Clocks going back

Is it time we did away with this pretty antiquated custom? I once read that the first Monday after we changed the clocks had a marked spike in accidents.

It’s high time we stopped whining about it every six months. 🙂

Presumably if we did do away with it, it would be going forward we’d get shut of rather than back. And honestly, unless it was done globally it’d probably cause more problems than it solved.

And honestly, unless it was done globally it’d probably cause more problems than it solved.

Why would it cause issues globally? Majority of countries dont change their clocks.  Admittedly be awkward for people dealing a lot with Europe but even then not overly difficult to adapt to.

In the west of Ireland we change the clocks but it gets dark at the latest at 5pm But back in blighty, down sarf 4pm. Just seems pointless nowadays.

Jeezus. Not this again.

Indeed. Didn’t we do this yesterday?

Daylight Saving! – The Movie Trailer

Majority of countries dont change their clocks.

No, but many do.

Didn’t the majority of the EU countries decide to do away with the time changes recently?

I think we would need to stay GMT+1 all year round which would probably defeat the GMT line. Screwed up face confused emoji.

Yeah, technically Spain is in the wrong time zone according to longitude… but they were just like “**** it” … deal with it.

im more for a change forward around the mid/end of feb – that is when the light evening start to pick up

Why would it cause issues globally?

Because our neighbouring countries are x hours different. Eg, the East coast of the US is -5 hours from UK time regardless of whether we’re on GMT or BST.

I think we would need to stay GMT+1 all year round which would probably defeat the GMT line.

Use UTC as the baseline instead.

Eg, the East coast of the US is -5 hours from UK time regardless of whether we’re on GMT or BST.

Not true. They change their clocks on different dates to us.

Yeah, but there’s like a week difference.

*some* years the Septics change their locks at a different date to us. But not every year. But any way it’s irrelevant in the 21st century as technology means you can avoid **** up what time it is.

However we should change to CET so we’re aligned with our closest (and largest) trading countries- ie western Europe – France, Germany, Italy, Spain especially.

Need to stop having the tail (Jocks and farmers)  wagging the dog.

My mobile still says 2.34. I always assumed it went back an hour at 2am?

I’ll see what it does at 3am. 🙂

Yes, i’m THAT boring.

Oh dear. Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

“I am Jack’s dawning realisation.”

Need to stop having the tail (Jocks and farmers)  wagging the dog.

Prevent it from barking with a juicy bone.

@poopscoop does this mean you’ll need to stay up again tonight to check if it changes at 2am or not?????

How about we compromise. Put the clocks forward every spring, but don’t put them back in the Autumn.

That year its British  summer time all year round, next year it will be double British summer time, then treble BST the year after

However we should change to CET so we’re aligned with our closest (and largest) trading countries- ie western Europe

If only to make the brexiteers fume 😉

UTC is the correct time to use.  Well TAI would be ultimately the right time IMHO, but UTC would be easier to convince.

Let each country/state decide what it’s normal trading/school hours are if it’s too light/dark ate certain times of the year.

Give all Scottish schoolchildren torches and hammer frozen sausages into the lawns of anybody that complains about the cost.

In autumn clock hands fall back
for that missing hour to reclaim.
This upsets our sleeping pattern,
now the brain we need to retrain.

Time then returns to normal
sending the body into shock.
We are messing around with time
by moving those hands on the clock.

We should keep the clock time fixed on UTC but change business hours by an hour in the summer to keep the scottish schoolchildren safe and happy 🙂

Give all Scottish schoolchildren torches

As someone who lives in Scotland, I can’t see the point of going back to GMT. Either way I’d be going out and coming home in the dark. It’s one of the two downsides of being up here, that and the unrelenting cold.

Yeah, but there’s like a week difference.

4 weeks this year where the time difference won’t be 5 hours.

but change business hours by an hour in the summer to keep the scottish schoolchildren safe and happy

There is a fairly convincing case for moving school hours to be later especially for teens to suit the body clocks better (puberty shifts the circadian rhythm).

Although obviously comes with lots of downsides regarding childcare etc.

Interesting….

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/10/26/most-countries-dont-observe-daylight-saving-time

Even more confusingly, Hawaii and Arizona don’t change their clocks at all.

