Brexit benefits – lets start a list

If you’re a fan of roadside kidney cider then you’re in luck round our way, there’s a huge choice of bottles of truck drivers’ piss to choose from thanks to Operation Brock.  I call that a brexit benefit for the so inclined.

Likewise, if you enjoy filling in lots of bloody forms then Brexit is a huge bonus.

The only benefit I’ve seen is that my fanatically supporting Brexit colleague’s have gone very quiet and probably feel remarkably stupid for getting so suckered in…….

That doesn’t mean the people voting in it didn’t take it seriously.

Would that be the same people who didn’t even think of it as an issue to get worked up about until UKIP et al started frothing on about it?

The policy arguably goes beyond the EU’s Common Agricultural Policy (CAP) in supporting wider land management improvement.

So the Welsh idea is to arguably go beyond the CAP in one aspect. That’s a hell of an endorsement for the CAP. I wonder how it compares in all the other aspects of the CAP such as support for farmers, food standards, regulating pesticide, herbicide and fungiscide use, GM foods, pricing, food reserves, international aid… .

Prince Khalid Abdullah al Saud, who owns champion racehorse Frankel, has reportedly described his farming interest as a hobby. Juddmonte Farms, which he owns through an offshore holding company in Guernsey, received £406,826 in farm subsidies last year, of which £378,856 came from the single payment scheme.

CAP edukator. Poor people giving rich people money because they own land. If you are in favour of this crack on. I think we can do better.

…didn’t even think of it as an issue to get worked up about until UKIP et al started frothing on about it

By jove – we have a Brexit benefit

Nonsense. The question on the ballot was do you want the UK to leave the EU or remain? A simple binary choice with a definite outcome. Everyone understood what this question means.

Informed consent is usually accepted as requiring the person to understand the consequences of whatever it is they are consenting to.

Do you think anyone gave informed consent to Brexit?

Everyone understood what this question means.

I don’t really see how you can type that with a straight face.

Nonsense. The question on the ballot was do you want the UK should leave the EU or remain? A simple binary choice with a definite outcome. Everyone understood what this question means.

I think you choose not to understand, for I have seen you argue fairly intelligently in the past.
Leaving the EU was not an outcome, it was a mechanism to achieve an outcome.
The question (which had some of the words you wrote) was to decide on a mechanism to achieve a “better life” whatever that might be defined as.  The outcome desired was that better life. Now I agree a few folk, a negligible number, would have no concept of a better life than living outside the EU – so yes for them it was an outcome.
There was a question, some folk understood it (not all, trust me), there was a result and that was to leave the EU.
The actual outcome of the referendum, the things people care about, jobs, livelihoods, quality of life, we will find out in years and decades to come.
It doesn’t look good so far though, does it.

CAP edukator. Poor people giving rich people money because they own land. If you are in favour of this crack on. I think we can do better.

@ctk the new version of the CAP is quite different

ironically UK had quite a big input into the new version

https://agriculture.ec.europa.eu/common-agricultural-policy/cap-overview/cap-2023-27_en

active farmers: the new legislation contains a mandatory but flexible definition of an active farmer to be established by EU countries, including the level of activities undertaken. Only active farmers may receive certain EU support;

we’ll probably end up with something less fair, if the government ever gets round to actually implementing anything

Well we have got a shit government @kimbers.

I’m sure our favourite farmer is rich too, in fact all land owners are rich so long as they don’t have more debt than the land is worth. Policy applies to all and doesn’t descriminate so King Charles used to get subsidies too in millions rather than hundeds of thousands, Dyson too. If you think a British system will be “fairer” I think you are deluded. So far the poorest British farmers are the been the ones hardest hit by leaving the CAP:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/29/uk-farmers-impact-brexit-trade-deal-losing-common-agricultural-policy

Read all the article before you reply, it’ll save both of us time.

Yep nothing there that makes me think CAP isnt crap. Did you read it all?

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I’m not a Brexiteer, and I don’t think it’s a good thing. But those people who are demonising Dyson for promoting Brexit are wrong.

