Commuter "Non Cyclists" W@nkers

@ransos I’m afraid I can’t be bothered to read much of what you have been woffling on about – far too much of it for a simple issue – so I didn’t bother reading the context of the quote I snipped from you.

My issue is that folks (like you?) who like to bang on about this sort of stuff quoting highway codes and like have rather lost perspective. If we all (yes we are all in it together irrespective of our choice of mode of transport) just focussed on being courteous and thinking about how our actions effect the needs and desires of others we could focus on more positive issues.

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@ransos

Repeating stuff doesn’t make it any less untrue than the last time you posted it. And telling me what I posted doesn’t make that true either.

Your just trolling now.

Bloody hell.

I kept reading this because I’ve contributed. I possibly stirred a bit as well, but that’s because I wanted to make a point, but the discussion’s got so poisonous and polarising it’s actually moving people away from common sense.

– Shades of grey – some thngs are fine, some things aren’t most people probably agree on what these are.

– Most people are sensible.

– Most people are sensible and considerate, and those that aren’t will need more than a polite word to change their ways.

Be considerate. Don’t be a ****. Don’t wind people up for the sake of making a point. Live and let live. put yourself honestly in the other’s shoes. Be the bigger person. Stop this bloody snipy thread.

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@ransos

Repeating stuff doesn’t make it any less untrue than the last time you posted it. And telling me what I posted doesn’t make that true either.

Your just trolling now.

Happily for everyone else, your posts haven’t disappeared, so they can make their own judgements on the merits of your arguments. Assuming that they can find any.

@ransos I’m afraid I can’t be bothered to read much of what you have been woffling on about – far too much of it for a simple issue – so I didn’t bother reading the context of the quote I snipped from you.

My issue is that folks (like you?) who like to bang on about this sort of stuff quoting highway codes and like have rather lost perspective. If we all (yes we are all in it together irrespective of our choice of mode of transport) just focussed on being courteous and thinking about how our action effect the needs and desires of others we could focus on more positive issues.

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So you can’t be bothered to read what I said, yet presume to know what I think.

You’re a real genius.

Ransos – “Happily for everyone else, your posts haven’t disappeared, so they can make their own judgements on the merits of your arguments. Assuming that they can find any.”

Nice. 🙄

Any cyclist who runs a red light (imo) should be prosecuted (£30 fixed penalty).

To enforce such a policy would mean having the police permanently manning every single set of lights in the country. Do you think that’s an appropriate use of finite resources?

As I said earlier, I don’t condone cyclists RLJing, but in the big scheme of things, is it really that serious?

Happily for everyone else, your posts haven’t disappeared, so they can make their own judgements on the merits of your arguments. Assuming that they can find any.

Yup and all your blatant and unpopular trolling is still writhing around google for anyone else to see…

Exibit A
http://www.cyclechat.net/topic/19096-pavement-cyclingrlj/

I know what you think because I have met your type many times before – you’re a dribbler who just like the sound of their own voice (or type) and thinks that repeating the same tired old points made ad nauseum by you and many before you makes your points more valid.

And with that I’ll take my own advice!

Go talk about tyres or something, I’m off to fix my forks!

Yup and all your blatant and unpopular trolling is still writhing around google for anyone else to see…

Exibit A
http://www.cyclechat.net/topic/19096-pavement-cyclingrlj/

Dear oh dear. Searching for me on the internet? You must be desperate…

@ ransos – i was mearly pointing out my views in ‘an ideal world’ clearly it would currently be far to impractical to enforce.

is it really that serious? – as serious a car jumping the red light imo.

however you carry on – just expect a 3-5 years life expectancy

I know what you think

Who do you think you are, Mystic Meg?

@ ransos – i was mearly pointing out my views in ‘an ideal world’ clearly it would currently be far to impractical to enforce.

is it really that serious? – as serious a car jumping the red light imo.

I wasn’t picking on you! But surely there’s a difference (to pick two examples) between 1.5 tonnes of metal hurtling through the lights at 40mph, and a cyclist creeping through at 5mph, having given way?

not if theres a car coming the other way (through the green) hitting you the cyclist – sure you wont do any damage to him, but def will to you.

traffic lights are there for the safty of all users, ok they slow us up – but i’d rather be alive at the end of my 30 min commute.

running red lights really really really really annoys me – it’s so unnecessary – and the amount of times I’ve talked to drivers who just tar all cyclists with the same brush because of the RLJs annoys me – it really does make drivers more aggressive to you and less likely to give you space.

I haven’t come across any situation where it is safer to jump UNLESS there is a bus doing the fairly regular tailgating a cyclist trick – in which case, run away!

The point about the fixed penalty is interesting – I inadvertently ran through on amber once and was stopped by a motorcycle cop (see a thread back years ago on here) – waste of time = YES, did he fine me = NO – why not!!! I should have been fined (if he thinks it was red)…if more people were fined it would reduce the occurrence…and talk to most motorcycle police and they will tell you of how many cyclists are injured running lights.

still…there you go – people are quite set in their ways.

(experience = 5 years of London commuting for what it’s worth)

Being discourteous (inconsiderate) to other road users is an offence. No he didn’t need to do those individual things by law, but by choosing not to, with no good reason he was acting inconsiderately.

