Climate change/oblivion: breaking point or slow death spiral?

More stuff means more activity.

The radioactivity of an isotope needs to be standardized for the mass. U234 is much more radioactive than U238. If you had a kg of each, the U234 would produce 20,000 times the radiation of the U238, but it would decay much faster. After about 5 million years, you would only have about 1 millionth of the U234 left, but the U238 would have barely decayed. U234 is much more radioactive because it decays faster.

And never forget the silent majority on these threads who are reading, understanding and thinking for themselves.

Yes, I’m pretty sure they are. As is invariably the case when someone disagrees with you, you turn it into a “woe is me” personal attack and beg for public sympathy. No one is impressed.

And never forget the silent majority on these threads

If they’re silent, why do you assume they’re a majority? More likely to be the other way around, surely. I think you mean the silent minority who stay quiet because they’re outnumbered. It doesn’t always mean they’re wrong, but it’s normally safe to assume that if most people who speak up disagree with you then your opinion is the minority opinion.

We can all read Wikipedia and we all did half-lives in school (and played with radioactive samples because some of us went to school a long time ago when risks were misunderstood – and still are it would appear).

But it’s just a distraction, aimed at devaluing FOE and Grenpeace objectives.

60 years of nuclear industry and the high-level waste is just stacked up in piles.

A series of accidents that couldn’t happen that did

Proliferation that’s made the world a powder keg and given the likes of Putin impunity to do just what the **** he wants: add other dictators here… .

Europe’s biggest nuclear plant currently in a war zone, another was hours away form losing power supply and going bang

Civil nuclear programmes end up as military nuclear programmes because states want to join the untouchable club.

At least as many lies and as much disinformation as the fossil fuel industry, but perhaps fewer than the fission fans

As I type this nuclear power is providing 14% of UK electricity generation. French electricity demand fell by 5% and gas by 15% following price hikes last year (and despite government subsidies). We can live without.

Reduce demand, increase renewables and run down existing nuclear. Not all of us are so keen on sleeping on plutonium.

The radioactivity of an isotope needs to be standardized for the mass.

No it doesn’t. We have  a specific term for that.  Activity is the activity of the sample. Specific activity is the activity per unit mass. So if you wanted to say that the specific activity of a long lived isotope was lower than the specific activity of a short lived one that would be kind of right. Although you still need to factor in the different atomic mass. But you can’t say that the activity of a long lived isotope is lower than the activity of a short lived one, which was my only point.

I’ll write you a precis:

Reduce demand, increase renewables and run down existing nuclear.

Edukator

High grade waste is both highly radioactive and for a very long time.

Great so we can pile it up and deal with it once we have the climate emergency under control.

Houns

The planet is ****ed, the evidence is there. Stop being selfish and think about all life on Earth (not just human) that is being impacted by the climate disaster.

To answer the question in the picture “what if it’s all a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?”

Have you considered what if climate change isn’t a big hoax and we waste our time **** about worrying about hen harriers or squirrels.

We need to worry about other species though. We’re losing life at an alarming rate. Lots of these creatures are a part of much wider, delicate systems. We have a duty of care as the supposed intelligent species. Look what happened when vultures started dying off in India. Replaced by feral dogs that started attacking people. Nothing worse than a vacuum in nature.

Boom and bust (with extinction if needs be) is nature’s methodology though.
That’s where humans are uniquely placed to actually *improve* on nature.
We are able to pause succession at various phases in order to maximise biodiversity should we so wish.
It’s one of the biggest problems with ‘rewilding’- mother natures idea for a newly abandoned, previously-managed habitat might be 50 years of blanket bracken for example.
Hazel coppice on a well managed pheasant shoot is a great example. A 10 acre patch of hazel, divided into 10x 1 acre coops and cut on rotation will have all the species that love freshly cut hazel, all the species that love 1-3yr old hazel etc etc all in one area.
Let it “rewild” and they will get tall and leggy, shade out the light and no ground layer will be able to exist. Not until the mature hazel trees start getting wind-blown in 40 years time will there be any diversity.
Grouse moors are another great example. Within each 10 acre chequerboard , you’ll have freshly burned spots for adders to bask and chicks to dry off, freshly sprouting regenerating plots providing high protein heather shoots for grouse, white hares and voles. You’ll have patches of mature heather flowering and buzzing with insects cashing in on the pollen and nectar. And you’ll have squares of rank, overstood old heather providing shade and protection from predators in summer and shelter and food in winter- even in deep snow drifts. All within easy reach.
Contrast that with a 300 acre Sitka Spruce forestry plantation of…. 🤷🏻‍♂️ acid soils and darkness?? Yet ‘tress good, toffs bad’ 🙄😴

Where species are declining- it is largely through neglectful changes in land use.
And usually nothing to do with climate change (may have mentioned that already 🤣).

