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His coat is definitely on a shoogily peg.
My MP John me,me,me,me Lamont has voted against.
Not that he had anything to lose apart from being a Liz Truss lackie which shows the shallows of his talent.
Bill, don't forget - heavily subsidised bars and restaurants, putting partner/family onto the office payroll, payments for loss of office, opportunity to cash in after parliamentary 'career'.
For those who then become part of the government payroll, enhanced salaries.
MP salary is £84k. An OECD report in 2021 looked at 36 countries and found state secondary headteachers in UK were paid £102k, with only heads in Luxembourg and Mexico earning more.
Mrs Pondo strongly disputes that - some, maybe, at very big inner city schools, but not many, she thinks.
£84k? Plus exes, directorships, travel, long holidays, heating for your horses, duck houses, free houses etc etc. Blimey I can’t imagine why they are so keen to hold on to their jobs rather than walk into these easier jobs for more money.
Just like the salary though, the sleaze opportunities are poor relative to other roles. When he was in charge of Unite, Len McLuskey handed over £100m of union members funds to a mate to build a hotel and conference venue valued at £25-£29m.
surprising number of mps going public with voting against Johnson.
Yep Frank it's hard to keep up with the people on all those benefits. I believe Go Nads' daughters are being rewarded handsomely for their talents too.
I don't think that Johnson will lose the VONC tonight, but I do think that it'll be closer than we first thought. The current trajectory is unsustainable for the Tories though.
One PM ally said of Tory MPs: They are a bunch of lying snakes. I don’t trust anything they say
That lacks a small level of self awareness.
DrMRsPJM and I managed fifteen seconds of watching live footage from the HoC before peppering the air with four letter words.
I think he’ll win, but will limp on with the shuffling of a few deckchairs and we’ll get more of the same. The longer Johnson remains as PM then the more chance of a Yes vote for Indy in Scotland.
Of course she did, partly because she's thicker than a Boxing Day turd.
Mad Nad really is as intelligent as concrete block. 🤦♂️
I just tried the BBC news channel and lasted 30 seconds of soundbites before turning it back off. I can't listen to any of them, it's just painful
Mrs Pondo strongly disputes that – some, maybe, at very big inner city schools, but not many, she thinks.
I have two pals who were head teachers in england and they earned nothing like that. So called independent trusts maybe but otherwise - nothing like. this is the pay scales
https://schoolsweek.co.uk/pay-scales-for-teachers-and-leaders-in-england-from-september-2021/
Booo
nearly 150 voted against!
that's a disaster for Johnson isn't it?
Scraped it. 148 against, that's awful for him.
PMQs should be a giggle.
should think so
Dead Man Walking
133 was the same proportion as voted against May, and she was gone in six months.
Well, I fingers crossed this is a bad result for BJ, but damn I hoped they’d kick him out today.
Beautiful. An utter kick in the bollocks, but they (the tories) are stuck with the turd.
It would have been even better if it was a tiny bit closer, but I'll settle for that.
Its only going to get worse for him from now on, 2 by-elections to lose and another partygate investigation to come. Another 12 months of infighting and dead cats.
211 vs 148
🤔
The gongfarmers at The Telegraph etc are all out in force, notwithstanding the fact that Theresa May did better on her no confidence vote (63%) and was gone within months.
I'm really, really looking forward to a nice Tory civil war breaking out.
Bugger.
Now watch the Tories further implode and turn on each other as they race to line up as the next leader in waiting. Meanwhile the important business of running a country is ignored.
🙁
That’s a mighty shellacking for the PM.
More votes against than Theresa May.
MP salary is £84k. An OECD report in 2021 looked at 36 countries and found state secondary headteachers in UK were paid £102k, with only heads in Luxembourg and Mexico earning more.
I expect OECD report looked at total renumeration, likely including pension, which (and lets not get into the good/bad of a teacher pension) is probably worth an additional ~25+% of base salary. If the pay range is ~50-120k I can see how an average might be 80 (which with the bump gets to 102)
We’ll now obviously have to endure the oversexed honey monster making a blustering triumphalist statement where he praises this ringing endorsement of his leadership as if he was Blair in 97
Despite 148 of his own MPs thinking about as much of him as the majority of the country
Let’s look forward to those upcoming by-elections eh?
