Good. Now let’s bet.

You were offering worse odds than the bookies

@hh45

No sincerity, she has changed her stance on so many isuses.
General view that Clintons are easily bought for the right (high) price
Her record as Secretary of State was poor not least her handling of the Benghazi incident (and subsequent cover up)

See this video for example

[video]http://youtu.be/-dY77j6uBHI[/video]

mikewsmith – Member

Good. Now let’s bet.

You were offering worse odds than the bookies [/quote]

OKay, I give you 1/2 (think that’s the way they write) as I want to have fun too.

How about it?

I shall put aside £1k for the bet. 😛

Everyone let’s have fun but forget about those casino style den … we are just have minor fun here. A small bet.

Good. Now let’s bet.

Wanna bet he will see through his first term with ease?

youre on!

crate of beer says he doesnt go the distance

kimbers – Member

Good. Now let’s bet.
Wanna bet he will see through his first term with ease?

youre on!

crate of beer says he doesnt go the distance [/quote]

OKay, he will see through Presidential term.

I prefer Cornish Pilsner so if I win I get a crate of that.

If you win I shall buy you 2 crates of beer so what brand of beer do you want? Brew dog? Newcastle brown ale?

not a newcie brown fan, doombar for me!

Trump in plagiarism shocker

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl-vk52FAaw[/video]

hes obviously a villain, batman is so gonna kick his arse

Slight hijack folks … nothing to see here.

kimbers – Member
not a newcie brown fan, doombar for me!

Okay Doombar it is …

I just found out they are also brewed in Cornwall. 😛

I half expect the news to now include several

moments as he details the pen he is using to sign something (available from Trump Pens) before namechecking his made in china ties and made in Mexico suits

and with much hilarity from a link above The First Lady has her page

Mrs. Trump cares deeply about issues impacting women and children, and she has focused her platform as First Lady on the problem of cyber bullying among our youth.

Obviously cyber bullying from creepy old men is not something she needs to look at.
Seriouisly who let that one out there

jambalaya – Member

@hh45

No sincerity, she has changed her stance on so many isuses.
General view that Clintons are easily bought for the right (high) price
Her record as Secretary of State was poor not least her handling of the Benghazi incident (and subsequent cover up)

hmmm, yeah trump doesn’t change stance much eh…
trump has made a living being bought for a price and refuses to give up all business ties…
political record and handling of incidents… give him time…

the biff tannen timeline is now in full effect. Marty McFly can do no more!

😆

The only comment worth making here is that Biff hates manure.

Seems that after all his hooplah about signing over his business to his sons he hasn’t filed any paperwork yet, presumably he’s just been busy and wouldn’t just lie to try and get people to stop asking questions.

I can understand why Clinton wasn’t popular – extra judicial killings abroad aren’t that friendly, although it’s beyond me why Obama isn’t also tainted in the same way.

However I can’t help but think that being a near cert to win costs a candidate a ton of votes as people just assume their vote isn’t needed.

Would I have bothered voting knowing Clinton was 80pc likely to win? Unless I’d already requested a postal vote I don’t think I would have.

The truth is we never know why people vote/don’t vote the way they do. It’s anyone’s guess.

We’re gonna have the best sharks. Trust me. I know sharks. Great fish. And we’re gonna put laser beams on their heads. It’s gonna be great. Bigly.

Her record as Secretary of State was poor not least her handling of the Benghazi incident (and subsequent cover up)

jambafact #378

“We will follow two simple rules: buy American and hire American.”

So, what kind of great UK/US trade deal will we get?

Amusingly I work for an American company. I’m not American so I guess I better update my CV.

Did anyone see the report in the “rust belt” and then all hoping for Trump’s regeneration of it making them great again?
There’s a reason it became a rust belt – the same one worldwide.
£/€/$ – Americans will not buy American anymore than the uk will buy U.K. If the cost is more than we are prepared to pay.
No one will pay $5 a litre when it’s $5 a gallon and they definitely won’t pay the equivalent difference for other stuff – the exact reason they have a rust belt.
American industry is too expensive.
Nothing the orange idiot can do to change that unless he has billions stashed somewhere to subside it.
Even if he does they won’t wear that as something else will lose out.

I wonder if his company will also need to apply these rules as well?

I have never known a poster on here be so openly mocked by so many as jamby is for his “facts”

Is jamby fact just the polite way of calling him a liar and saying he is a BS ? I am never really sure what it actually means

Americans will not buy American anymore than the uk will buy U.K. If the cost is more than we are prepared to pay.

You say that as if there is a linear relationship between cost of production and retail price. For the vast majority of consumer goods that couldn’t be further from the truth.