Tho looks like the US might be winding the clock back a few decades in early November anyway

Just came back from a holiday in Arizona, who don’t do daylight saving (stay on Mountain Standard all year around). Navajo Nation do, while Hopi reservation do not. So we had one day we changed clocks 6 times going in and out of reservations and AZ state rules.

Also in Australia 3 states don’t have daylight saving, the rest do.

There was a piece on Radio 4 from the sleep society. They are lobbying for UTC all year round, to help circadian process (lighter mornings) in late spring and early autumn. You would think at least align the dates with the equinoxes.

Why would it cause issues globally?

Read “A Man of Shadows” by Jeff Noon to see how difficult things are when people disagree on what the time is.

Oh and geeky time zone fact :Kwajalein in the Marshall Islands used to be at UTC – 12 when the rest of the Marshalls were at UTC +12 so they were on a different day. This was partly because it’s a US Military base and they used to test fire missiles from west coast USA to land in the Kwaj lagoon, and keeping to the same day as the USA avoided awkward mistakes.

With a 7am flight to catch this couldn’t be better timed

Read “A Man of Shadows” by Jeff Noon to see how difficult things are when people disagree on what the time is.

I could but I am not sure of the relevance.

The question I was asking is why, bearing in mind most of the world doesnt adjust times and that those countries which do dont necessarily do it in sync with us, would it cause problems globally.

Sure be a bit of an arse updating systems to remove the check but nothing overly difficult. From experience the adjustment leads to more confusion when working with Asia when suddenly some meeting times start getting rejected.

Given the evidence of accidents etc there is a strong case to drop it vs an unclear case in its defence.

It’s the dyslexics I feel sorry for.

It must be terrifying waiting for your cocks to go black

(puberty shifts the circadian rhythm)

Gosh,I remember those times.We used to dance all night?

that and the unrelenting cold

#naeplacefirsofties.?

We should keep the clock time fixed on UTC but change business hours

and

There was a piece on Radio 4 from the sleep society. They are lobbying for UTC all year round

Ultimately it’s just a number. If you go to bed at 11pm BST, go to bed at 10pm after the clocks go back.

Ultimately it’s just a number. If you go to bed at 11pm BST, go to bed at 10pm after the clocks go back.

Apparently there’s more to it…though I’m still to be convinced. Something to do with Circadian rhythms. Was working with some academics of young adults and sleep cycles with a view to starting the school day later for older teens because it works better with their sleep cycle. I, like you, thought it was bobbins – if they went to bed an hour earlier and started working an hour earlier it would be just the same. I cited kids in France and south of England being only 20 miles away from each other but in different time zones……but apparently I was still wrong. Lots of reference to sleep experiments in cells devoid of day light or clocks and people of different ages settling into different rhythms.

It all sounded like bollox to me but people who know much more than me seem to think it’s a thing so what do I know.

“Ultimately it’s just a number. If you go to bed at 11pm BST, go to bed at 10pm after the clocks go back.”

Problem with that approach is when you get to work an hour earlier than everyone else in the morning and/or can’t do stuff in the evening that you wanted to.

Personally I try to use the October clocks going back as a cheat way in to being more productive in the mornings, if you flip your alarm from say 7am to 6am on Monday in real terms you’ll be getting up at the same time as last week and then use that freebie to try and build a pre work gym / run / swim habit before your body clock realises what you’ve done.

Also, my youngest was born at 1.45am on the sunday the clocks went back, they go back at 2am so for 45 minutes she was alive and simultaneously hadn’t been born yet if that makes sense. She’s 5 tomorrow which is the first time it’s fallen on a Sunday since.

Even if we had a standard time all through the year, we’d still be different to the rest of the world because time zones, and nothing can change that. It was the Great Western Railway that introduced a set time between London and Bristol, previously they had different times, so think yourselves lucky we only have daylight saving time to contend with twice a year.
It doesn’t bother me, I can’t quite understand why it does so many other people. *shrugs*

Problem with that approach is when you get to work an hour earlier than everyone else in the morning and/or can’t do stuff in the evening that you wanted to.

There’s still a fixed number of hours in the day. If you get up an hour earlier (by the clock), go to work an hour earlier, leave an hour earlier and go to bed an hour earlier, nothing’s changed overall.

If you cut three inches off the bottom edge of a towel and sew it back onto the top, the towel hasn’t shrunk or grown.