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  • Football – 2023/24 Season
  • blackhat
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    Aggression and passion are essential components of the game, a little bit of professional gamesmanship has always been there, but this Newcastle side seem to have sly digs from back to front from first whistle to last and yet find themselves mortally offended at the slightest perceived offence by the opposition.  The fact that the ref booked three Toon players for dissent after the Havertz lunge was refreshing.  I actually think the issue here is Eddie Howe as his Bournemouth team used to try it on too, it was pathetic.

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    dander
    Full Member

    Mmmmm, I’d like it somewhere in the middle. It’s all a bit matey now, with hugs and shirt swapping after the game but you don’t want to see players trying to hurt each other.

    Newcastle are good at the dark arts though, which belies Eddie Howe’s image – remember the time wasting last season!

    binners
    Full Member

    @DazH – I was in the Stretford end for the reverse fixture at Old Trafford which finished with us winning 5-3 after us IIRC going behind 3 times. It was mental! I’ve never seen OT more venomous with Shearer just being relentlessly abused for 90 minutes.

    One of the best matches I’ve ever been to. I took my fanatical Toon-supporting Geordie mate who was down from Newcastle for the weekend. He had to sit on his hands and STFU for the entire duration of the game 😂

    dazh
    Full Member

    I actually think the issue here is Eddie Howe as his Bournemouth team used to try it on too

    Or is it more that Howe is extremely good at fostering a team spirit and ethic which results in the players defending each other to the last man? At Newcastle he’s not only done that but also managed to unite the crowd with the players too. Howe understands what Newcastle supporters expect more than any other manager I’ve known, including Keegan and Robson. I mean, where else would you see players and the crowd celebrating a successful tackle as much as a goal?

    Having said all that Bruno needs to wind it in a bit as he’s gonna be a marked man and get himself sent off.

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    johndoh
    Free Member

    You seriously want to see football matches where everyone is nice and polite with no passion or aggression? I think you’ll find yourself in the minority.

    Passion, 100%, absolutely. Aggression, no thanks.

    I was in the Stretford end for the reverse fixture at Old Trafford which finished with us winning 5-3 after us IIRC going behind 3 times. It was mental! I’ve never seen OT more venomous with Shearer just being relentlessly abused for 90 minutes.

    I was at the Leeds v Liverpool game when Leeds won 4-3 in 2000 – four shots on target, four goals. Shit-loads of passion shown but no aggression that I remember.

    pothead
    Free Member

    The fact that the ref booked three Toon players for dissent after the Havertz lunge was refreshing.

    Havertz and Bruno were very lucky to stay on the pitch, they all know the rules on harassing the ref tho so I wasn’t surprised they were booked, but why were none of the Arsenal players, who also chased and surrounded the ref after the VAR decision, not booked for dissent?
    Arteta also said something along the lines of ‘mistakes do happen and we should all try to support the ref/VAR as much as we can’ after Luis Diaz had the goal disallowed against Spurs recently

    dazh
    Full Member

    but why were none of the Arsenal players, who also chased and surrounded the ref after the VAR decision, not booked for dissent?

    Watching a recording now and honestly Arsenal give as good as they get on the niggling and moaning to the referee. All sides do it so I have no idea why the toon are being singled out.

    gobuchul
    Free Member

    Passion, 100%, absolutely. Aggression, no thanks.

    Football is a contact sport. Aggression is absolutely part of it.

    dazh
    Full Member

    Passion, 100%, absolutely. Aggression, no thanks.

    Have you ever played football? It’s very much a survival of the fittest/strongest sport. I stopped playing Saturday morning 11-a-side because I knew I was going to get seriously injured and simply didn’t have the aggression/competitiveness to cope with the physicality of it. I can barely imagine what it must be like at elite level.

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    neilnevill
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    Definitely agree contact sport,  aggression and gamesmanship are skulls of the game…. dark arts really.   Klopp and his complaining is gamesmanship to influence refs, its all part of the game.   Most Successful teams have used a bit of aggression to reduce the impact of a skilful player….dave mackay, Billy bremnar, Sergio ramos.  The entire Chelsea team in the ‘battle of Stamford Bridge 2nd half’ .  I think it’s fine so long as refs are good and when the line is crossed it gets punished.  Clattenburg is on record saying he stepped back and let the players kick lumps out each other….. that was wrong, and unfortunately very few refs are good enough and Newcastle will gain an unfair advantage.   It happens far too much.  Look at ramos on salah, CL final ffs.

    johndoh
    Free Member

    Have you ever played football?

    Yes. And?

    dazh
    Full Member

    Whatevs 🤷‍♂️

    Too many arguments going on elsewhere to have one here. You don’t like the way Howe’s team plays, fine, but don’t pretend any other team is any different. If Newcastle are better at it than the likes of Arsenal then that’s all good from where I’m standing.

    binners
    Full Member

    A great display by Forest there. They had the measure of Villa right from the off, which is no easy task this season. A really solid defensive performance and looking sharp going forward

    MoreCashThanDash
    Full Member

    Watching a recording now and honestly Arsenal give as good as they get on the niggling and moaning to the referee. All sides do it so I have no idea why the toon are being singled out.

    Hate to say it but I agree – to have a pop at Newcastle players given what Arsenal are like seems a bit selective.