We’re gonna have the best sharks. Trust me. I know sharks. Great fish. And we’re gonna put laser beams on their heads. It’s gonna be great. Bigly.

😀

Is jamby fact just the polite way of calling him a liar and saying he is a BS ? I am never really sure what it actually means

They’re not lies as such, they’re just dispatches from an alternate reality.

I never quite get the Hillary Benghazi thing . Republicans blocked extra funding for embassy security , embassy hit by attack Hillary follows a standard but military sound maxim of not reinforcing failure by sending in the few resources in the area which would have been too little too late. Thus saving us lives . The Administration condemn the attack and declare they will get revenge but don’t use the T word until the background is known . H is held personally responsible as if she ordered it and as if it was the worst attack on the US ever ?

I know there isn’t ninfan but every economy out there will will pay the least they can for stuff.
Internet shopping is proof of that.
How many will actually[/I] pay more when they can have it next day, free delivery, free returns, etc with a couple of clicks….,
So unless “murica ” are going to support subsided loss leaders the rust belt will remain so

Using similar orders, the new president also signed into law a new national day of patriotism

And it starts….

Protectionism is one way that can work. Perhaps the only way.

Protectionism you say

the septics do like crap cars

@hammyuk – But you’re mixing up supply side and consumer choice

If it’s cheaper for the manufacturer to produce domestically than abroad, they will. Trumps threatened import tariffs are a hugely potent weapon, without a direct impact on retail price – because the price is not only set by what the market will bear, but an increase in production cost of many goods would have no significant effect on the margin. Apple is probably one of the best examples there, production and assembly is estimated at about $5, out of a manufacturing cost of about $220. If it cost even four times as much to produce/assemble in the USA, then the effect on manufacturing costs is small, and the effect on retail margin insignificant.

There’s a reason it became a rust belt – the same one worldwide.
£/€/$ – Americans will not buy American anymore than the uk will buy U.K. If the cost is more than we are prepared to pay.

Yep. Trump said he’ll force Apple to make iPhones in the US.

There are good reasons that they (along with lots of other smartphones and tablets) are made in China by Foxcon. Cost and working conditions. Foxcon employees live on site and work long hours doing repetitive tasks for very little money (in dollar terms). Very little in the way of employee rights or possibility of promotion. Are these really the jobs the US wants back?

Plus Foxcon have already decided that a meatbag production workforce is too expensive and are in the process of replacing them with “Foxbots”. They produce 10,000 Foxbots a year to do this. Those jobs are gone and no amount of rhetoric will bring them back.

http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/30/14128870/foxconn-robots-automation-apple-iphone-china-manufacturing

I’m not ninfan – I’m looking at it from an overall perspective.
Unless Trump is able to find a ridiculous amount of money to bring that cost down to an acceptable level then those manufacturers that walked and/or went pop in the first place thus creating the “rust belt” are not going to move back to the US along with the $billions it will cost to rebuild the now crumbling infrastructure.
Same reason Detroit, etc are wastelands.
The effect on retail margin might seem insignificant but add that up across everything sold and the profit margin decreases – that is the bottom line that will stop them coming back.

There are good reasons that they (along with lots of other smartphones and tablets) are made in China by Foxcon. Cost and working conditions.

And also know-how: Foxconn are pretty amazing at making stuff.

They make a number of product for us; it’s astonishing what they do, and the volumes they produce. They have rows of PCB reflow machines stacked in-line with pick-and-place machines. Each one of those machines must cost a fortune.

They’ve got some lines using people, but others that are completely automated (using a robot arm and some magic).
I wonder if there are that many places in the US that could replicate that now.

..assembly is estimated at about $5, out of a manufacturing cost of about $220. If it cost even four times as much to produce/assemble in the USA, then the effect on manufacturing costs is small…

Small numbers make big differences at these scales though. I’ve worked with electronics manufacturers who will happily rejig a design to save a penny or two on a part.

Foxconn’s Zhengzhou factory alone produces 500,000 iPhones a day. So you’re talking about the difference between a bill of $2,500,000 a day compared to $10,000,000 a day (and even then I think you are grossly underestimating at four times the cost).

Apple is probably one of the best examples there, production and assembly is estimated at about $5, out of a manufacturing cost of about $220. If it cost even four times as much to produce/assemble in the USA, then the effect on manufacturing costs is small, and the effect on retail margin insignificant.

$15 is essentially all of our margin and then some. Consumer electronics is utterly cut-throat and that would double the cost of our products.

