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F1's Haas team's new sponsor Rich Energy have provided the classic JPS black and gold livery for their 2019 cars and their logo is almost identical to Whyte's. For a minute I thought, hang on, Whyte have sponsored a F1 team, WTF? But the logo is only slightly different, perhaps even more bizarre. I mean, it's not like the logo is based on some classic emblematic reference, is it?
Don't bother posting pics - we'll just use our imaginations :p
Page 11. I guess the courts will decide. Due to be heard next month.
It's not even a particularly good logo, so beats me why Rich Energy just nicked it.
Being discussed over on auto sport.
https://forums.autosport.com/topic/211627-what-is-rich-energy/page-17
Oddly Jon Whyte was a suspension designer with the former Benetton F1 team..
I dun a fing for the lazy
Maybe the extra weeny little antler bits will mean Rich will get away with it?
That energy drink set-up (and its CEO) is bizarre to say the least.
Certainly a copyright infringement but for trademarks, depends on what classifications they are registered in and whether there's a potential conflict and there's "passing off" i.e. Whyte would have to show its a detriment to their sales to be able to make a claim. Often these things are resolved with a licensing agreement.
If whyte move onto energy drinks there’s an issue. If Rich want to sell a bike, same. Otherwise it probably won’t be an issue. Is not uncommon.
If anything it could be beneficial to Whyte Bikes, millions people could see the Rich Energy Logo on the F1 cars then subconsciously spot it when looking for a radgnar UK trail shredder and buy the Whyte 'cos they sponsor F1 innit, so must be brilliant
Otherwise it probably won’t be an issue
I think ATB Sales have a different opinion. See [url= https://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/bizarre-logo-coincidence-rich-energy-and-whyte-bikes/#post-10476669 ]here[/url].
On top of the blatant logo infringement..
No compromise. Keeping you going 100 times longer.
How do they quantify that?
Rich Energy have a £50m manufacturing facility and are now sponsoring an F1 team. UK based yet no-one has heard of them or purchased their drinks. Where on earth are they getting their money from?
...EU refund of the money that we could have got to fund the NHS...
Less strange things have happened than
A company making it look like they have the cash to buy an F1 team then getting all high profile by advertising all over the shop on a high speed advertising board seen by billions and eventually making or having the money to buy am F1 team through by sheer prospecting...
Invariably the fly by the seat of your pants never seem to lose their millions even when bankrupt
Rich Energy have a £50m manufacturing facility and are now sponsoring an F1 team. UK based yet no-one has heard of them or purchased their drinks. Where on earth are they getting their money from?
Prince Philip, Amber Rudd and some Lizards.
Makes you think..
The CEO is quite a character! Wouldn't look amiss in the MTB world to be honest. Riding a single speed Jones and hanging out with Taz & Brant.
The numbers don't stack up though- check out filling for 2018 on Companies House.
I imagine he's old money and it's a hobby. That said, he's only got 3 companies listed on Companies House, 2 of which are linked to Rich Energy and 1 for 'Wise Guy Boxing' which doesn't give you any results online despite being a Computer Consultant
firm. They are a UK brand, claimed to have sold 90 million cans, but I've never seen or heard of them. Tin foil hat's on guys
Where on earth are they getting their money from?
How much to be a main sponsor for an F1 team. £25m per year? This is odder than an odd thing from Oddville.
Riding a single speed Jones and hanging out with Taz & Brant.
I knew there was money in the trousering business.
1 for ‘Wise Guy Boxing’ which doesn’t give you any results online despite being a Computer Consultant
The company is probably so he can take on IT contracts, one man band type thing, I reckon. Pretty common in the IT world.
150 other businesses registered at that office only 265 quid a desk
No compromise. Keeping you going 100 times longer.
How do they get away with that? Easy, Redbull gives you wings!
Joe Saward was also confused where the money trail was when Storey was allegedly looking to but the whole team.
https://joesaward.wordpress.com/2018/02/21/force-india-or-whatever-it-will-be-called-soon/
Anyone know what happened/is happening re the court hearing? Thought it was due to be decided early March but my Google skills are failing me.
Don't know about the court case but I would bet £10 that Frank Stronach is the money behind it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Stronach. Its right up his (bonkers) street.
They were still using the logo at the Australian race.
Judgment is due 1st May 2019.
Apparently ATB have been trying to get Rich Energy/William Storey to attend court for a couple years now (hence IP- 2017). I don't see how RE could win this over Whyte. Still, RE have continued to produce their product with the logo (40,000 can delivery recently). Good thread here too- some major sleuthing from one poster.
...and the verdict is in (Whyte won, but Rich Energy might appeal):
Oh it was a copyright claim, not a trade mark one.
and the verdict is in (Whyte won, but Rich Energy might appeal):
Amusing judgement. Judge not particularly impressed with the reliability of Mr Energy Drink's evidence, and some telltale metadata on the 'old' documents they were using to suggest an earlier design process...
Quite an entertaining read. Surely they’d have to be barking mad to appeal....oh, hang on...😄
That drink sounds Sick!
Wow. That's a helluva a read. Thanks for posting.
If I weren’t in a hotel room away with work either nothing on tv I wouldn’t have read that.
Basically sounds like the Rich energy guys have copied the logo but thought they’d get away with tweaking a couple of bits - but have come very unstuck. They also haven’t prepared well enough for the court case and have been embarrassed.
Brilliant stuff. My favourite bit being..
He had a tendency to make impressive statements, which on further investigation or consideration were not quite what they seemed. For example, when Mr Wyand in cross-examination tried to understand his evidence about the sales figures of Rich Energy drinks, and put to him that he had been quoted in the press in February 2019 as saying that the First Defendant had produced 90 million cans, Mr Storey explained that it had produced 90 million cans, but had not yet filled and sold them.
