Donald! Trump!

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  • ernielynch
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    This MSNBC video is excellent as it ridicules Trump for his apparently completely contradictory position on what NASA’s space goals should be. You will note that they make little capital out of his clumsily worded tweet, they don’t suggest that he doesn’t understand the difference between the Moon and Mars.

    Premier Icon akira
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    It’s like when he talked about Namibia, or various other times he got stuff wrong. You can get away with saying he just mixed it up a few times but eventually you just have to accept he’s not that bright and stop making excuses.

    tjagain
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    It not that he is thick – tho he is not the sharpest tool in the box. Its that he refuses to be briefed on anything and refuses to listen to anyone. So he actually has no grasp of issues.

    Check how many of these he shows

    Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder and the severity of symptoms vary. People with the disorder can:

    Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance
    Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration
    Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it
    Exaggerate achievements and talents
    Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate
    Believe they are superior and can only associate with equally special people
    Monopolize conversations and belittle or look down on people they perceive as inferior
    Expect special favors and unquestioning compliance with their expectations
    Take advantage of others to get what they want
    Have an inability or unwillingness to recognize the needs and feelings of others
    Be envious of others and believe others envy them
    Behave in an arrogant or haughty manner, coming across as conceited, boastful and pretentious
    Insist on having the best of everything — for instance, the best car or office
    At the same time, people with narcissistic personality disorder have trouble handling anything they perceive as criticism, and they can:

    Become impatient or angry when they don’t receive special treatment
    Have significant interpersonal problems and easily feel slighted
    React with rage or contempt and try to belittle the other person to make themselves appear superior
    Have difficulty regulating emotions and behavior
    Experience major problems dealing with stress and adapting to change
    Feel depressed and moody because they fall short of perfection
    Have secret feelings of insecurity, shame, vulnerability and humiliation

    Trump is only interested in money and power but mostly money. He stayed at his golf course in Ireland this week and the bill for this was $3.6 million. They paid over $16000 for golf carts.

    It’s because he’s one of those people that believe money is happiness (and so there more he has the happier he is) and doesn’t understand people who don’t think the same.

    Unfortunately this weird world view is reinforced by yes men, subservient hangers on and beautiful women who will sell their love for the lifestyle. Because money is happiness.

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    Perhaps he’s just stating the very obvious thing you’ve all missed – the reason for going to the moon is that it’s a stepping stone to Mars.

    And if NASA is going to spend a ton of money going to the moon, it would be helpful if they could also mention that goal. It’s a lot further out of course, but it’s good to keep the end goal in sight.

    Actually quite smart.

    Premier Icon akira
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    They could launch the rocket from Nambia, it’s the closest country to the Moon.

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    oldnpastit

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    Perhaps he’s just stating the very obvious thing you’ve all missed – the reason for going to the moon is that it’s a stepping stone to Mars.

    No, he isn’t. That mught be what he was trying to say, who knows? But it’s not what he said.

    “It’s not an interference, they have information — I think I’d take it,” Trump said.

    Open for business from foreign powers in the run-up to 2020 then. A brazen repeat of him calling on Russia to send him Hillary’s emails in 2016.

    The level of corruption is so extreme, and yet becoming completely normalised.

    Not a parody account. The actual White House:

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Do we need to stop laughing now?

    CountZero
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    This from the Freedland article above:

    Draw up a checklist of the semiotics of dictatorship and Trump ticks every one. He muses out loud about being president for life, saying it would be “great”. He’s indicated often that he would not accept the outcome of an election he lost. He’s threatened to jail his political opponents. He has the despot’s attitude to the truth – lying routinely, even about trivial matters, partly to demonstrate power. So great is his sway over his devotees, he can make them believe even what is provably false.

    And he has the despot’s contempt for a free press, forever railing against the “fake news” media and all but abolishing the White House daily briefing, which at least aimed to hold successive administrations to account. Note his abuse of power to pursue vendettas against the companies that own media organisations that displease him: seeking to raise postal charges on Amazon, as retaliation against the Washington Post, owned by Amazon’s Jeff Bezos; and moving to block the AT&T-Time Warner merger to hurt CNN.

    The most chilling moment of his encounter with Putin last weekend came when the two men bonded over their shared loathing of journalists: “Get rid of them,” Trump said to his Kremlin counterpart, perhaps envious of the toll of 26 murdered journalists notched up in Russia during the Putin years.

    His disregard for the rule of law is also that of the autocrat. His aides simply ignore subpoenas to appear before Congress, while in the name of his invented migrant “crisis” at the southern border, he became the first US president ever to declare a national emergency solely to circumvent the authority granted to Congress by the constitution. “That was a pretty straightforward authoritarian power-grab,” according to Kristy Parker, a former Department of Justice lawyer now with the Protect Democracy advocacy group.

    A wry, hollow laugh is about all that’s appropriate.

    kerley
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    Trump is clearly a dictator with one important piece missing, there are free elections so he can easily be removed. The word free is up for debate depending on how much you believe in outside interference such as Russia, stopping people voting based on technicalities etc,. but a proper dictator would be controlling the elections more tightly than Trump ever could (well I hope so anyway)

    ChunkyMTB
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    *awaits tittylip tweet*

    Does he tweet before or after his Maccy D breakfast?

    tjagain
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    Kerley – there are various attempts going on at gerrymandeing. voter ID is to put off the poor, black and illegals from voting which boosts republican vote. Citizenships status on the census form is to distort the census returns by reducing the same groups so states with a lot of these groups will get less representation than they deserve then there are also attempts to gerrymander boundaries again to disenfranchise democrat leaning groups.

    andy8442
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    I don’t know if it’s been mentioned before on here, but the last series of Veep was both hilarious and a huge dig at Trump and the current state of US politics.

