Creationist religious nutjob on R4 "One to One 9.30am"

Imagine a world without all that fantastic Art and Music and Great Buildings and Literature all inspired or influenced by Religion in one way or another. Our cultural history would be pretty empty.

Nah, they’d have found plenty of other things to draw.

As for ‘evil’, I don’t think it really exists. People are good, misguided, stupid, inconsiderate, selfish or amoral. I don’t think any of those things is actually evil.

the evaluation of those events in a moralistic way is a purely human construct

Yep, and as such it’s relative.

Nah, they’d have found plenty of other things to draw.

And fight about

Oh, we’re getting deep now, the Port or Brandy must be kicking in.

nah Molgrips some of the best buildings and sculpture ever have been built and funded by religion. Some of those great artists and craftsmen would just be messing about with charcoal for pennies otherwise! Michaelangelo would’ve been sat about doing portraits in the square rather than jazzing up the Sistine chapel with the best Art materials at the time. Back in the day the big jobs were paid for by the church or Royalty. The only reason some of the good stuff still exists is cos it was tucked away in Gods House for Centuries 😉

some of the best buildings and sculpture ever have been built and funded by religion.

That’s true. But I do not believe that if it wasn’t for religion we’d have sat about picking our noses instead of building nice stuff. The desire to create is innate, and the desire to see nice things is also innate.

Maybe if the church hadn’t been spuffing money up the wall trying to impress other rich people they could have been helping the poor or something.

You can’t say for sure what would have happened. And before you pick holes in me, look at the words in bold.

alright! I’m just typing train of though stuff, not saying I’m right like I think maybe in the past some of the best stuff was created to be like God? or in reverence to a God. To achieve greatness. It’s not like that now, but you can’t deny that Religion also has had a positive effect on humans. I’m being Devils advocate here btw.

Scientific discovery was held back for centuries by religious dogma, Galileo was in all sorts of trouble was he not? For pointing out that the powerful religious folk had got a whole load of their facts wrong. Where might we be now if the money spent on art back in medieval times was spent on social and scientific development?

And Unicorns – I mean I have no proof of those but I can make up some outlandish stories riddled with innacuracies if it helps?

Unicorns exist! They’re fat and grey, and more commonly known as rhinos.

I have never ever met an intelligent AND educated believer.

I have. Guy at work is one of the most intelligent men I’ve ever met, knows loads about all aspects of science, is currently learning Russian for fun. He’s a Christian. I had a lengthy debate about it, it boils down to compartmentalising.

Don’t 90% of Earths population have some sort of religious belief?

Do they? Stats please.

Scientific discovery was held back for centuries by religious dogma

Yeah, look how scientifically advanced those places without the constraints of such religions became.

I dunno the stats Cougar it’s just a bit of dialogue I remember from that film “Contact” 😆

Never mind, saved you the bother.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

Seems it’s not far off.

Adherents 	Percentage of world population
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World pop. 	6.9 billion
Christianity 	2,331,509,000 	34%
Islam    	1,619,314,000 	23%
No religion 	1,100,000,000 	16%
Hinduism 	1,083,800,358 	15%
Buddhism 	690,847,214 	10%
Total    	6.8 billion 	93%

Wow.

what about all the other cultures that believe in a higher being or something “other”. It’s the same thing right? It’s a belief system. just doesn’t have a label? To me, that evidence suggest it’s a pretty important part of being Human. Mindless Creationists can go suck a F&*^ though lol.

Peer reviewed double blind tested court admissible evidence?

Not the old 29er vs 26 debate again?

Yeah, look how scientifically advanced those places without the constraints of such religions became.

Well all I’m saying is that Galileo and others were persecuted by the religious powers because they challenged the status quo with reality. It is because the constraints of religion relaxed that scientific development was able to flourish.

That’s enough for me for tonight, will this still be going tomorrow? Kind of hope not 🙂

Scientific discovery was held back for centuries by religious dogma, Galileo was in all sorts of trouble was he not?