@crosshair – do you have wet dreams about Trudeau dressed as a grouse?

If I’m passionate about it, it’s because creating diverse habitats is my life’s work. I can patiently explain it as many times as you like 😀

Grouse aren’t really my type. English Partridges float my boat 🤩

I keep hearing ‘biodiversity loss’ mentioned as a critical symptom of ‘climate change. Yet there are very few people outside the shooting community doing anything practical about it.
The Duke of Norfolk is maybe our best ambassador. Next time any of you ‘silent lurkers’ are mountain biking near Arandul- maybe stop and look and see how different, how diverse and ‘messy’ the farming is on his land.
(It’s not propaganda- just open your 👀 and decide for yourself with an open mind).

Paradise regained: the return of the grey partridge

An oldy but a goody- I love this French guy too. Imagine how diverse 🇬🇧 farming would be if all our farmers had his passion for ecosystem construction.
Note the focus on worms and insects!! (Ie food for
Game).

I keep hearing ‘biodiversity loss’ mentioned as a critical symptom of ‘climate change. Yet there are very few people outside the shooting community doing anything practical about it.

Well that’s, bollocks, loads of people are trying to protect biodiversity. The problem is many of those people are not the land owners.

We rent our sporting rights from the land owner, then pay further rent to take arable and fodder crops out of rotation and use the land to grow winter food plots for game and wildlife.
No reason a collective of nature lovers, twitchers or climate change worriers couldn’t do the same 🤷🏻‍♂️

https://www.langholminitiative.org.uk/langholm-moor

…like this. Be interesting to see what they do with it.

Yet ‘tress good, toffs bad’

Whoah whoah whoah. Let’s just clear some things up here.

Yes, you are quite right, there are lots of people talking bollocks on the greenie side. There are lots of people who just have knee-jerk reactions to things changing or something they don’t like.

BUT

That does not invalidate the entire movement. You cannot cite these people as evidence that the entire green movement is wrong. There are lots of people involved, some right, some wrong. It’s not one single organised group, so you can’t cite inconsistencies as evidence of lack of worth.

Where species are declining- it is largely through neglectful changes in land use.
And usually nothing to do with climate change (may have mentioned that already 🤣).

Perhaps in your experience. Maybe in the UK. But you’ve shown that your experience is not comprehensive. There are other people out there studying other things, and they have found that climate change is placing significant stress on many species adding to the other stresses placed by other human activity.

Why are you so keen to disagree?

I’m not saying it does. As the scientist in the TGS Grouse Moor video says- we need evidence. Evidence that is slow and expensive to collect.

Climate Hype is driving knee jerk reactions that are likely contributing to making things worse.

The biggest problem the ‘green’ side have v the ‘tweed’ side is funding. They need hyped up fear to drive donations. Everything they say needs to be viewed through that lens.

Whereas people put their money where their mouth is when they want something to ‘hunt’.
(Just like in the Big Game hunting debate- antis never pay to have auctioned off cull elephants moved somewhere ‘safe’ even when given ample opportunity).

No reason a collective of nature lovers, twitchers or climate change worriers couldn’t do the same

And many do.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-52541812.amp

I think that’s great where they do- I’m not a zealot- I just love nature. But it’s on a tiny scale and not particularly widespread. We ride through tens of thousands of acres of land managed for shooting on our group rides, and how many nature reserves/community buyouts do we pass?

Edit- it would also need ongoing donations for management. Whereas shooting is self-funding because there’s a harvest at the end of it.

Climate Hype is driving knee jerk reactions that are likely contributing to making things worse.

Possibly, but a lot of anti-green comment is also driven by knee-jerk ‘it’s all bollocks’ type reactions, like yours.

Or are you only talking about hunting? I don’t have a problem with hunting in certain forms, as long as (like anything else) it is well managed. After all, we have already completely screwed up the food chain by eliminating apex predators. If hunting supports quality habitat restoration then that’s great. But that’s a big IF.

We ride through tens of thousands of acres of land managed for shooting on our group rides, and how many nature reserves/community buyouts do we pass?

