- Have I borke the law, am I a thief?
Ok so some minor details have been changed to protect their identities but the story goes like this.
Just recently decorated the back room and wanted to get a piece of furniture in there in time for christmas gathering. Bought said piece of furniture from well known high street department store as it was advertised that it would be delivered by christmas.
The day after purchase my wife receives a phone call saying sorry we are out of stock, so we decided to get a refund and try elsewhere. Refund given and a new similar piece of furniture bought from a similarly well know high street furniture store.
A few days before christmas both pieces of furniture arrive within 1 day of each other. My wife, not knowing why its happened gladly accepts both and we check to make sure that furniture item 1 was refunded, which it was. So we decide we prefer the look of furniture item 1 and process a collection and refund for item 2. Item 2 collected and refunded.
So we are now +1 item at no cost (item value approximately £600) and feeling not too guilty about it really. Today my wife has a phone call from Furniture Item 1 store, nothing was discussed as my wife made an excuse that she was busy and could they ‘call back later?’. Since then she has had a voicemail asking if she could call back but no further calls or police at the door or such.
So my question is. Am I a thief? Can I keep the item, or can they call the rozzers on me? What would you have done?
PetePosted 4 years agohelsMember
Yes, you have an item that came to you through dishonest means. A sin of omission right enough, but still very wrong.
Phone the company and explain that it was a misunderstanding between you and your wife, you are very sorry and offer to pay for it.
Would I feel guilty ? I would have burst into flames by now, but then I was raised to believe that lying and stealing are wrong.Posted 4 years agohh45Member
Well, you ought to either pay or return it but it doesn’t appear that you set out with intent. You should have told the delivery person that it had been cancelled but I can imagine how, on the spot as it were you didn’t do that. You’ve created some bad karma for yourselves here but I cant’t imagine you will get into trouble. The warehouse dispatch person may get spoken to though!Posted 4 years agobearnecessitiesSubscriber
I’m not a preachy sort (I don’t think!) but:
Today my wife has a phone call from Furniture Item 1 store, nothing was discussed as my wife made an excuse that she was busy and could they ‘call back later?’
..as you were typing those words, did it not actually register how wrong that is??Posted 4 years ago
Harsh? Ask your mums opinion. Mine would be pissed off with me. I imagine yours would too.
They were disappointed when I told them, but when I asked what they would have done they couldnt reach an agreed answer. The thing is, when its hypothetical most people take the moral high ground, but when it happens its sometimes a different story. You suddenly think you could save yourself a few hundred quid here, maybe spend it on something else instead!Posted 4 years agooldboyMember
I once went to my bank (in the days before there were cash machines on every street corner) and withdrew £50. Got back to work and found I’d been give £100. I took the £50 back, realising the poor bank clerk would have been in serious trouble if I hadn’t done so. So, OP, do the right thing here.Posted 4 years ago
They were disappointed when I told them, but when I asked what they would have done they couldnt reach an agreed answer. The thing is, when its hypothetical most people take the moral high ground, but when it happens its sometimes a different story. You suddenly think you could save yourself a few hundred quid here, maybe spend it on something else instead!
No, I’m sorry there is no way I could happily steal £600 through any means from anyone, whether they are a large multi national company or otherwise. It’s theft and morally bankrupt.Posted 4 years agogordimhorMember
How about this scenario. They realise you have the goods, contact you again but it’s not convenient for you to take the call. The company go to debt recovery specialist, who charge interest, notify the credit rating agencies and eventually the sheriff officers force entry to your home.Posted 4 years ago
It was an error rather than intent but you have their goods they know it they want to be paid.Pay up now and no harm is done.thegreatapeMember
The thing is, when its hypothetical most people take the moral high ground, but when it happens its sometimes a different story.
I’m not so sure. I told my insurers when the actual cost of new carpets was several hundred pounds less than the quote (fitters misinterpreted my drawings). They had already paid me based on the quote, fitters said they wouldn’t say anything to insurers, but there wasn’t any question about what was the right thing to do. They asked for a cheque for the difference, and got one.Posted 4 years ago69er_GavMember
As a store manager for a relatively large retailer, i’d say thief is a little strong however you have been dishonest and should return the item.
The fact it’s £600 worth is key as most retailers wont sit back and let you take it without a fight, especially as they’ll have proof you haven’t paid. I assume it was signed for when delivered?
If we wrongly delivered £600 worth of stock in a similar scenario, i’d be straight on your back to get the funds or the item back. Were it £30 i’d probably just suck it up. The fact you ordered it in the first place suggests you can afford it.
I think you know the right thing to do.Posted 4 years ago
The fact you’re making a concerted effort to now avoid paying for it makes you both a thief and devoid of morality. Shame on you and your wife frankly.
This has been my favourite one so far.
Im not so bothered about the morality behind it. I havent lost sleep over it as I dont believe its really that bad. I paid for an item which couldnt be delivered on time, it was refunded then mistakenly delivered. I didnt go out of my way to steal it, it just came into my possession. I haven’t particularly gone out of my way to rectify the situation and really wanted to know the legalities behind it before I proceed. (to put it on ebay (im joking))Posted 4 years agodeadlydarcyMember
It sounds like someone has noticed that a refund has been made but an item has not reappeared in stock – I suppose you need to consider if that someone’s arse is on the line for refunding you without confirming your item was on the truck or in the warehouse – and how you might feel if it was you in that person’s situation. You haven’t paid for the item, it’s not yours. Noone’s died or been physically injured so it’s not exactly crime of the century – so I won’t be using any exaggerated hyperbole, and the fact that it’s all a bit faceless makes it easier for you I guess. But I reckon you know it’s not yours. Looks like you’ll have to give it back.Posted 4 years ago
I think you know the right thing to do.
Cheers for the insider info Gav. I know the right thing to do, call and get it paid, which is what is going to be done tomorrow. However, i’d want to know what happens if this doesnt happen.
From talking with my sister who is in retail management she told me that previously she had mistakenly given a customer a PS3 with a mobile phone contract as it was part of a free gift deal. However it turns out the deal was supposed to be with a free PS3 motion controller, not PS3 console and had to chase up the customer to get it back. The customer basically said ‘its your mistake, sorry’ and it turns out that the my sisters company couldnt or wouldnt chase it any more (of which im not sure). Which made me think perhaps there is no legal grounding to getting the item back once it has been delivered.Posted 4 years ago
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