- How heavy are your 140/150mm full sussers?
My SX was put in a diet big time last summer. At one point it was just over 37lbs. In terms of cost:
I ditched the Z150’s for the 36’s (£200 from STW)
Diabolus cranks swapped for Atlas AM cranks (£40 from STW)
Blackspire DS1 swapped for E13 LG1 trail chain device (£100 from CRC)
Azonic A Frames swapped for Superstar Nano’s (£43 from Superstar)
NS Bikes hubs on EN321’s swapped for Easton Havoc wheels (£365 from CRC, half price a sale)
Maxxis High Roller tyres swapped for Hans Dampfs (£60 from Bike Discount).
The pedals, cranks and chain device shed a fair bit of lard as did the forks but the wheels and tyres have made the bike feel much more lively to ride.Posted 4 years agovinnyehSubscriber
I’m no weight weenie, but I have some spare time, and google 🙂
Firstly, you’re on a 29er, so some components will be inherently heavier-you’re not comparing apples with apples
Wheelset 2350 g, according to the manufacturer. That’s over a pound heavier than the pro2/flow 26 wheelset, and the alloy Havens in 29 are about 1750g -that’s 1.5 pounds.
Ditch the Reverb, that’s 250g saved
Higher spec brakes and lighter rotors, another 250g
Cassette, 150g by going to xt
29er forks, probably 150g heavier than the equivalent 26
Saddle is 325g could easily lose 100g without going to a racing saddle
Cranks, another 150g by going to xt
Carbon bars save 100g
Tyres, same in 26 will be 100g less.
Now that’s a saving of around 4 pounds, some due to you riding a big wheeler, some due to lower spec components, but without spending anything too high end as a replacement. Probably a typical DIY build, with the exception of dropping the reverb. More to be lost too, go to 1×10, change the grips, stem, maybe headset and pedals.Posted 4 years ago
Trouble is when you buy a bike it’s expensive to lose weight by upgrading, it’s a lot cheaper to spec it at the build time.mindmap3Member
Wobbli. I can’t see too many places to save weight there without spending crazy money.
Your wheels will be the single biggest gain.
What does the saddle weigh? That cassette will be quite portly too as will the cranks and stem. But it’s not going to be huge gains there.Posted 4 years agozerocoolMember
Stock small Covert 26 (with Reverb) 31lbs (14.06kg). Not tried to lighten it up yet. Although Surf Sales are now speccing the lighter Revolution 25 wheels on the Smalls rather than the 28s. It’s probably end up with some Hope Pro2 Evos and 521s if they work out lighter because they’re in the garage.Posted 4 years agogravity-slaveMember
If you are serious about saving weight you need to get analytical and start a spreadsheet. List EVERYTHING from frame to saddle, grips, seat clamp, the works.
Component ¦ Weight ¦ Option ¦ Weight ¦ Cost ¦ Saving ¦ Cost/g
It’ll make it easy to spot the worst offenders and the easy or cheap savings. Start with the lowest cost/g and obvious big chunks.
Going 1×10 should save about 400g – shifter, cable, outer, mech, granny, bolts but add on weight of chain device.Posted 4 years agowobbliscottMember
Mindmap3 – to be honest i’m sot sure what the individual components weight – i’m not really looking to save any weight at all, i’m happy with it, but this thread prompted me to weigh the bike and it’s now got me interested. This could be a slippery slidey slope!! Now i’m going 1×10 I will change the crank at some point for a 1×10 specific crank, but in no rush, and a nicer wheelset is on the wishlist anyway, moreso for the feel and handling rather than dead weight loss. I’m just absolutely staggered at how light some of these bikes are coming in at given the differences in the frame weights reported on the manufacturers websites. It must be a case that some manufacturers grossly overestimate their frame weights on their websites and the real delta in weight is much higher.