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    binners
    Full Member

    Typical bloody scousers! Equalising in Fergie-time! I had money on Luton at 14/1 😡

    MoreCashThanDash
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    I had money on Luton at 14/1 😡

    Is the problem the Scousers/Fergie time, or your general failure to pick the winning bet? Did MrsBinners have it as a draw, she’s usually more accurate.

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    binners
    Full Member

    You already know the answer to both those questions

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    slowpuncheur
    Free Member

    Just caught up on this thread after the weekends events. I thought Arsenal fans were precious flowers til I read some of these comments. Saturdays game wasn’t a 9 goal thriller with intricate interplay but it was bloody enjoyable. Newcastle won because they restricted Arsenal to 1 tame shot on target all night.

    Arteta is just doing a Fergie and seems to have successfully distracted most people from the fact his chosen keeper had another error of judgement which led to a goal and his team are a little shot shy. However, for the club to double down on PGMOL isn’s a good luck.

    It reminds me of what Sir Bobby Robson said after Wenger had a similar moan on probably the last time we beat them:

    ‘Some people around here need to learn how to lose’.

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    stcolin
    Free Member

    I’m an Arsenal fan, but a very pragmatic one. The nonsense around Bruno/Havertz is just that, nonsense. We didn’t create anywhere near enough. I think we have a better team, slightly, than last year, but we aren’t getting the results. I’ve been slagged off by other Arsenal fans for suggesting we will struggle to finish top 4, but I honestly think that’s where we are at. Last season we had the wind in our sails but stumbled at the end. Look how many results we just about nicked last year. It’s not happening this year.

    dazh
    Full Member

    Had the pleasure of watching Arteta’s presser again. I really don’t know how he takes himself seriously. I know Mourinho was prone to prima-donna whining but this is on another level. If he was trying to distract from his team’s shortcomings then fair play to him, but he’s really going beyond the call of duty. I suppose at least he didn’t do a Klopp and demand a replay. 😀

    Also Joelinton was immense in that game. I know Bruno gets all the attention at Newcastle (undeservedly so IMO) but JL is just as important when he’s in this form. Good to have him back at his best in time for the Dortmund return match as he was a bit rusty in the last one.

    argee
    Full Member

    It’s all fun, Arsenal just don’t have a proper top class forward, and they do seem a bit shot shy as well from the others in the team. Add that to the problem they have at left back, where they’re either trying to get a player who isn’t that defensive minded (Zinchenko) or a right back with no real left foot (Tomiyasu), they’ll get hunted down that side by the big teams.

    The leagues there for a few teams, Man City are prone to lapses as well, they just have such a formidable set up, that three or four centre backs in defence is starting to look pretty good these days, but then again those centre backs are good with the ball, so can cover defensive midfield as well.

    rogermoore
    Full Member

    Probably gonna be the kiss of death, but if you’re not watching Spurs v Chelsea then you’re missing a cracker.
    RM.

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    argee
    Full Member

    Could do without Gary Neville, someone take away his soapbox and try and get him to just commentate on the game.

    dander
    Full Member

    Johndoh will be repulsed by this!

    Thats both Spurs centre half’s out for a few weeks…..

    binners
    Full Member

    Missed the first half, so I hope the second is equally as bonkers!

    imnotverygood
    Full Member

    As a Chelsea supporter. What are Spurs doing playing such a high line- on the halfway line when they only have 10 men? Bonkers

    johndoh
    Free Member

    I don’t mind – aggression being punished with a sending off. Seems fair to me, that’s how it works (or at least should work).

    neilnevill
    Free Member

    What was I saying about aggression and passion and the battle of stamford bridge?  Why do spurs get so dragged in!? Oh dear,  this is bad…. much worse than just 3 points.  Vdv out hamstring,  madders or ankle,  cuti …. being cuti ie stupid and now suspended….I reckon others won’t make the end yet. 

    dander
    Full Member

    Fair enough johndoh. Although Udogie should have gone too. 

    neilnevill
    Free Member

    Err..cough.

    binners
    Full Member

    Imagine the score if Chelsea had anyone up front who could actually hit a barn door with a shovel

    neilnevill
    Free Member

    The dog got to 4 yellow and just waiting for 1 more for a suspension then gets a suspension for 2 yellow=red which doesn’t reset the 4 yellow…. neck m back 2 games and repeat….. great talent…. like cuti, but ‘kin hell,  you need to be on the pitch more.

    neilnevill
    Free Member

    No thanks binners.

    dander
    Full Member

    Sorry Neil. Wonder if even Jackson will score?! Spurs made heavy weather against Liverpool with 9 men, but they’ve even longer to survive here. Vicario is great eh?

    neilnevill
    Free Member

    C***t! It’s this really the best game to continue bentancur ‘s return following acl reconstruction?  

    Skippy I just….I am lost for words….. like we are lost for players. 

    imnotverygood
    Full Member

    Chelsea are bottling it

    binners
    Full Member

    How can you spend a billion quid and not have anyone who can finish?

    imnotverygood
    Full Member

    I also can’t understand why Chelsea keep running offside. Surely they could just stand in their own half with Spurs playing so high. 

    neilnevill
    Free Member

    I think postecoglou needs to learn high lines have a time and a place.

    Philby
    Full Member

    5 Offside goals, 2 sendings off, a few long term injuries – this is the maddest game I’ve seen for years.

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