The history of the European Commission colluding with Bosch to regulate against Dyson’s company, and their own reluctance to obey their own competition rules even when they’d been found against by their own court was a case of the European Union at it’s absolute worst. Dyson has every right to detest the European Union IMO.

My understanding is smaller farms didn’t get much out of CAP and the UK was a net financial contributor. However, don’t forget we had cheap farm labour and good access to EU buyers and sellers of produce, especially for smaller quantities.

Criticising CAP may be valid but the UK govt (except the Welsh Assembly) have made a poor attempt at replacing it so far.

Giving money to rich landowners who are already rich with no upper limit was and is a scam. But also there were ridiculous regs on what your land had to look like to be entitled to subsidies. Farmers were having to cut down trees to make their land qualify as farmable!

I did read it all, ctk, both when it first appeared and then “en diagonale” before linking. Things are rarely perfect and hopefully evolve towards something better through feedback. Junking everything you have and starting from scratch is rarely the best option, even Windows is pleasant to use and pretty reliable these days. Brexit as defined by the withdrawal agreement was junking gone too far except maybe for a rich arable farmer who holidays in Shetland and Northumberland.

Capital punishment affects a tiny few people who commit or are victims of murder

Another subject dazh knows FA about it seems.

I’m not a Brexiteer, and I don’t think it’s a good thing. But those people who are demonising Dyson for promoting Brexit are wrong.

The history of the European Commission colluding with Bosch to regulate against Dyson’s company, and their own reluctance to obey their own competition rules even when they’d been found against by their own court was a case of the European Union at it’s absolute worst. Dyson has every right to detest the European Union IMO.

German MEP’s and representatives went in to bat for German companies, British MEP’s were disruptors and couldn’t be arsed representing British interests. A lot of voters thought sticking two fingers up to “brussels” as represented by Farage et al was fun. It would have been better if they had actually fought for our interests rather than just going on the piss.

Dyson should have blamed the way the British body politic engaged with Europe, instead he threw a hissy fit against the wrong people.

A lot of voters thought sticking two fingers up to “brussels” as represented by Farage et al was fun.

The irony being farage banging on about how the uk fishing industy was being shafted by the EU.

Nigel Farage sailed a boat down the Thames yesterday in an attempt to highlight the plight of British fishermen, conveniently forgetting that he did nothing to protect the industry while on the EU fisheries committee.

“over the three years that Nigel Farage was a member of the European Parliament Fisheries Committee, he attended one out of 42 meetings”.

@MSP

Dyson should have blamed the way the British body politic engaged with Europe, instead he threw a hissy fit against the wrong people.

I believe that even the European Court Of Justice ruled that the European Commission had acted illegally against Dyson, but you may know more about the case than me?

Isn’t stopping the jurisdiction of the ECJ one of the brexiteer froth points? hahah!

An excellent example for why the political system should not be allowed to interfere with the judiciary.

Conversley we had UK tabloids running headlines like ‘traitors of the people’ in reference to the UK supreme court.

So anyway, back on topic, can anyone name any benefits of leaving the EU?

What a **** waste of electrons this thread is.

So anyway, back on topic, can anyone name any benefits of leaving the EU?

No. None. /

What a **** waste of electrons this thread is.

Oh, I don’t know, sometimes a lack of justification can be just as telling as justification, assuming there is any actual justification.

Dyson needs to get into making loud hailers – as he needs a really big powerful one to send his anti-EU spiels to the UK all the way from his company’s HQ that the hypocritical deceitful #£#%#& moved to Singapore. Whilst the products are made in China.

This is NOT a British manufacturer. It hasn’t been for a decade or two. It just uses a union jack to deceive.

Me ? I have Bosch products and (mostly) made in Europe where there is still a level of democracy, unlike where Dyson bases itself and gets its stuff made.

“So anyway, back on topic, can anyone name any benefits of leaving the EU?”

Yes. About £250k of British money in the coffers of the Danish Government’s accreditation service, to get the Co I worked for accreditation in the EU to be able to carry on doing what it did before brexit. With a further 50-100k cost each year too to keep it.

Great benefit to Danes.

Have we done the ETIAS yet?

“So anyway, back on topic, can anyone name any benefits of leaving the EU?”

