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  • EU Referendum – are you in or out?
  • mattyfez
    Full Member

    In short, my local area is 40/40 tory /Labour 10/10 lib dem or ‘other’ so it will be a purely tactical vote.
    I’d rather vote lib dem.

    cchris2lou
    Full Member

    Gina Miller is preparing a website to help with tactical voting.
    She seems pretty good at what she does.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Good call @mattyfez, we really need rid of him.

    raybanwomble
    Free Member

    Ooooh look, post Brexit Britain!

    dudeofdoom
    Full Member

    Mind boggling more devils in the WA Bill

    UK gives up £7bn windfall from European Investment Bank …

    linky

    scotroutes
    Full Member

    Wow. Page 3.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    How to hammer home the effect of the Hard Brexit before us… use measurements people instinctively understand… “the size of Wales”…

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-brexit-deal-punches-20755183

    The National Institute of Economic and Social Research decided to assess the impact after the government refused to do so – claiming it wasn’t needed.

    Experts said that even if a free trade agreement is agreed with the EU by January 2021, which critics claim is impossible, the UK GDP will be 3.5% smaller each year “in perpetuity” than if we’d stayed in the EU.

    “This is roughly equivalent to losing the annual output of Wales,” the think tank concluded.

    NIESR economist Arno Hantzsche added: “We don’t expect there to be a ‘deal dividend’ at all.

    mefty
    Free Member

    Experts said that even if a free trade agreement is agreed with the EU by January 2021, which critics claim is impossible, the UK GDP will be 3.5% smaller each year

    Unfortunately it didn’t, it said 3.5% in the long run, by which I think they mean 10 years, not per annum. Link

    Cougar
    Full Member

    Oh, well that’s alright then.

    Here’s us thinking we’ll be completely ****ed when the reality is that we’ll only be moderately ****ed for the next decade.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    From mefty’s link,

    The economy is estimated to be 2½ per cent smaller now than it would otherwise have been as a result of the 2016 Brexit vote.

    Our economy is 2% smaller than it should be simply because we’re talking about leaving the EU. We’ve not left yet.

    Project fear, anyone?

    ctk
    Full Member

    Business wants certainty. God knows when they’ll get it.

    sr0093193
    Free Member

    It actually says:

    GDP will be 3% per cent smaller each year in perpetuity than it would have been had the UK stayed an EU member.

    STW posters in selective quoting (lying and making stuff up) none shocker.

    mefty
    Free Member

    Project fear, anyone?

    Fortunately there is some commentary on that in the report I linked – SPOILER ALERT – it massively overestimated the consequences.

    STW posters in selective quoting (lying and making stuff up) none shocker.

    Completely mystified by this, I was making the point that it was over a ten year period than than per annum.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    So, we’re expected to be worse off, in terms equivalent to closing down the whole of the Welsh economy, if we leave with Johnson’s WA rather than cancelling Brexit.

    Still cries of “Project Fear” from the die hards. Because the government’s own figures show that… er… who needs figures?!?

    The current mess is already making us worse off. Leaving with Johnson’s WA will make us worse off than leaving with May’s WA. Leaving with May’s WA would make us worse off then staying in the EEA. Leaving the EU to be in the EEA would make us worse off than keeping full EU membership.

    Lots of options there. Staying an EU member makes the most sense economically… but there are lots of less damaging approaches than Johnson’s that politicians can pursue if they want to try and find a compromise to put to us.

    sr0093193
    Free Member

    it said 3.5% in the long run

    Selective quoting of headline that suits your narrative.

    Unfortunately it didn’t

    Lie.

    which I think they mean 10 years

    Making stuff up.

    Entirely unsurprising you can’t grasp things like that – psuedo-intellectualism at its best.

    Cougar
    Full Member

    So a report says that we’ll be worse off, and your rebuttal is that we will indeed be worse off but less so than other posters have interpreted? Have I got that right?

    Sounds awesome, sign me up.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    Theres a very good reason Johnson is too scared to produce any impact assessments for his Brexit deal

    because like that study mentioned shows, the country will be many £billions poorer

    Austerity for another decade, yaay, Brexit !!!

    dannyh
    Free Member

    How many hospitals and/or schools is 3.5%?