    Here’s a thought, that would cut him to the core. We ignore him. Just plain ignore him. I know it won’t happen but…….

    CountZero
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    inept, insecure and incompetent

    But unfortunately, in power. 😕

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    He is not even intelligent enough that when accused of being insecure not to respond in the most insecure of ways thus proving the leaked email correct.

    To be fair, Darroch’s report was not exactly insightful – I think pretty much any of us could have written it from the comfort of Blighty without having to run the risk of living and working close enough that you might actually meet the buffoon.

    Surprisingly accurate tweet for Trump, considering the actual country of origin involved.

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    Ah the full racist “go back to where they came from”.

    And who could argue that the US doesn’t have a complete and total catastrophe for a government, the worst, most corrupt and inept…after all, that’s what Kim Darroch said.

    The most remarkable thing about those tweets is the fact that he will get away with it. Its the new norm.

    piha
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    The most remarkable thing about those tweets is the fact that he will get away with it. Its the new norm.

    This ^ x 100000000000

    Isn’t this the language we would usually associate with the likes of the Westboro Baptist church goons?

    I find trumps ability to ignore any criticism or scrutiny utterly depressing.

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    athgray
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    3 of the 4 congresswoman he is talking about are American born. One is from the Bronx, one from Detroit and a third from Cincinatti. The fourth is originally from Somalia.

    kerley
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    Exactly, which is why Trump was correct when he said

    “came from countries whose governments are a complete and total catastrophe, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in the world (if they even have a functioning government at all)”

    As the country he is referring to is actaully the US

    The fourth is originally from Somalia.

    and has been an American citizen longer than Trumps wife has.

    tjagain
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    Fill in the missing letters
    Trump is a R…………..ist
    could be ap
    could be ac
    could be aging narsssi

    The most remarkable thing about those tweets is the fact that he will get away with it. Its the new norm.

    I don’t think it is and I don’t think he necessarily will.

    It’s not the norm – it’s the number one media story today.

    Will he get away with it? Next Presidential election is about a year away. 40pc of the US population are non-white/non Hispanic. Almost all of them are from families of immigrants, although some more recent than others. You can’t alienate that many people and still win elections.

    Premier Icon maccruiskeen
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    You can’t alienate that many people and still win elections.

    lets not count those chickens until they are hatched

    Almost all of them are from families of immigrants

    so is he – being from families of immigrants doesn’t stop you wanting to pull the ladder up.

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    He’ll get away with it

    Look at Johnson , our PM despite a history of racsim & bigotry

    tjagain
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    Trump does not have the compliant media that Johnson has

    lets not count those chickens until they are hatched

    I’m not counting the ‘trump will lose’ chickens. I’m saying we shouldn’t count the ‘Trump will get away with this comment’ chickens.

    Trump could win – he did last time against the odds. But there’s a ton of reasons to think he might not. Apart from being blatantly inept he was the ‘outsider’ candidate last time offering to change the status quo. He can’t be the ‘outsider’ candidate now. He’s been in office for 5 years he *is* the status quo.

    Trump does not have the compliant media that Johnson has

    Really? What media are you listening to? Every inconsistency in Johnson’s case has been picked over in detail in the media plus his private life earlier on in the campaign.

    Boris flaws are all over the media.

    tjagain
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    Come off it! 80% of the press is owned by non uk resident brexiteers. Why is Johnson not being chased for his racism every day? Why are his lies not being exposed by all outlets? Why is it not the lead story on the TV every day?

    Yes there is some press that will report this stuff but it does not get the prominence it deserves and much of the press / media simply ignore it.

    In the US almost all the major news organisations will expose trump. In the UK its a tiny minority that will expose Johnson

    Come off it! 80% of the press is owned by non uk resident brexiteers. Why is Johnson not being chased for his racism every day? Why are his lies not being exposed by all outlets? Why is it not the lead story on the TV every day?

    Yes there is some press that will report this stuff but it does not get the prominence it deserves and much of the press / media simply ignore it.

    In the US almost all the major news organisations will expose trump. In the UK its a tiny minority that will expose Johnson

    Can you give me an example of Boris racism that you don’t think hasn’t been widely reported in the media so we can google it and see how much coverage it got.

    tjagain
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    I shall stick to my promise to yself and keep out of politics threads on here.

    I suggest you compare the mail . express and telegraphs coverage of his racism to the Guardians. try Picanninies with watermelon smiles. See how many hits you get in those papers compared to the guardian

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    He can’t be the ‘outsider’ candidate now. He’s been in office for 5 years he *is* the status quo.

    If you look at what he says he still tries that line. All the “deep state” rubbish preventing him from saving the world etc.
    The question is how many people will buy into it.

    tjagain
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    OOB – or you could look into the EU straight bananas story. Invented by johnson. run with in all the right wing press including of course the telegraph for whom he wrote the lie in a column.

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