I rode my 25lb hardtail last night for the first time since getting my Covert. Didn’t notice the weight loss apart from on one long grinding climb. In fact I missed the longer suspension travel and rear suspension moreso which slowed me down alot.Posted 4 years agoPopocatapetlSubscriber
My Remedy is bang on 30.5Lbs in its current guise 😀
Its 3×10 XT 785
XTR Clutch Mech + front derailleur
Heim 3 chain tensioner
Haven Wheels (20mm & 142×12)
Haven carbon bars 715mm
Elixir CR brakes 180 each end
Fox Talas 36 RLC FIT 160-120 Kashima
Crank bros Candy 3 pedals
High roller UST 60a 2.5 front
High roller LUST 2.35 rear
Prologo chameleon grips.
i like it lots 😀Posted 4 years agomikewsmithSubscriber
Yep, you also need to look at the small things like foam grips vs lock on’s for easy wins.
Its a goof point lots of little wins. In the end also know where to draw the line. I prefer my lock ons (well 2/3 of them sawn down for grip shift) and a few other things like probably going 34s over 32s up front and sticking with mallets over candys day to day. Fitness and technique will make more difference but thats harder to buy.Posted 4 years agoPJM1974Member
My size large 2009 Wolf Ridge, complete with Wotans, Nukeproof bars and stem, SLX double and Stinger chainguide:
About 33lbs all in. I don’t have a dropper post and I’ve an SDG I beam setup which has saved me a bit of weight. The bike feels front end heavy (with Wotans – go figure!). It’s pretty damn solid, there’s nothing really I’d add to give it any extra durability, except possibly to swap the 719 rims to 721s or similar but even then that’s belt and braces.Posted 4 years agonickheadMember
Seems clear why @Loddrik’s build is the lightest here… lots of carbon/XTR/X0 going on there, along with the light frame
Conversely with Wobbli’s – the mix of X5/X7 components all adds up – it is all down to a couple hundred grams here and 50 grams there…
Mine is around 31 lbs and at a build cost of around 3.5k (with year-old forks from ebay) – it’s as light as I’m prepared to go based on a strength vs. cost compromise. I’m best part of 16st, 6’3″ and want something that I can haul around a trail centre but also point straight down an Alp given the chance.
If you have the resources and dedication to go light, then why not… but I think given the intended use of of most 140mm/150mm ‘all mountain’ bikes, quality of ride and durability will be of greater priority to most.Posted 4 years agoMbnutMember
Wobbli your Covert weight sounds a little high but bathroom scales are probably not the best… I use 2 sets of ‘calibrated’ scales and take the average 😯 😀
I think the frame weight on your Covert should be close to the frame weight on my ’12 29 Bandit which comes in at 29.4lbs with my trail tyres on it.
Mine is a medium so even if we give the frame half a pound then we are looking at approx 2.5 – 3 lbs in the build.
When I looked at your spec I added up the savings in my head as I know the weight of pretty much most parts… sad but true, i’m a lot of fun at parties… and I came to 2.5lbs of weight savings but that would come at a cost…. and a mortal dread of damaging any parts!!
Seems like you are happy with the bike anyway so spending the cash on a trip to Les Arcs is defo the way to go.
How are you finding the rear shock/suspension… soggy, poppy, controlled or no support in the mid stroke…. etcPosted 4 years agoHob NobMember
wobbliscott, looking at the spec, it’s fairly apparent where the extra weight comes from.
Just looking at the wheelset alone, as someone else stated yours come in at literally just under a kilo more than mine. Thats 2.2 pounds on one part. Everything else, few hundred grammes here, there & it all adds up.
My cheapo scales have read within 0.1lb of every other set of scales i’ve used, including some very expensive self calibrating ones from a large post distributor.Posted 4 years agowobbliscottMember
Thanks minutes. I am happy with the bike and was a bit surprised at its weight as it doesn’t ride like a heavy bike so no plans to throw money at it in the near term, just to ride it.
