Boris Johnson!

It’s accepted that he’s staying now, until a new leader is selected

There’s more than one way to make this fast… the Conservatives could have a new leader in less than a fortnight if they think that having Johnson out of the way is more important than members having a say. But then his ministers can’t even say that he’ll step down as PM when a new leader is selected… but then they can’t say anything…

he Conservatives could have a new leader in less than a fortnight if they think that having Johnson out of the way is more important than members having a say.

Exactly how Theresa May was selected. But this lot want to fight like rats in a sack, so we have months of rudderless government.

The levels of delusion are extreme…

The actual cost of Carries god awful taste in wallpaper has been leaked and we paid for £3500 drinks trolley

And £15k for two sofas.

Wait, sofas that didn’t include 36m of fabric to cover them.

That’s £2800 more.

Thanks. Really. £18,000. I bet they were sitting on the floor until they arrived.

Exactly how Theresa May was selected.

That should have gone to the party vote but Leadsom dropped out at the end of the first stage.
It would depend on how close the front runners are as to whether that might happen this time round.

Depends who it is as well. If they have a leading candidate without super strong Brexit credentials, they will have to put it to a members vote… or local constituency members will go nuts after what happened with May.

The obvious answer is a trustworthy caretaker PM while a full leadership contest takes place. That’s not Boris Johnson. He should be out now, and his security clearance as regards privy council and other access should be reviewed, with him no longer in a position to prevent or pervert that review.

I could understand Johnson staying on if he’d been ousted because he lost an election, but he’s been chucked for his constant dishonesty and dismal failure to adhere to standards in public life.

And £15k for two sofas.

A £6000 lamp!!

Apparently the wedding bash is now not going to happen at Chequers. Even the tories must realise what an insult this is to all the struggling people in the country. John Heartfield and Max Beckman revisited.

@ernielynch

ernie, I respect your stand, but you’re pissing into the wind here.

Just in case you didn’t get the brief –

Brexit is the cause of everything bad that has happened since the referendum, plus everything bad that will happen in the future, and also, everything bad that happened before the referendum. If you don’t agree, you are racist. Because only hard right racist gammons voted for Brexit. For entirely hard-right mega-racist reasons And if you’re not screeching your agreement on here at the same fever-pitch, you are a troll. And also a racist.

No, “well it’s happened now, let’s see what happens and try and make the best of it'”. Or “I wonder why it happened, let’s try and address that so worse things don’t happen”. Just a nasty childish pig-headed attitude akin to a toddler sat on the floor with its fingers in their ears throwing a tantrum and screaming “racist!” at everyone without even knowing what the word means.

“a toddler sat on the floor with its fingers in their ears throwing a tantrum and screaming “racist!” at everyone without even knowing what the word means.”

Racist is as racist does.

Well done, at least for spelling the word with an R, rather than a W, like you used to..

Brexit is the cause of everything bad that has happened since the referendum, plus everything bad that will happen in the future, and also, everything bad that happened before the referendum. If you don’t agree, you are racist.

Not at all – a complete mischaracterisation. I think many people who voted Brexit were probably not racist but were just quite stupid*.

Just a nasty childish pig-headed attitude akin to a toddler sat on the floor with its fingers in their ears throwing a tantrum

It’s strange. That’s precisely how I imagine most Brexit fanatics. Or more accurately, like that meme of the dog in a burning room.

Just shows how we are products of our own bubbles. Mine is the real one, you understand.

No, “well it’s happened now, let’s see what happens and try and make the best of it’”.

That’s quite literally the Labour policy.

* Joking aside, I don’t think people who voted Brexit were stupid, either. Just completely mislead by self-interested scum, and probably betrayed by the status quo and thought that throwing a hand grenade into the middle of the UK’s politics and economy could maybe do them some good. Or at least, that it was worth rolling the dice.

People who look at what’s happened and still think it was a good idea, on the other hand… Those are the people with their fingers in their ears.

That’s quite literally the Labour policy.