    It would be nice to know in those sort of terms what it costs to do something entirely stupid and self-inflicted.

    When the Leave fanbois are reduced to having their best ‘sell’ as “it won’t be as bad as you thought, but it will still be bad” then I think we have reached peak stupidity.

    Tell you what, why don’t you slam a kitchen drawer on your hand when you get home tonight and then take some solace IF (and only ‘if’, mind) it doesn’t hurt quite as much as you thought it might?

    zippykona
    Full Member

    No doubt all those who retired at 60 and 65 will salute us proud patriots who will be working beyond 72.

    You **** didn’t even fight in the war or have to make any sacrifice for your brexit.

    It’s us poor sods who will work til death who will pay for it.

    **** you , you ignorant selfish ****.

    welshfarmer
    Full Member

    So, do I fill this in now or wait a bit? Seems an awful waste of a perfectly good ditch, especially given the significance of today

    slowoldman
    Full Member

    No doubt all those who retired at 60 and 65 will salute us proud patriots who will be working beyond 72.

    Give it a rest. Less of the “ALL”. I and most of my mates are over 60 and I know of 1 brexiter amongst them.

    dissonance
    Full Member

    So, do I fill this in now or wait a bit?

    Keep it. Even if Johnson doesnt want it it might come in useful when Francois and co explode. Since surely they at least will keep their word as officer and gentlemen?

    Cougar
    Full Member

    In other news, Susanna Reid was on form yesterday.

    EDIT: Weird embedding, I mean the lower video.

    Del
    Full Member

    How many hospitals and/or schools is 3.5%

    Who cares? The sensible thing to do is write something like ‘brexit had already cost 5% of GDP, and will cost 7% of GDP year on year – let’s fund our schools instead’ on the side of many buses up and down the country. That’ll get the f@333ers thinking about how must this is costing, and continuing to talk about it.

    zippykona
    Full Member

    Write to your leave mp and ask how much income and council tax will go down after brexit.

    How soon will your local roads be fixed as we all know we pay for smooth euro roads.

    Basically get them to acknowledge that things are going to be worse.

    willard
    Full Member

    And, if you do that, they will ignore you/fob you off, or will start thinking that they are being threatened and get you visited by plod.

    dissonance
    Full Member

    Basically get them to acknowledge that things are going to be worse.

    You are expecting them to be honest?

    sr0093193
    Free Member

    3.5% is 10x the cost of being in.

    Or 12.5million hip replacements a year.

    Just sayin…

    Cougar
    Full Member

    Over on that Facebook, an Australian asked what’s going on with brexit. I replied and it got a bit long, so I thought I’d share.

    >>

    Brexit: The story so far.

    In 2016, in order to try and resolve Tory infighting we had a national opinion poll where the public were promised sunny uplands, unicorns and free solid gold houses for everyone. Immediately after the vote it was announced that there was no free money and the unicorn was actually a zebra with an ice cream cone stapled to its forehead. Many people didn’t seem to care about this abject lie because they don’t like foreigners, or something. David Cameron, the dead-pig-molester who started all this and promised faithfully that he’d see it through whatever the outcome, promptly ran away never to be seen or heard from again until he had a book coming out.

    Pretty soon after this it was announced that 17.4 million votes was the will of the people and 16.1 million was we won you lost shut up and get over it two world wars and one world cup doo dah queen mum gawd rest her soul. The word “undemocratic” was redefined to mean “anyone who disagrees with us” and billions of new dictionaries had to be printed.

    Three years passed, where the government got busy negotiating brexit by having repeated court cases to try and bypass parliament and generally power grab, in between having elections to attempt to pass the poisoned chalice onto someone else.

    At a quarter to midnight on the night before her homework was due in, Theresa May agreed a deal with the EU27, arguably a better deal than anyone had hoped possible. She then took it back to parliament who said “don’t like it.” Three times. Largely because her deal was broadly what we have currently, only giving up our seat at the table, which is clearly pointless whichever side of the argument you support. Quite why she didn’t get parliamentary agreement before jumping on a plane, no-one is quite sure. But anyway.