As to the shock, I am a bit disappointed with it. It does feel a bit soggy though I’ve not played with it much. It could do with more less rebound for more of a poppy feel, but I’m doing some jumping at the mo so don’t want to crank it up too much. The damping feels pretty linear along its stroke though so nice and predictable. Also I get virtually no bob when climbing, which I like. I don’t bother with the Climb mode.Posted 4 years agonachoMember
2009 Heckler. Coil DHX4 shock, reverb, 140MM rev’s, xtr cranks, elixir r brakes, race race atlas bars, can’t remember the wheels, one is the original WTB, front is a heavier Mavic as I smashed the original WTB, weighs approx 31lbs. I would love a lighter bike but I ride heavy (OK badly) and break bits! But I love the bike.Posted 4 years agosuperfliMember
’09 Heckler (now with ’12 rear end).
33LB weighed with digital hanging scales that I got off ebay a few weeks ago.
’11 XFusion Vengeance HLR 36mm/160mm forkPosted 4 years ago
Sunline V1 bars (745) + stem (65mm)
2×9 XT chainset
Superstar nano flats
Hope mini mono brakes+ 183/180 rotors
Stans flow/switch evo/tubeless Fat Albert+Crossmark wheels
Reverb+Ti Charge Spoon
XT front/rear (med) derailleurs
Hope ceramic BB
Superstar excel lockon gripsmattzzzzzzMember
Just weighed my mega out of curiosity and its bloody 33.6 lbs!!Posted 4 years ago
I must say it doesnt feel that heavy so then i weighed my missus bike
Giant yukon fx FS which i built for under 300 and its 32lb Arghhhh
I need to look at where the weight is as missus bike is built with 08/09 deore and cheapo alex rims on deore hubs with mostly Giant finishing kit.
Mines1x9 and tubeless toob rMember
Orange Five 18″ 2012 27.5lbs with luggage scale, didn’t think it was that light’til I read this thread
or how much your scales could be out?
And that Turner just above, at 28lb:Posted 4 years ago
1 funny how heavy kids bikes are – what is it a 14″?
2 its never exactly 28lbs, therefore its not been weighedsingletrackbikerMember
Mine is around 26.5lbs, running 2.4 chunky monkey up front & 2.25 advantage rear. Less if I fit summer treads. Weighed on digital bathroom scale & digital hanging scale.Posted 4 years ago
Blur LT alu, Fox Talas 150’s, Syntace stem, Haven carbon bar, R1’s, alu & ti bolts, Deus crankset, Reverb post.
Swapping out comfortable saddle for something racier, same with grips & ditching dropper, I could drop about 1.5lbs, but I like the set-up I have. If I was desperate to lose every gram, I’d swap XT rear mech & cassette for XTR too.asherhMember
Realistically, does the odd 1/2 a pound or so weight loss on a 140mm+ bike make that much difference to handling? My Kona Dawg built reasonably tough with High Rollers, 1×9 + chain device, hope+ DT 500 etc, weighs in at roughly 33lbs and I have yet to finish a ride yet thinking, boll0x, I wish this weighed less.
Fair enough if you are single with a lot of cash melting a hole in your red trousers/mind numbingly anal, counting the grams could help pass the time between getting in from work and your evening Jay Arthur, but surely most of us would be better off spending the time riding more, and replacing the parts as and when they break?
The day I make a spread sheet with the aim of shaving 3g by changing my alloy spoke nipples to ti will be a sad one indeedPosted 4 years agothisisnotaspoonMember
My Pitch is 32lb,
Feels heavy, really heavy, kinda needs you to make movements to make it do things, like preload the suspension for jumps, and really countersteer it into corners rather than being able to just pick it up or throw it into corners. But that’s mostly the geometry, I’ve had 32lb ‘XC’ bikes that handled like lighter XC bikes, and ridden lighter 6″ bikes that felt like mine, but lighter.Posted 4 years ago
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