And is literally what we are all doing in real life. Getting on with things and working with the reality of our new position. The problem is that many of us come up against problems resulting from Brexit on a daily basis. If you’re retired and comfortably off, I can see why you might think that it’s not worth mentioning. You can’t address the problems if you try to pretend they don’t exist though.

Back on topic… one of the problems is that we made Boris Johnson Prime Minister because he said he could deliver a Brexit that was not only better than the arrangements we were giving up, but better then the ones that the previous PM was proposing/negotiating. Has he… or was that just misdirection, like all his other promises..?

A £6000 lamp!!

Without the shade.

£8500 complete!

Brexit is the cause of everything bad that has happened since the referendum

Interesting that the two defenders of brexit both have arguments with absolute no nuance but just a binary all good or all bad.

Brexit was a revolution and the thing with revolutions is….that they never turn out the way you wanted. Just ask Martin Luther.

The hand grenade is a good analogy. It has exploded and the country is in pieces. We will stagnate until a counter revolution of some kind establishes itself, probably when the first intake of members of parliament who didn’t get a chance to vote in the referendum have their say.

The lack of freedom of movement is what is strangling our economy, the UK won’t pull out of its nose dive until that issue is properly addressed.

I think blaming brexit for food banks is pretty unhinged

No one is blaming it entirely for them.

The post last night that started this was:

We’re a first world country with working people so poor that they have to rely on foodbanks, all because we’ve spent half a decade fixated on how much 52% of our population dislike foreigners.

and palpably their use was on the rise well before brexit, so that ‘all because’ is clearly false.

What people are stating though is it has meant more people are using them than would be the case otherwise

almost certainly true, all I and others have said is that because of the impacts of Covid, and Oil, and Ukraine, it’s hard to say to what extent, if at all. Ernie pointed out the use actually went down last year. Coming out of Covid, or a genuine reduction in underlying poverty? I can hypothesize but it’ll take more years of data to know.

That’s not defending Brexit, or saying it hasn’t had an effect, just that it’s hard to know. Also, the figures quoted are on food parcels given, not people using them. Do we have the same people in poverty but now worse than before, or more people – again I’d hypothesize the latter but I don’t know.

What is clear is that their increase started well before brexit, cv19, oil, or Ukraine, but notably increased in 2010, when the Gov changed. It’s relatively easy to make a hypothesis from that, I think.

@martinhutch, Suella for PM. This would be amazing to watch from afar as she has been our local MP for years. We never see her because we think she keeps going to Farnham rather than Fareham as she can’t believe she is the MP for such a shit show of a town. Total waste of space so will probably become PM

Anyone reminded of This?

Brexit is fundamentally incompatible with the Good Friday Agreement.

Which is just one of the reasons why it isn’t “done”.

Probably bin dun, but casstteboy up to his old tricks 🙂

I realise the futility of asking Remain fanatics to stop blaming everything on brexit, that is clearly my never going to happen.

I don’t believe that anyone with half a brain is blaming everything -solely- on brexit. There’s a whole bunch of other shit going on in the world. Complicated issues do not lend themselves well to simplistic answers.

But it would be either naive in the extreme or flat out lying to suggest that it wasn’t a major contributory factor in our current woes even if indirectly. And even if that wasn’t the case, you’d have to be in Cloud Cuckoo Land to suggest that brexit was actually helping us.

Because, is it helping us, Ernie? Is it? Are you sitting there right now thinking ‘well, thank god for the one saving grace that is brexit, if it weren’t for that we’d be far worse off right now’?

Six years on from all the promises of 2016 and the absolute best we’ve got today is leavers and their apologists shouting “nothing to see here, look, squirrel!” You ought to be ashamed.

Interesting that the two defenders of brexit both have arguments with absolute no nuance but just a binary all good or all bad.

Or any bearing on reality.

For a change.

In lighter news,

Tussaud’s has moved their Boris.