    After being democratically voted in by a hundred thousand mostly old angry white men who’d paid for the privilege of doing so (a third of whom had recently been drafted in by a Leave.EU campaign to rig the vote), Boris Johnson then swept in with bold claims about adding an extra 20,000 police officers to the streets (neatly side-stepping the fact that Tory cuts had already cost us 21,000 officers so we’ll still be at a net deficit) and some other fictional bollocks about hospitals or bridges or trains or something. He promised to “get brexit done” in his lunch hour despite the entire cabinet having been paralysed for the last three years, agreed a deal with the EU27 which is basically May’s deal only with all those pesky things no-one wants – like workers’ rights – crossed out, and had that rejected by parliament too because to some it was demonstrably worse than the one they’d already said no to and to the headbangers it still wasn’t brexity enough to make them all multi-billionaires overnight.

    Boris promised that he’d rather be dead in a ditch than not leave the EU today. Parliament forced him to ask for a few more weeks, because obviously we can have all this sorted out in a month despite having spunked billions of increasingly valueless pounds up the wall to achieve the square root of **** all for the last three years. Boris did so, with his fingers crossed and a note from his mum saying the big boys made him do it.

    So now we get to have this merry dance all over again at the end of January, only Boris has just seemingly called a vote of no confidence in himself so we’ll get to have the third general election in almost as many years to achieve who the hell knows what any more, despite leavers shouting repeatedly since 2016 that we can’t just keep having votes until we get a result we like (because as any fool knows, once you have a vote the democratic process immediately stops dead which is why the Whigs are still in power).

    At the point of me writing this, ditches across the country lie sadly bereft of any lying tub-of-lard philandering cockweasels.

    I think that about covers it.

    Del
    Full Member

    Nailed it

    oldnpastit
    Full Member

    Happy Unbrexit day!!!

    What’s everyone doing to note this momentous unocassion?

    I’m in a conference call.

    thegreatape
    Free Member

    I’m having a birthday to celebrate. I’m getting some new motorbike thermals for winter, a giant cinnamon whirl instead of a cake, and some new golf clubs although only I know about that. Wife is going away biking with her mates for three days so it’s just me and the boys and we’ll eat what we like and not bother cooking veg and leave the bog seat up all weekend. Now Brexit is over I think I’ve done ok out of it.

    epicyclo
    Full Member

    I was so looking forward to the pics of a nude Katie Hopkins streaking in public adorned only with strategically placed pics of Nigel.

    That hasn’t happened and Boris isn’t dead in a ditch, so maybe they’ve sneaked Brexit through on us.

    [gagging noise] Is disappoint [/gagging noise]

    bikebouy
    Free Member

    No rioting or absolute chaos then ?

    #we’restillintheEU

    zippykona
    Full Member

    TiRed
    Full Member

    Who cares? The sensible thing to do is write something like ‘brexit had already cost 5% of GDP, and will cost 7% of GDP year on year

    I’ve already said it once, the general population are economically illiterate. I doubt most people could tell you what GDP stands for, nor how it is calculated. That’s why “Wales” was used as the size of loss to the economy. People sort of know what “Wales” is. I doubt the people of Boston care though – after all they don’t live in Wales 😉

    Hard leavers won’t care and use statements like “it’s a cost worth paying” (by someone else). They sadly can’t associate that with things like providing public services. Frankly, I despair. Never wanted a referendum on a subject that was of little interest to the electorate at the time. I do have other options, and am unlikely to be affected, personally, but the economics are truly damming.

    BTW manufacturing trade is only a tenth of the economy. Wait till we start arguing about services. Then It will be squeaky bum austerity time.

    TiRed
    Full Member

    And little known fact… Ode to Joy was commissioned by Britain as a piece from Beethoven. Great piece, and what foresight on the part of us Brits 😀

    dissonance
    Full Member

    No rioting or absolute chaos then ?

    Still to come. At the moment I think everyone is in shock that someone sacked twice for lying may just have possibly lied about his ability to do something in order to get the job.

    mrlebowski
    Free Member

    3.5% is 10x the cost of being in

    Let’s see your maths..

    zippykona
    Full Member

    So who can we have a trade deal with?

    Trump says Johnson’s Brexit could rule out US trade deal

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/31/trump-says-johnson-and-farage-could-form-unstoppable-force?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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