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html

Might just be chrisitianity marvin. Islam did pretty well with it.

Cougar, does Sikhism add much to that? Last of the big 5

Where might we be now if the money spent on art back in medieval times was spent on social and scientific development?

Well, I live at sea level. So at a guess 5 meters underwater.

So some scientists believe in God. Good for them. What’s that got to do with anything, it’s just more people who believe something for no discernible reason other than it makes them feel good. I am pretty sure they didn’t organise themselves into a powerful group in order to control the lives of the vast majority though.

Well, I live at sea level. So at a guess 5 meters underwater.

But the hoverboard would have been invented and we would be living on Mars so no worries!

And we would finally, definitively know which tyres were best for all Martian conditions, not to mention the optimal wheel size.

Cougar, does Sikhism add much to that? Last of the big 5

Dunno, I posted the source link above. Sikh and ye shall find, hehehe.

😆

An interesting and telling statistic (if you can find it) might be to compare the level of religious belief in first world countries with a largely educated population, against third world countries.

Found it.

Telling I think.

Not much for Sikhism, it seems. Less than 1%.

The world maps are really interesting. For instance,

Percentage of people who are / aren’t religious, by country (darker = more irreligious):

EDIT – simultaneous posts.

Note: Will people stop using Wikipedia as a reference. It’s shite. They can even spell ‘paedia’!

Scientific discovery was held back for centuries by religious dogma

Held back by the Catholic church, you mean.

Did all catholics think the same way? You have no idea.

This is the same old crap. People thinking they are being oh so clever when in fact they are being simple and are too simple to realise how simple they are being.

G’night.

Did all catholics think the same way? You have no idea.

They don’t have to, only those in charge matter.

Will people stop using Wikipedia as a reference. It’s shite.

… in your opinion.

The ‘importance of religion’ map they have is based on Gallup data, same as yours.

molgrips you may be right. Only a few of us realize how simple we really are.

… in your opinion.

And a great many others. There are so many glaring errors, some deliberate, some through ignorance.

T’was a general comment, not related to your map.

Is this the longest troll thread ever on stw?

Only a few of us realize how simple we really are.

One only has to look at the wonders found it nature, to see not only how simple we are, but in many ways, how backward.

Held back by the Catholic church, you mean.

Did all catholics think the same way? You have no idea.

well there is a big book that tells them what to think, a leader on earth who tells them what to think [ infallibly of course] an organised religion that tells them what to think and a priest who tells them what to think just in case they forget.

This is the same old crap. People thinking they are being oh so clever when in fact they are being simple and are too simple to realise how simple they are being.

I dont get your point nor your strop tbh.
Religion held back science because every time it disagreed with the bible they objected and they had great power

Its not really that debatable tbh.

And a great many others.

As this thread ably proves, a lot of people believing something doesn’t make it fact.

There are so many glaring errors, some deliberate, some through ignorance.

So some people say. Never seems to be demonstrable though.

Those maps are interesting in the way that China sticks out as either not surveyed or not religious. I’m thinking not religious= not surveyed!

Those maps are interesting in the way that China sticks out as either not surveyed or not religious. I’m thinking not religious= not surveyed!

… is the correct answer.

Just for Tucker,

Never seems to be demonstrable though.

You jest surely? I see articles in the news almost weekly where some dozy **** here has copied off Wiki only to find (to their mortal embarrassment) that the information was nonsense.

You should start a new thread on this one, but good luck with that.

Edit: ‘Here’ meaning UK, not STW.

And a great many others. There are so many glaring errors, some deliberate, some through ignorance.

Probably true of a great many reference works, which have been written by individuals with a specific point of view. At least Wiki is open to review by anyone in the world with computer access. Once a reference book is published, it’s accepted as gospel (ha), until someone gets around to doing a critique, by which time the contents may well have been accepted as definitive. Many history books are like that, it’s the winners who write them, as a rule. I tend to be somewhat suspicious of political comment in Wiki, especially American, science, tech, and other stuff I accept as being essentially factual.

Eight ‘undred!