The thing with Brexit is that it isn’t just leaving in itself that has screwed us. It’s also the combined factors of giving general acceptability and empowerment to the right wing nut jobs who were validated by the vote and the way the government was pretty much paralysed on every issue other than Brexit for the next five years.

If we’d voted to stay, idiots like JRM, Steven Baker and Pritti Patel would not have been allowed the influence they subsequently gained. The ERG would have stayed on the fringes, BoJo wouldn’t have been anywhere near the cabinet, and Mad Nad would be on reality TV eating a whales penis or something.

Brexit hasn’t just screwed us economically, it’s screwed us socially and politically as well.

Stop blaming brexit for everything. Let it go. Move on. We need solutions – not shrugging our shoulders and blaming brexit for everything.

No. Stop blaming other people for your mistakes. The ignorance, xenophobia and short-sightedness of the vast majority of people who voted for Brexit need to suck it up.

Whether you like it or not Brexit is directly responsible for a large proportion of the woes of the UK today – whether that’s the awful Conservative government, the increasing amounts of poverty, food shortages due to lack of workers, huge NHS waiting lists, Scottish independence…

I’d go on but since Brexiteers were unable to see this coming I doubt they’re physically capable of understanding it now.

If we’d voted to stay, idiots like JRM, Steven Baker and Pritti Patel would not have been allowed the influence they subsequently gained. The ERG would have stayed on the fringes, BoJo wouldn’t have been anywhere near the cabinet, and Mad Nad would be on reality TV eating a whales penis or something.

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100% this imo – Brexit was the snowball down the mountain to lead up to the avalanche where we are, & the coalition in 2010 and subsequent conservative push for power in 2015 was the snow flurry that caused it all.

So in my mind the conservatives over the last 12 years are 100% responsible (and subsequently all their voters) for the current 💩show of British politics.

How else do you think money gets into the economy? (As well as commercial bank lending.)

Well I work in an industry that is very effective at redirecting funds from other countries into the UK economy. That money is taxed. Of course there is the magic money tree as well, but I was trying to generalise on how a sane trading economy ought to run. The loss of GDP doesn’t exactly help here.

Whilst I accept that Brexit is not the reason for all our ills, the economic recovery from pandemic is starting to look a little embarrassing. We’ll be in the EEA within ten years. One imagines with freedom of movement as a condition. Ten years is currently about four to six prime ministers, but maybe there will be a little stability once this shower are voted out at the next GE.

But Suella Braverman for PM. Raab is well to keep his head down.

Stop blaming brexit for everything. Let it go. Move on.

This is pretty much Johnson’s entire rebuttal when he was being pulled over the coals earlier this week. “I don’t want to talk about that…” yeah, I wonder why.

Why should we just shrug and let them off the hook when they’ve spent the last few years crowing “we won you lost shut up and get over it.” Yes, you did win. And here’s what you won, it’s yours now, so grow up and own it. We can’t accept returns after you’ve snipped all the labels off.

You ****ed up, deep down you know you’ve ****ed up, everyone else was telling you it was going to be a **** up long before you ****ed it up, and now rather than admit it was a **** up you expect everyone to just go away and leave you alone.

No. Just, no. Forgiveness comes -after- contrition.

We need solutions

We do need solutions, but most people trotting out this narrative really don’t like the blindingly obvious one.

stop blaming everything on brexit,

How about we just blame the stuff that is definitely blamable on Brexit on Brexit then?

I think most posters on here have enough nous to figure out that there are other world events going on that affect our lives. We’re aware it isn’t that simple.

Ironically for your rant/point, most of the Brexit voters are (kind of by definition of the content of the Leave campaign) the ‘single issue’ problem voters who aren’t there with attempting to understand all the nuance and complexity, and were easily sold with stories on a level of ‘furriners bad, engerland good’ and ‘funny boris did some comedy’. They’re not aware it isn’t that simple.

Stop blaming brexit for everything. Let it go. Move on. We need solutions – not shrugging our shoulders and blaming brexit for everything.

