would say he was pardoned to protect the whole Biden family.

https://oversight.house.gov/landing/biden-family-investigation/

Yes I know that this is a republican backed investigation and yes “Trump has potentially done the same sort of things” blah blah blah

BUT…if even a small part is true then Biden when he was vice president was up to some incredibly dodgy dealings along with Hunter.

BUT…if even a small part is true then Biden when he was vice president was up to some incredibly dodgy dealings along with Hunter.

As always, Snopes is your friend, and if you CBA to read it, here’s the bottom line from Snopes

There is no evidence to suggest that Joe Biden, or the Biden family, received money in exchange for political actions. That fact remains unchanged despite the inconsistent and logically incongruous assertions of evidence presented by both Grassley and Comer, as well as Giuliani. 

Biden hasn’t done a Trump (heh).

He gave Hunter a pardon to protect him against a Trump pick for FBI director who spent the last 4 years obsessing about going after him again.

And he gave him a pardon. Trump would’ve sold it to him.

BUT…if even a small part is true then Biden when he was vice president was up to some incredibly dodgy dealings along with Hunter.

Isn’t that the thing where the Republicans – James Comer –  spent a year trying to find dirt on the Bidens and came up with nothing?

Just shows how deep the dark state runs.

As far as I could make out, James Comer was desperate to find something in order to please the big boss, but abjectly failed.

I did just indeed read it. Interesting. I’ve never heard of Snopes but a brief google of who set it up, their political persuasions and the list of democratic candidates they have “fact checked” rumours for, leads me to believe that they may not be entirely trusted either…..

who can you trust ?  ?…………

the list of democratic candidates they have “fact checked” rumours for, leads me to believe that they may not be entirely trusted either…..

It could be of course that the disparity between Republican claims and Democrat claims isn’t due to bias, but lack of examples?

It’s interesting that most of those Democrat lawmakers who are criticising this in the CNN piece above and in coverage this morning, were also among the first to call for Biden to step aside back in July. Almost as if Biden has opponents and allies within his own party.

It’s foolish to expect a party only marginally to the left of the Republicans to be sitting on some kind of squeaky clean moral high ground. The party is awash with backroom deals, and people jockeying for position ahead of the midterms and 2028. Biden is finished, obviously, and this offers an opportunity for Democrat politicians to move away from him.

Even Biden wouldn’t have got where he did just by being a nice bloke and hanging around the Democrat convention, he’ll have been making deals and making moves against his opponents the whole while.

The timing of the Patel nomination and the pardon are directly linked. Trump has signalled that he intends to pursue his opponents, real or perceived, to the ends of the earth during his second term.

One of my very favourite American, Jon Stewart:

https://x.com/TheDailyShow/status/1863940397900214359

I think that Biden’s lost the plot.

It’s interesting that most of those Democrat lawmakers who are criticising this in the CNN piece above and in coverage this morning, were also among the first to call for Biden to step aside back in July. Almost as if Biden has opponents and allies within his own party.

They were right then, and they are right now.

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Let’s hope they’ve all done enough win favour in Washington and to keep themselves out of the crosshairs of Kash Patel’s FBI

a bit of a side bar re Patel. Trump’s ‘appointed’ him but there’s no vacancy. Trump’s appointment from his last term is still there because it’s a post with a 10 year term.

I didn’t realise Stewart was back doing the Daily Show! Ace, can we watch over here?

Anyway, the point his is missing is… yes the Democrats said they were the party to protect the legal system, and they said they believed in the legal system, and that’s why Biden’s son had to face the courts and the law… but here’s the rub… THEY LOST… and Biden isn’t going to trust Trump to protect the legal system from next year, he’d be utterly naive to, and he should get his family out of the path of what’s coming if he can.

Trump’s appointment from his last term is still there because it’s a post with a 10 year term.

Trump has already sacked one FBI Director, 10-year terms are not even a passing thought with him. I’m not sure any FBI Director has reached the 10 year mark since it was introduced, although only Clinton and Trump have actually fired one.

I’m not sure any FBI Director has reached the 10 year mark since it was introduced

J Edgar Hoover held the job for 48 years (1924 to 1972) and would probably have been in the job even for longer if he hadn’t died in post. 🙂

Indeed… It’s a messed up situation.

Why should Biden get into trouble when Trump as apparently got off Scott free for…

.. Let me check my notes.

Rape

Financial fraud on a massive scale

Election fraud

*this list is not exhaustive.

Is it, that if the republicans commit crime its OK, but if the democrats do it, it’s only then it becomes illegal?

Indeed… It’s a messed up situation.

Why should Biden get into trouble when Trump as apparently got off Scott free for…

.. Let me check my notes.

Rape

Financial fraud on a massive scale

Election fraud

*this list is not exhaustive.

Even just more narrowly – having a sone whose purchased a gun whilst addicted to drugs (seen here modelling  golden AR15 with a chainsaw bayonet)