Yes. About £250k of British money in the coffers of the Danish Government’s accreditation service, to get the Co I worked for accreditation in the EU to be able to carry on doing what it did before brexit. With a further 50-100k cost each year too to keep it.

Great benefit to Danes.

When my old man died at the start of Covid, he left me his place in Spain. I rent it out as a holliday home so thanks to brexit, I have the joy of paying 24% tax, rather than 19% tax+offsets & deductables which are allowed to EU citizens, but not Brexitland.

I can’t even offset my agents 15% commision, so I’m circa 40% down on any rental income before I even start.

So, we have two first hand brexit benefits so far, but the benefits are for the danish and spanish governments/tax payers.

Any more?

I can’t even offset my agents 15% commision, so I’m circa 40% down on any rental income before I even start.

My heart is bleeding. Such a tragedy that you can’t avoid tax on your unearned income 😕

You’re right though, perhaps that is a benefit.

My heart is bleeding. Such a tragedy that you can’t avoid tax on your unearned income 😕

You’re right though, perhaps that is a benefit.

It’s not an income, I’m just about breaking even, I’m actually about €2000 in the red at the moment as I had to do some house repairs.

Come on then, captain Brexit, other than apparently taking delight in other peoples annoyances, what has brexit done for you? Seriously. Give me one reason.

It’s not an income, I’m just about breaking even

Income is still income whether you’re making a profit or not. Sounds like you need to sell up.

Come on then, captain Brexit

Sigh. I’m not pro-brexit. I’d probably vote to rejoin tomorrow given the chance. But that’s like wishing for a revolution. It’s not going to happen, and in the meantime there are far more important things to worry about.

So you can’t think of even one single benefit from brexit then?

Just one thing…

… Anything, it doesn’t need to be a big thing, just something you think might be a benefit to you or any othe UK citizen post brexit…

I’m still listening but your lack of reasoning is quite deafening.

I’ve already said numerous posts ago what I think the benefits could be. Maybe go back and read them?

This thread isn’t about what the benefits could be… that’s just fantasy red bus speak. It’s about if there actually are any benefits.

Give me something tangible, anything, I don’t care how small it is, give me something. Some sort of reason, if you have one, just one thing.

I’m all ears.

Dyson needs to get into making loud hailers – as he needs a really big powerful one to send his anti-EU spiels to the UK all the way from his company’s HQ that the hypocritical deceitful #£#%#& moved to Singapore. Whilst the products are made in China.

This is NOT a British manufacturer. It hasn’t been for a decade or two. It just uses a union jack to deceive.

Dyson still has his research and development centre in this country, in fact it’s about eight miles from me. He tried to expand his factory in Malmesbury, but the council refused to give him permission, so he moved it out of the U.K., where manufacturing costs were lower, like many British companies have.

He also had plans to turn the old Stothart and Pitt buildings in Bath into an international industrial design and development university, and Bath council refused to give permission, due to flood concerns. The fact that around the same time other developments were taking place all along the river, including a large shopping redevelopment which involved digging a hole about fifteen meters deep for an underground car park less than 100 metres from the river shows how much concern the council had for flood risk, when Dyson’s project was entirely above the river wall, with offices and other buildings literally right next to it. His technology centre is on the old Hullavington airfield, not far from the M4, where he was doing development work on an electric car, which was abandoned due to the vast cost involved.

He may have a factory in the UK, and allegedly be UK domiciled as an individual (heh)….but…

Dyson Limited, doing business as Dyson, is a Singapore-based multinational technology company.

Plus his vacuum cleaners are crap value for money, compared to hoover and Shark. He’s just another shyster.

The only benefit I’ve seen is that my fanatically supporting Brexit colleague’s have gone very quiet and probably feel remarkably stupid for getting so suckered in…….

They were lied to, and in truth they probably wanted to be lied to. They had their reasons.

Which always reminds me of this little speech.

When you look at the brexit party, ukip, leave means leave etc etc the same faces come up. mega rich businessmen. It would be naive to think that these mega rich hedge fund managers and business people who are conservative party donors, are truly saints and have the interests of the poor downtrodden working class as their primary reasons.