They make a number of product for us; it’s astonishing what they do, and the volumes they produce. They have rows of PCB reflow machines stacked in-line with pick-and-place machines. Each one of those machines must cost a fortune.

There’s the rub. Investment. It’s been the catalyst for the Far East economy.

Bit of a tangent, but

We are looking at outsourcing our DNA sequencing to the Beijing genomics institute, our big £ multi million sequencing project is becoming very expensie , here in the UK as all consumables and equipment are priced in USD, reducing the power of the study and the chances of future funding for the institute.
Even though BGI charge us in USD they are still incredibly competitive, using the same US made machines but on a huge scale.
http://www.nature.com/news/china-s-bid-to-be-a-dna-superpower-1.20121

They have just opened an incredibly cheap new programme for beta testing I’m guessing using their own technology, but they have big backing from the government, that only America rivals.
The price they are offering is way below anything we can match here. Or in the USA.

The world has changed.

The world has changed.

I think you will find we recently voted to turn the clocks back to 1963.

Even when silent, you sound loud. You are, in fact, an avalanche of contradictions: real and unreal, scary yet amusing, fact and fiction rolled into one – like a little rubber Mount Rushmore blown up to actual size by the use of helium. You confuse us. We want to laugh at your stumbles, but are petrified by what those stumbles may lead to. You are the worst person ever; and yet not as bad as Mike Pence.

But you do have a definite sense of purpose. While Hillary Clinton hedged and played the game, you said it straight. You’ve been very clear: deport, build, repeal, replace. Everywhere you go, you shatter ossified politics. You slice through frozen convention like an icebreaker: set on a steady forward direction, leaving a stinking slick of oil and dead fish parts in its wake.

It was worth it, though, because of where you are now. This is the best moment, isn’t it? Just as you’ve taken the oath of office, but still not worn down by that office. Frozen in your moment of history. All those doubters, the mewling enemies and haters, are silenced now: you are the 45th president of the US. That’s a fact. It’s true.

They used to tease you about your attitude to the truth, didn’t they? All your post-reality fictoid-facts, like how global warming was a myth invented by the Chinese, how you respected all women without exception, except the greedy, grasping, ugly ones who were trying to suck you dry, how Obama wasn’t born in America, and also how you put everyone right when you said he was.

And that rigged election: you had evidence the election was rigged against you and you were going to lose, and then, when you won it fair and square, you had proof you would have won it even more fairly and squarely had it not been rigged against you so you couldn’t win so bigly. And now they say the Russians rigged the election, and you say the election wasn’t rigged, it was never rigged, and you’ve been saying for months: it was never rigged.

Yes, you were mocked nightly by damp-souled liberals who joked you couldn’t tell fact from fantasy. Well, guess what? If you now tweeted, “I am the 45th president of the United States”, not a single person would doubt you. Because it’s true. You’re the president. Fact! No scientist, no economist, no so-called expert can call you out. You are literally the most important man on Earth, in the solar system, maybe even the galaxy. Right now, everything in the universe revolves around you.

But then comes the hard bit. The bit after this week. The rest of the presidency. That’s the bit others say can’t be controlled. Something will go wrong. Some screwball no-mark in some pointless department will answer a letter to an elector, and end up saying the wrong thing about China, or single moms, or car manufacturers, or dyslexia, thinking that they’re echoing your opinion. Then your enemies will report it, and then people will think it came from you. Then your press secretary will deny that’s what you meant and blame the no-mark, and name her. Then the no-mark will complain about sexism or bullying or some such artificial crime. Then you’ll act big, go against expectations, and apologise to that person.

Then some other people, your enemies, will imply you’re a pussy. Your staff who attacked her and defended you, will express annoyance that you are contradicting what they’re saying. Then the person you apologised to, well, she’ll get arrogant and say how upset she was by what happened, and then you’ll have to tweet what she was really like when you met her, how annoying she was, how she’s just looking for a bigger job and a TV contract, and how you’re going to ask Congress to look into that department she works for and find out what’s going on.

But, even then, it won’t go away, and there’ll be maybe a hundred other little, stupid stories like that which will never leave you alone, all because other people are fools and losers. And so one night, you’ll tweet something bad about China and single moms and car manufacturers and dyslexics, all in one tweet, and the whole cycle will start all over again, and take up so much time, it’ll look like that wall will never get built.

And so, for the next four years, you’ll try to do stuff. With luck, the next eight years. (If your plan comes right, the next 12, even 16 years, too.) But this crap will keep coming up, won’t it? This not-smart, so-overrated nonsense from the false media, determined to undermine you. They’ll say you’re mishandling foreign affairs, causing conflict and hardship, arousing enmity, bitterness and division. It’s all designed to make people not like you, isn’t it? But you can get round that. You will tell people, again and again, that they do like you. That everything else they’ve heard isn’t true. And it will work. It always works.