That’s going to be interesting
That's better than I thought he'd get after dorries intervention!
But still a big blow to his authority
By-election carnage incoming!
And now the Tories are confirmed as the party of Boris. They are shackled to him either for the next year, till they change the rules, or, even worse, until he calls a snap election. They could have to go out on the doorsteps for this lying chump.
No mid-season change of manager bounce for them.
Best result possible. Had he lost the tories would have time to regroup. Boris' ego won't have him resigned like May so he drag them down all the way to the polls.
MP salary is £84k. An OECD report in 2021 looked at 36 countries and found state secondary headteachers in UK were paid £102k, with only heads in Luxembourg and Mexico earning more.
@skooby39 have you got a link to the report? Would be interesting to see how it's worked out. The UK, Mexico and Luxembourg seem like odd bedfellows for a top 3 of anything!
Meanwhile the important business of running a country is ignored.
Given that we'll have a tory in the hot seat whatever, surely nothing getting done is a hell of a lot better that a free wheeling tory boy out to make a name for themselves before the next GA.
to be fair, I don't think anyone really loved May, wheras a bunch of the current lot think Boris is the next coming. I think he'll be a lot harder to shift
Tax cuts next (especially as the recession kicks in.)
It's the only stupid Tory thing they've got to offer.
5lab - in which case MPs get far more than £84 000 if you add in the pensions, golden handsharkes etc etc
Now watch the Tories further implode and turn on each other as they race to line up as the next leader in waiting
Yup. None of the ambitious, amoral sacks of effluent will come out of this well.
Meanwhile the important business of running a country is ignored.
No change to anything since 2019 then.
By voting to keep him in post they will be spattered by every sh storm he creates and take a share of each and every boo. Happy days.
Boris is the next coming
Clearly what Nads is hoping for.
is it enough for any of the cabinet to jump ship ?
https://twitter.com/scotwilliams/status/1533905067845337088?s=21
Not that long ago, in place not very far away…
https://twitter.com/bbcnewsnight/status/1072990467598385152?s=21
@skooby39 have you got a link to the report? Would be interesting to see how it’s worked out. The UK, Mexico and Luxembourg seem like odd bedfellows for a top 3 of anything!
Not the article but below from Guardian. Looks like many on a lot more than £102k.
Best result possible. Had he lost the tories would have time to regroup. Boris’ ego won’t have him resigned like May so he drag them down all the way to the polls.
I'd like to think this too. Sentiment won't change overnight despite his "now let's focus on doing what's best for the country" horse shit.
That's a great result; allows johnson to hang on but authority massively reduced. Position much weakened.
Two by-elections in two weeks time which tories are likeky to lose.
Scrutiny committee hearing to
co-incide with tory party conference.
Labour - you've been handed a golden ticket; don't fail to capitalise.
Durham police - there's no case to answer so announce your decision soon.
the teacher salary thing appears to be here
https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=EAG_TS_STA
no mention of averages, just says the top of scale is $147k, the low is $60k, (both of which match the published data) - if you plain average those 2 figures you get close to $102k - maybe someone forgot to convert $ to £?
that dataset includes mexico being really high in one category, presumably a typo
211 imho leaves him right in that Oh **** where the hell do I go from here territory
Yes, it’s a win, but no where near resounding
I suspect knives will be out from here on in
Best possible result. Death by a thousand cuts for the bloated oaf.
I think it's probably the best result. He stays to alienate the voting public even more, whilst also knowing a large amount of his colleagues want him gone.
Paves the way for a lab/coalition government next ge. If Labour can get off thier high horse and actualy collaborate.
So very depressing and yet entirely predictable
By-election carnage incoming!
Not helped by them sending out by-election mail shots unfranked so the lucky recipients have had to pay for the postage.
Headteachers (as the sign says on their door) have stopped being a meaningful measure now that so many are Academy CEOs (as they are on the paperwork).
Durham police – there’s no case to answer so announce your decision soon
Now that is highly debatable. I'd like to support Kier, but it looks like exactly the same scenario. Kier went into an election on a holier than thou basis, but afterwards we find out it went on later than we thought, 12 people, was pre-arranged and the MET bodyguards are describing those present as 'tipsy but not pi.. d'. Oh and of course Kier's office have already formally apologised for an error in saying Angela Rayner wasn't there... Could she not have corrected that herself..