Third defendant raised an invoice for £50,000 for some PDFs of sketches. I'm in the wrong business. Oh, wait...
Love the fact they worked backwards after stealing the logo to make it appear that they somehow ended up there through sketches. It's within 7% of the Whyte logo, plus some extra antler bits. The tenuous link to Richmond Park and the stags is laughable.
So many lies in there and I'm so glad that they were called out on it.
Third defendant raised an invoice for £50,000 for some PDFs of sketches.
All seem to be Stoweys friends, common theme with his companies. Probably no money actually exchanged. The designs consultancy still has the Rich energy client/portfolio on their website.
"Imbecilic" 😀
Interesting read. The comments about Whyte are great - Turned up, were very helpful to the court and gave credible evidence. The rest... well!
That was the first court proceedings/final judgment I have ever read - and it was fascinating! Would love to meet the judge, he/she sounds fantastic.
What a bunch of absolute shysters Rich are!
Maybe instead of weeing in shoes we should be helping to fill their 90m empty cans.
Rich Energy- Owned by Antlers
How bizarre.
Great publicity for Whyte, and good luck to them!
Well that was an intersting read. I read bits of the judgement and the autosport article earlier in the link. What an earth are Rich Energy up to!!?? How can they fund the Haas deal? All very shady and links to IofM tax company etc etc. They really do sound like Sick bikes but on another level.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/921806/1/haas-drops-rich-energy-stag-logos-canadian-gp
"Whilst we own the stag trademarks & registrations worldwide Inc Canada we don't want any media circus for team whilst we contest baseless case with @WhyteBikes & win"
Rich are getting some shit on Twitter over this. Water off a duck's back, I should imagine though.
And... has someone actually found photo of a guy from Rich Energy on a Whyte bike with someone wearing a Whyte jersey? Surely not 😆
Ah it's the driver of the Haas F1 team , superb!
And despite all of this, it still seems to be pretty much impossible to actually buy a (filled) can of Rich Energy drink.
This will make a great story one day when all the details are understood! Do they actually have any money that they're giving to Haas, or are they just stringing them along with promises? There obviously isn't an actual product i.e. cans of energy drink available for sale. If they [I]do[/I] have the funds to sponsor an F1 team, surely they are capable of a (limited) launch of a soft drink product? Who runs RE? Just a millionaire playboy having a laugh? What are Haas actually getting out of this arrangement? Is the logo thing all a bizarre coincidence or a deliberate attempt at "any publicity is good publicity"? I probably actually would buy a can of RE now if I saw it in a shop, just for lulz!!
Rumour has it that Haas’s 2020 title sponsor will be Sick Bicycle Co.
Thought you could buy off Amazon?
apparently so!! the reviews are quite funny 😃 maybe they did actually make a few cans then!
The auto sport thread, and judgement are amazing.
This would be a very good Netflix style documentary and I’m excited to see if people get to the bottom
Of the money trail
*Mr Storey’s misleading and untruthful oral and written evidence*
Mr Story has been lying under oath, pretty naughty. Makes you wonder what else he is capable of if he has such a tenuous grasp on truth and law.
Tastes like ass
https://jalopnik.com/the-mysterious-energy-drink-sponsoring-america-s-f1-tea-1834813883
I want to know where the 87 million as yet unfilled cans are?
Landfill, probably.
I must’ve called “Thread” yesterday then cfh.
😀
Had seen your pic, but thought the additional content on the thread was also worth sharing!
Spotted their logo on Davo Johnson at iom tt races, then spotted this on their Facebook page
We have asked our partners @HaasF1Team to remove stag element from car this weekend. Whilst we own the stag trademarks & registrations worldwide Inc Canada we don't want any media circus for the team whilst we contest baseless case with @WhyteBikes & win.
Hmmmmm 🤔
Meanwhile, over on the twitter dot com, Rich are picking fights with Whyte (still) and perhaps more amusingly, Chris Harris of Top Gear fame.
It's not going well for them. At all.
As per comments on the news article, there seems to be an clear Lotus link. I kind of wonder whether someone working at Staxoweb or Rich Energy used to work at Enstone.
Totally do not get why they're picking on the Harris.
He said he wouldn’t buy a can of rich energy, even if he knew where to do so/he saw it. He then said he definitely would buy a whyte bike. Little digs here and there, recommending haas end the relationship etc, then RE lost the plot a bit...
https://twitter.com/MsportXtra/status/1138692591808000000?s=19
https://twitter.com/MsportXtra/status/1138696973735866369?s=19
Hundreds of supermarkets. Huge. Bigly huge. Just can't remember the name of any of them right now, but hugely big. Honest.
Coincidence that on Twitter the preview of that pic makes it look like someone picking the logo off?
🤣
Trolling an ex F1 suspension designer & accusing them of lacking involvement really is just fing hat-stand..
😂
Hundreds of supermarkets. Huge. Bigly huge. Just can’t remember the name of any of them right now, but hugely big. Honest.
They must have lost their dealer list. How careless of them.
40 quid for a baseball cap???
https://richenergyshop.com/premium-cap.html
I was trying to find the dietary stats for the drink but they don't appear to have any for some reason...
The 2 Amazon review are quite balanced.
Five quid for 3 x 250ml cans? I'd want it to turn me into some kind of cycling god for that money.
This is Essex Petroleum all over again...
Would sir like to go large?
Only £1450 for the multipack above.
Bargain.👍
Wtf is a premium energy drink any way? The only energy drink worth having is lucozade. Not to drink though, its just an amazing adhesive if spilled. I periodically drop a bottle on the kitchen floor to stop my toddler making a run for it when the back door is open.
Wtf is a premium energy drink any way?
Craft beer.