I’m not sure whether you have noticed yet but shooting land pays out a bit more.

You said very few people are trying to protect wildlife apart from shootists, I said that’s clearly bollocks, which it is, then you said that wildlife fans could buy/rent land and I showed that they do, now you say it’s not enough! Your argument is based on sand.

No- climate fear is big business too.

RSPB owns over 300 000 acres, wildlife trust around 240 000

Climate fear is big business? That sounds like a knee jerk reaction.

Of course, people are profiting from pretending to be green. But that does not mean climate change isn’t a real significant problem, does it? You’ve seen the movie Don’t Look Up, right? Hint: it’s not actually about meteors.

You said very few people are trying to protect wildlife apart from shootists, I said that’s clearly bollocks, which it is, then you said that wildlife fans could buy/rent land and I showed that they do, now you say it’s not enough! Your argument is based on sand.

So lots of people are doing it but just doing it badly?

There’s 2 million hectares managed for shooting. Nothing ‘green-lead’ comes close. Even the RSPB only have 130,000 hectares.

Are all those 2 million hectares wonderful biodiverse landscapes or is some of it grouse desert?

🥱 Read Mary Colwels book and decide about the Grouse Desert thing.
Even though not A1 habitat for them- most of our waders would be extinct without them.
Maybe that’s why the green lobby hate them- they’re proof of the lie they need to peddle to exist 🤣🤣

That’s one type of land, mostly in the uplands, very cheap to buy the RSPB and wildlife trusts will obviously not focus on a habitat that is not in danger. You are arguing round in circles.

First you said it wasn’t done, then you said it’s not done enough, now you say someone else does more. All this shows is that you were wrong but do not have the good grace to admit it.

Wildlife trusts are better but the staff woeful. We joined the boy up when he was about 5. The guy asked him what an animal was on the poster. Boy tells him it’s a stoat. Guy says he’d love to see one one day 🤦🏻‍♂️ We didn’t bother renewing the following year 🤣🤣

How can you exist in the UK and not have seen a stoat. I see about 3 a week crossing the road 🤣🤣

Very few if any people are doing the ‘direct rent to land owner’ model I’m describing. Happy to be proved wrong.

(And yes- the folk joining the RSPB would be able to achieve so much more by clubbing together and renting 5 acres of land for a set of bird hides on their local wheat prairie or silage monoculture. )

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I keep hearing ‘biodiversity loss’ mentioned as a critical symptom of ‘climate change. Yet there are very few people outside the shooting community doing anything practical about it.

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Very few if any people are doing the ‘direct rent to land owner’ model I’m describing

How can you exist in the UK and not have seen a stoat

Is this a serious question? If so it shows a disconnect with the real world and society that is utterly flabbergasting.

You said people don’t own land- I said they could rent some like what shooterists do innit 🤷🏻‍♂️ 🤣

Yes? Excluding what I see around the estate, I see at least three stoats and maybe one or two weasels when I’m riding my motorbike or driving other places 🤷🏻‍♂️
(Saw one yesterday on what I guess is the Fosseway when riding the TET)
People are too busy listening to Radio 4 or Newsbeat telling them the earth is boiling to notice what’s around them 🤣🤣

And yes- the folk joining the RSPB would be able to achieve so much more by clubbing together and renting 5 acres of land for a set of bird hides on their local wheat prairie or silage monoculture. )

5acres would cost what £20 000 to rent a year? RSPB membership is £5 a month…..

No!!! We rented 11 extra acres last year at £100 an acre.

That bag of mix seemed to be mostly phacilea 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣

Was buzzing with….
Blah blah insect Armageddon blah blah 🥱🥱🙄🙄

Excluding what I see around the estate, I see at least three stoats and maybe one or two weasels when I’m riding my motorbike or driving other places

You do realise most people in the UK are not able to visit shooting estates don’t you? Many don’t have cars or motorbikes and live in cities.

Even at 10mph on a bicycle- you can get somewhere to see nature on a day out.
But then London for example is more biodiverse than most non-shot arable farms 🤣🤣

https://www.wildlondon.org.uk/blog/keeping-it-wild-project/can-london-be-national-park-keeping-it-wild-trainee-sebastian

14,000 species of wildlife IN LONDON 🤷🏻‍♂️😀

https://www.fwi.co.uk/business/business-management/tenancies-rents/find-out-average-farm-rents-where-you-live-2022