Interesting period coming for UK politics.
Wonder if carrie antoinette has gone out for a consolatory shag with zac.
Another love child on it's way - coming to a tory front page in 9 months.
It’s going to be interesting to see what happens now with what passes for policy
A lot of those 148 are fundamentally opposed to the present policy proposals.
An 80 seat majority ain’t worth shit if 148 of them will either abstain or vote against whatever you propose
This could be just a completely paralysed zombie government now, unable to do even the very little that it’s set out to do
Fingers crossed. That’s probably the best result for all of us
It’s going to be interesting to see what happens now with what passes for policy
Expect lots and lots of giveaways aimed at hardcore tories rather than the common plebs.
Not the article but below from Guardian. Looks like many on a lot more than £102k
To be fair, most of the big earners they reference are leading trusts, rather than being heads of schools - I was curious and Googled the one head they mentioned, he's gone now after claims of impropriety and financial mismanagement!
He seems to have a cold with all this sniffing
It'll be stated that he's now got the opportunity to regain the confidence of those he lost.
And that will be it. A great success, with the future set out to impress those who opposed him.
All wrapped up in getting on with things...like, the stuff, and the things...
I give it a week before the next crisis/scandal
At least 2 more before the by-elections
He really is our Tr*mp
Plenty more well deserved boo-ing coming his way.
Thatcher was forced out on the back of a less than 41% anti-vote. Johnson scored 48% against the men in suits will have their say.
given it was called quickly so not give the "rebels" time to organize it's a disaster for Johnson.
even the scum are calling a "huge" tory rebellion.
I do enjoy a bit of schadenfreude. this is a disaster for the tories. lame duck PM taking them down and down and an open season for infighting. Best for the Uk as well as they will be paralyzed and unable to do much and its a huge boost for labour.
Its the result I wanted
tjagain
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I do enjoy a bit of schadenfreude. this is a disaster for the tories. lame duck PM taking them down and down and an open season for infighting. Best for the Uk as well as they will be paralyzed and unable to do much and its a huge boost for labour.
I'm with you on this but my God, the union should have something better to hope for than this.
What a mess of a man and a government.
Yes, I agree with both the above.
What a scat show.
What’s the price for the common person though, leaving this in charge? It’ll be fraught 2 years of damage the the UK that we’ll suffer to hope for an opposition leader to emerge who is capable of turning this around.
What’s the price for the common person though, leaving this in charge?
A tory would be in charge anyway and probably a complete loony since thats all most of the mps would now accept.
The best hope is they get stuck infighting and dont do to much damage to the country.
Some golden heckling going on outside no.10 where the BBC are trying to present!
Let him stay and drag this shower of shite down with him
Might* we see protest** on the streets after this? A hot summer, discontent on so many fronts, and a leader & cabinet incapable of seeing beyond thier own snouts. It's a heady recipe..
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*of course not, we will all grumble on random internet forums and Twitter, a protest for the modern age.
** Only if Pritti thinks she can look strong as a leadership candidate by somehow not enforcing her new laws.
As dissonance says - we either get a swivel eyed loon full of vim and vigour who will actually do stuff that is really destructive - say Truss or a vaguely competent person like Hunt who will improve the chances of the tories winning again. We have 2 more years of destructive tory government come what may. Best they are hampered by a dead duck leader and riven by infighting to destroy their chances of winning again
"A tory would be in charge anyway and probably a complete loony since thats all most of the mps would now accept."
The other alternative being that a more traditional Tory takes the helm and introduces austerity 2,0
I think the public realises that they can pressure Johnson and shame Rishi Sunak into providing more financial support. That would be more difficult to do with a fiscal conservative rather than a populist in charge.
He won't make it to the next election but I hope he clings on for as long as possible, hopefully making even more of a disgrace of himself.
When J Rees Mogg came onto ITV News at 10, with his pathetic attempt to back track over what he said after TMays VONC, my usually mild mannered wife uttered “shut the f up you spineless c ( I think you can fill in the blanks)and turned off the TV.
Couldn’t have put it better myself
Newsnight and the Guardian both reporting tonight Tory MPs, even supporters of Johnson, saying the operation by number 10 to drum up support today was an absolute shambles
How very fitting