You will explain that the things that come from your mouth are not necessarily the things that come from your heart. You will remind people that things are true not when they are real but when you believe them. You will urge the media to concentrate on covering people’s fears and feelings, rather than the dull objects and information that clutter up their potentially beautiful lives.

Why don’t crime reporters report that people feel a bit funny about Mexicans? Why don’t economists measure how freaked out people are about what might happen to their jobs one day, especially if your enemies were in charge? Why don’t the weather people point out, at the end of the show, just how everyone is feeling so much better because of the work you’re doing, and how that’s making them cope with whatever rain or cloud comes their way? Why don’t newscasters show the graphs that prove that anyone who fires a gun in America might well be a Muslim?

Of course, the liberal media will have fun, won’t they, doing their little crazy skits about how there’s no need for reporters any more because we just have to say whatever it is we think sounds true. “Over now to our Chief-Bad-Feeling-About-China correspondent”; “We join our crime correspondent live outside the home of a suspicious couple new to the neighbourhood who keep themselves to themselves”; “And that’s all we’ve got time for. Join us tomorrow night at seven for another edition of What The Hell’s Going On?” Unfunny. You haven’t seen these skits (they haven’t been written), but they’re just so lame, aren’t they?

No, how you govern will be so special, and so different from that pathetic portrayal. You’re going to bring into your administration a whole heap of talented people who will oversee a climate change in the way facts are considered. You will bring in financial experts who will reassure everyone that, no matter what the markets say, everyone is, in fact, fine. You will bring in law experts who will prove categorically that anyone who feels their civil liberties are being infringed are themselves infringing the civil liberties of the vast majority who voted to change them. And, above all, you will persuade everyone, especially those who tell you that you polled nearly three million votes fewer than Hillary, that you do have a mandate – since you believe you do, and it feels like the vast majority of people believe you do, too. And that’s evidence no money can buy.

That’s how you will govern. Properly, effectively. Why, if the economy goes bad, or promised laws aren’t passed, or a war breaks out, why spend time and money and precious energy dealing with those things? Isn’t it more efficient to persuade people that they aren’t happening? Think what money that would save, putting dollars back in the pocket of every American. You will do a deal with the American people, a great big beautiful deal, the ultimate deal, and they will absolutely love it. What you’ve done is started a revolution, a movement. You’ve taught people to believe not what is empirically true but what is emotionally true, which is a better truth. You’ve set free the credulity of the people.

So here is another undeniable fact. Soon the consequences of what you are doing will spread throughout the world. And, once done, they can’t be undone. Yes, you will be remembered for a very, very long time. Fact.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/21/letter-to-donald-trump-president-armando-iannucci

16 years?

Standard despot 101, get in power then change rules so you can stay in power.

slowster – Member

Ronald Reagan was similarly demonised by the left, especially outside the USA, but I think was widely considered by most Americans to have been a very good President (and to have been much smarter than many gave him credit for being).

I saw that BBC News was repeating that Reagan myth yesterday. 30 years after the Reagan presidency the world is still trying to cope with disastrous consequences of Reagan’s legacy. Indeed is hard to fathom just how much human misery on a global scale the Reagan presidency has caused.

I am of course referring to, firstly, the deregulation of the financially institutions – a policy which directly led to the eventual collapse of Lehman Brothers, the Credit Crisis Of 2008, the Euro Crises, and recessions across the world.

Ironically it is those Americans who are still facing the hardships caused by the Credit Crisis Of 2008 that Donald Trump relied on to win the presidential election.

And secondly, the recruiting, financing, arming, and training, of Osama bin Laden and his supporters. The Reagan presidency was absolutely indispensable in laying the foundations for global Islamic terrorism as we now know it today.

You need to be either in denial or clueless to be unaware of Reagan’s legacy.

Having said that how much Reagan himself was personally responsible isn’t certain imo as he clearly was intellectually compromised, not least by the early stages of Alzheimer’s – his son claims that Reagan’s mental condition deteriorated during his first presidential term.

Of course Donald Trump is a completely different person and there is no need to conclude that he will also leave a devastating legacy on the world. Although he might.

The margins on Apple products are huge, it’s an extremely profitable company – $250bn in cash stashed offshore. (Trump will address this too)

They can afford to make the phones in the US and Foxconn can out their fancy machines there

A 30-40% import tax would be far more expensive for Apple to bear than making the phones in the US