You are barrel scrapping now IMHO. Claiming the cyclists are somehow breaking the law is tenuous in the extreme but i suppose it is all you have left
At least now you are accepting they could be there legally just that this legal right was now discourteous as you had to go a it slower than you wanted.

I was thinking more about the effect on other people…I really don’t think that RLJing on a bike is as serious as doing so in a car.

I used to be of the view that we should stop because it sets a good example, but have come to the conclusion that there’s a sizeable minority of motorists who hate us regardless of how we behave!

In the cyclying communty i’ve known over the last 20-25 yrs i know of only one case where some one got a Fixed penalty – for riding on the pavement with no lights (2x £30 fines) at night. However if he’d been on the road (with no lights) it would have been a single fixed penalty, but go figure – but thats a whole other thread topic.

Junkyard – Did you also read this?

“Courtesy goes both ways of course. The “I can, so I will” cycle militants really get my goat.”

there are indeed – but it is the individual situation…I’ve seen cars deliberately tailgate or squeeze a bike off the road for RLJ or equivalent – it’s not nice…

how do you know that you’ve not just done it in front of one of those drivers???

If it wasn’t for an alleyway i’d have been flattened by a car that nearly knocked my wife off her bike by cutting in front…I gave him the international w***** symbol and he went nuts and chased us along the road.

The real point is this – even on a 40 minute commute, if you get a gold run of green lights you’ll only be say 5 minutes quicker than if you stop at all of them – so just stop!!!!

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.

I’m off out on my bike chasing cars now.

‘I was thinking more about the effect on other people…I really don’t think that RLJing on a bike is as serious as doing so in a car.’

but if your RLJ’ing causes an acciddent – for which you’d be at fault – the car / lorry / bus driver would also be at fault (in the eyes of the law) and have a possecution. If the collision caused your death, think about that impact on the driver and there family.

but if your RLJ’ing causes an acciddent – for which you’d be at fault – the car / lorry / bus driver would also be at fault (in the eyes of the law) and have a possecution. If the collision caused your death, think about that impact on the driver and there family.

I agree, but all things being equal, you have 1.5 tonnes of car vs 100kg of rider & bike.

Look at it this way: driving 1mph over the limit is an offence, but you will never be prosecuted for it. Yet it is possible that the extra 1mph is the difference between being able to avoid an accident, and not.

don’t think that’s a very similar analogy…

don’t think that’s a very similar analogy…

It wasn’t an analogy as such…more a comment on people’s perspective. Most people would think of breaking the limit by 1mph as not worthy of prosecution, yet when it comes to cyclists, minor misdemeanours should result in public hangings…

Is RLJ a minor misdemeanour though?

If a motor cyclist went throuigh at red cautiously?

All of the above leads me to believe…

……some but not all cyclists can be arrogant and inconsiderate to other road users…..

……some but not all pedestrians can be arrogant and inconsiderate to other road users…..

……some but not all drives can be arrogant and inconsiderate to other road users…..

bring any two of the above together and it creates a whole load of bollox……

opinions vary, get over it!!!

opinions vary, get over it!!!

Isnt that why forums exist? I.e to debate and get our opinions accross?

Is RLJ a minor misdemeanour though?

Sometimes – I don’t think it’s a binary issue. Even the government has recognised this with regard to pavement cycling.

In general yes unfortunately this one is populated by some particularly antagonistic cyber trolls

Passed the time for a bit, thanks all 🙂

Isn’t that why forums exist? I.e to debate and get our opinions accross?

Yes, but the dismal drawback of doing this in typey format is that people polarise their own viewpoints to get a reaction and the whole argument moves away from mutual understanding, rather than towards it.

If you had all of us in a room with a Top Gear style “cool wall” of behaviour on the road, chances are we’d be in agreement about what’s dickheaded and what isn’t.

People are deliberately arguing from selected instances and ignoring the middle ground. Which is where we all should, and probably do belong.

people on bikes can be total arseholes. Don’t let it wind you up.

True nedrapier, Oh and can this cool wall be not Top Gear style? I hate that programme 😉

Kevevs – Member
people on bikes forums can be total arseholes. Don’t let it wind you up.

wise words, hope you don’t mind me paraphrasing.

Martin, ‘fraid it does, at least until there’s a Singletrack Cool Wall.

God. the horror…

God. the horror…

😆

🙂 do you want a hug?

aw…

I’m trying to tread the “debate” route…hopefully a few folk will think twice when the red light appears…I’ll happily have a chat with you at the stoppers if you get bored waiting along the embankment…

actually – I bet the fella with the 12-24 cassette is a STW that I chatted to next to battersea bridge yesterday…

“Courtesy goes both ways of course. The “I can, so I will” cycle militants really get my goat.”

TBH I find people walking prams and especially double buggies on pavements or fat people especially two abreast on a pavement – not even a pedestrian zone- are discourteous. I cannot walk easily round them What should I do push past them ? **** “I can so I will “walkers
Obviously al road users [people] treating each other with respect is the solution but in the example cited the cyclist were doing something legal so I figure the courtesy onus is on the car.