Conspiracy theorys……does anyone believe them?

do religions count as a conspiracy theory? they seem to have a lot of people hoodwinked

bearing in mind what we now know about these movements being infiltrated by those from law enforcement/government and automated forum posting/trolling.
What do we now know ?

we know that at least one copper shagged a load of hippy chicks

I don’t know if the whole conspiracy theorists/truth movement is more about just hunting down the one scrap of concrete evidence needed to prove that the powers that be are the exploitative manipulating **** that we all know them to be deep down..

To be honest, once you’ve torn up the rule book in the belief that it’s all utter bollocks, and you’re moving exclusively in like-minded circles, then it’s pretty hard to look back at conventional society and not think ‘hold on, there is something deeply **** sinister going on there..’

To be honest, once you’ve torn up the rule book in the belief that it’s all utter bollocks, and you’re moving exclusively in like-minded circles, then it’s pretty hard to look back at conventional society and not think ‘hold on, there is something deeply **** sinister going on here..’

True enough, but its just the same the other way round isnt it ?

when you live in conventional society, surrounded by like minded people, it’s hard not to look at the “truth seekers” and think “Hold on, those nutters will believe any old shit that’s fed to them” 😉

a paradox

Re nealglover
there are many cases of agent provocateurs causing havoc (at demonstrations for example) as well as usual embedded agents… this is pretty old hat and has been going on for decades. ( I might go into specifics but dont have time/access to bookmaks atm)

and yes (kimbers) the mark stone case was interesting aside from the shagging hippy chicks 🙂

What surprises me is the lengths(in terms of resources and time) that these organisations will go to in embedding personel for such limited objectives. I suppose you only need to have the occasional outting to spook the whole community (and knowing folk who knew pc stone, they were really spooked)
the one that gets me is the social media thing.
this was insightful I thought:
http://rt.com/usa/news/trapwire-abraxas-cubic-surveillance-251/
although russia today has a tendency towards the alex jones end of the spectrum.
I ve seen a few similar stories recently, im not able to get to my bookmarks atm but will post a few others which have got me thinking recently.
its certainly interesting the shape of the paradox. I think the topic has been summed up quite well!
I think though that recently the mainstream has been focussing on things which are not right and just, yesterday i watched the recent panorama about tax evasion which has been going on for years and just hit the mainstream.
thing about corruption in my experience is that it is the norm in all countries in the world. the difference is how good people are at covering their tracks/arses!

Didn’t the Press have quite a large conspiracy involving both the police and the politicians?

thought these were quite good on the social media bot side of things:

http://www.itnews.com.au/News/313493,russia-creates-social-media-propaganda-systems.aspx

How Bad Is Bot Abuse For Social Network Brands? [Infographic]

The problem with a conspiracy is as soon as one is declared the tin foil hats take every denial as proof that it exists.

They can’t be disproved only proved.

Do I believe in them not so much.
Do I believe that there are governments doing things in secret then sure thats just life. The grand ones on mass poisonings, moon landings etc are just balls (IMHO)

The main reasons generally come down to
People not being good at keeping secrets – some have but not that many
People actually being organised enough.

Knights templar, bohemian grove, bilderberg summits, NWO, aspartame, google me please

I always thought conspiracy theories were thought up by dumb people who sounded good. Someone sees something they don’t understand like a moon landing and immediately comes up with a ridiculous theory to cover up their lack of understanding. Then they start talking about it and because they’re a good orator or are fairly charismatic they get listened to. The unfortunate thing is that the internet provides a platform where dumb people can reach a much wider audience of other dumb people.

It’s *exactly* the same as religion.

Oh, and STW I’ve just realised.

See Disk brake cleaner, cycling specific socks and bedding pads in. 😉

Some people appear to believe that all conspiracy theories have been false, ie, that never in human history has there ever been a conspiracy.

Most peculiar …… as peculiar as believing that there have been no moon landings or that Princess Diana was assassinated.

There are a few questions about the moon landings I would like answered.
The radiation on the moon is immense. All their photos came out perfectly and as far as I know the lunar astronauts didn’t develop cancer.
If the moon suits are so fantastic at deflecting radiation why aren’t they worn by people at nuclear accidents?
If I never post again you will know that I got to close to the(ir) truth.

And facing BB shells

If I never post again you will know that I got to close to the(ir) truth.

Likewise. I expect the disk brake cleaning industry is already mobilising its ‘extreme predudice’ killing squads.

looking at the current swathe of protests in southern europe, this one caught my attention:

http://youtu.be/zrO_t3vHovQ

Personally I want to find out the real truth behind Eccentric Bottom Brackets.

Sometimes they’re not even dumb people. I once worked with an extremely bright chap. One day in the pub he spent 30 mins explaining about the 9-11 conspiracy stuff and how it was all true and that he’d seen stuff online that was proof. He sent me a huge pile of links to articles and videos that proved it but was all from other foil-hat wearers. I ignored the subject after that as it seemed like it was almost a mental illness.