Brexit isn’t the sole reason for everything being shit. But it’s made all the shit things much much worse. The solution is undoing / reversing Brexit. Nothing that was promised in Brexit has been delivered or can be delivered.

Everything that @Cougar said a few posts back up there. ^^

We do need solutions, but most people trotting out this narrative really don’t like the blindingly obvious one.

It’s exactly like the Obamacare problem in the States. Healthcare for everyone, great, as soon as you call it public healthcare? How dare you suggest this leftie socialist evil baby eater policy!

Or is it like gun control? Restrict access for criminals, yes, restrict access for kids, yes, but “gun control”? Why, you, you leftie socialist baby eater scum disgust me!

My former lab has missed out on a huge funding award thanks to brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/05/eu-scraps-115-grants-uk-scientists-academics-brexit-row

thats on Johnson & Brexit too

havent listened to it this week

I doubt Johnson is spending his afternoon listening to BBC Inside Science but if he is he’ll have heard the president of the Royal Society spelling out just how catastrophic Brexit has been to UK science. Good interview, @WanderingGaia

— Simon O'Hagan (@SimonOHagan) July 7, 2022

It looks like Cummings grudge doesnt end with Johnson gone

wd be very Westminster for Boris to get the bullet cos of lies over sex/groping & sw1's inability to deal with it, only to be replaced by someone actually shagging their spad!

— Dominic Cummings (@Dominic2306) July 8, 2022

I go back to my oft repeated phase; “Brexit isn’t the destination, it’s the vehicle”.

And I keep repeating it because too many folk still don’t understand the trajectory of the UK under the ‘influence’ of the current Tory/UKIP backers.

The “destination” of the UK is a country where, for example, folk who don’t earn enough money will need to rely on food banks because welfare won’t be enough, by design.

We’ll see this again when they go after abortion.

What’s a ‘spad’?

SPecial ADvisor

usually very intelligent late 20’s early 30’s Russell group graduates albeit not always in the subject they are spadding on, but ability to read, assimilate and distil info to their ministers is highly refined.

Not averse to using other talents to increase their profile and position, allegedly

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_adviser_(UK)

[edit – the top level SPADs become household names, as per above there’s actually 4 grades. They might not be shagging Dom, but the 26 year old Oxbridge PPE graduate…….]

What’s a ‘spad’?

@Cougar
Special Advisor – like Dominic Cummings was for Boris.

So… Boris was shagging Dominic? Or is Dom bitter that he wasn’t?

We’ll see this again when they go after abortion.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgp8p7/nhs-anti-abortion-group

Cummings is friends with Gove, so he wont be menytoning that particular indiscretion!

Is this thread still obsessed with brexit? According to Tony Blair, the man who wanted to be EU President, there is no possibility of the UK rejoining the EU for at least a generation.

Personally I think he is being too optimistic, as you might well expect him to be, but even if he is correct it really is time stop being obsessed with brexit.

Anyone who believes that the UK will be rejoining the EU anytime soon really is delusional, which adds further irony to a thread dedicated to Boris Johnson.

Whoever wins the next general election they will not be taking the UK back into the EU, both the Conservatives and Labour have made that clear. The possibility of the LibDems winning the next general election on a rejoining the EU platform is absolutely zero, despite their bizarre delusionary belief that was possible last general election when even their leader couldn’t hold onto her seat.

So consequently all solutions to issues which might confront the British people will have to be based on the stark reality that the UK is not in the EU. Anyone who argues that only EU membership can solve Britian’s problems will not find a responsive audience. And if that is not what you are arguing then bleedin stop going on about brexit ffs.

Hmm yes

remain fanatic

or someone who was happy to live with rights they had previously before they were mmm ripped from them.

Currently still awaiting the agreement for UK driving licences so I can drive a car again in Spain – the joy of Spanish bureaucracy and Brexit, all those little annoying bits of Brexit that weren’t done.

Course I can’t work anywhere other than Spain now but I’m lucky that qualifications aren’t required to be recognised.

Does that make me a remain fanatic or a leave victim 🙂