Conspiracy theories tend to credit those supposedly orchestrating them with the ability to organise a piss up in a brewery. When you then look at said accused, this tends to become somewhat difficult to believe

“conspiracy thorist” is a more polite way of saying “attention whore” isn’t it?

some people deliberately go through life trying really hard to be different so they’re noticed. bit like a kid playing up when it wants attention.

There are a few questions about the moon landings I would like answered.
The radiation on the moon is immense. All their photos came out perfectly and as far as I know the lunar astronauts didn’t develop cancer.
If the moon suits are so fantastic at deflecting radiation why aren’t they worn by people at nuclear accidents?
If I never post again you will know that I got to close to the(ir) truth.

It is reckoned that for the Moon Landings to have been a Hoax, it would be a conspiracy involving between 400,000 and 450,000 people.

Pretty strange that nobody from that number has ever come forward, in 40 odd years, with anything to show it as a Hoax ?

some people deliberately go through life trying really hard to be different so they’re noticed. bit like a kid playing up when it wants attention.

…as far as I know the lunar astronauts didn’t develop cancer.

How about cataracts?
It’s the ‘know enough to get it very wrong’ thing in action. We’re taught radiation = cancer, if there was radiation there would be cancer, but really things are a little bit more complicated than that. Similarly to the ‘moon is really hot cause of the sun’ without adequate consideration of the forms of heat transfer at play in an environment with no air.
The great thing is that you could build a rocket, stick a camera on it and have a look. There are photos of the landing site that have been taken recently, yet when this is presented as evidence, deniers claim the stuff and tracks were deployed at a later date by robots…

Aren’t there mirrors on the moon too that the so called astronauts put there?

I think there was a conspiracy to keep any stories about Jimmy Saville being a paedophile covered up. It would have involved various folk in the media, the press and the judiciary but maybe not as many as covered up the (non) moon landings.

I think there’s probably plenty that we’re not privy to, and I wouldn’t trust any government to be completely honest with the general populace, for a whole host of valid and not-so-valid reasons.

However, anyone how genuinely thinks that the moon landings were faked is, if you’ll pardon the pun, a lunatic of the highest order. Apart from anything else, don’t you think the Russians might have noticed?

Call me a theorist if you want but I don’t think Dr Kelly really ate a load of co proxamol and cut his wrist on his own.

aspartame

My mate is a industrial food technologist. He designs many of the ready-meals and processed meat products we buy in the supermarket. He told me not to consume anything containing aspartame. If it was anyone else, I would ignore them. But Rich knows his business.

Your logical fallacy is: False Authority Syndrome. Thanks for playing. Who’s next?

Call me a theorist if you want but I don’t think Dr Kelly really ate a load of co proxamol and cut his wrist on his own.

My Father-In-Law was a close friend of his (best man at his wedding, I believe). He doesn’t think so either.

The sinking of the Titanic was an insurance fiddle.

I’ve read it in an actual book, not the internet, so it must be true.

Call me a theorist if you want but I don’t think Dr Kelly really ate a load of co proxamol and cut his wrist on his own.

I get what you’re saying but what theory are you floating. What we have so far is a conspiracy suggestion, not a theory

I get what you’re saying but what theory are you floating. What we have so far is a conspiracy suggestion, not a theory

I’m not the most creative person I’m afraid but imagining he was helped along by people called “they”, an unshaven dwarf with a leather coat and a people carrier with blacked out windows.

an unshaven dwarf

this is where your theory falls down..
everyone knows that unshaven dwarves are inherently good.. it’s the dastardly little hairless guys that you have to watch out for..

Like dopey. Of course.
Damn it.

Dr Kelly’s death was extensively discussed in my peer group. Absolutely no-one thinks it was suicide. We’re just not sure who paid the murderer.

And there were no WMDs in Iraq just a sexed up dossier, it was Bush’s private war; which was a former conspiracy theory.

We’re just not sure who paid the murderer.

Well, buzz if you followed the thread you’d know that it was quite clearly snow white.

I remember at the time of the incident thinking Robert Maxwell’s fall from his yacht given everything that was going on around him (~£400 million siphoned out of Mirror pension fund) seemed a bit, well, convenient. It’s only googling it now that I find all sorts of theories about him and his death. To be honest my own “theory” at the time; that his death was faked and he was whisked away to Israel with the help of Mossad to live out his last few years with his ill-gotten millions (shared with the state) was more outlandish than the murder theories 😯

I’ve never accepted ‘official’ versions of anything even when you look at historical stuff now, it’s different from what was touted at the time.

I’ve had my doubts about the Diana thing ever since being told it was going to happen three weeks prior by a pal who was working in the personal protection business at the time, he then denied he ever said it even though he claimed she was pregnant, was threatening conversion to the Muslim faith and likely it would be a car accident.

The other theory I’ve always believed is the death of JFK at the hands of the ‘Industrial Military Combine’ via the CIA, rather than Lee Harvey Oswald and the Cuban interests..

If you ever visit Cuba, pay a visit to their museum of the revolution, it’s a total eye opener if you happened to live through that period as I did as a youth.

‘Nothing is as it seems’ I think sums up life very well that and ‘don’t believe everything your read in the papers, except the Daily Mail of course 😉