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    matt_outandabout
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    Planning a wee tour in the Netherlands at Easter. This will involve overnight DFDS ferry from Newcastle-IJmuiden, likely 3 days pedalling.

    It must involve Keukenhof garden and tulips. We will be hotel / B&B staying. It will be fun and involve as much beer, cheese and laughs as actual riding, so maximum of @50km a day. We are not really into cities, so happily head to towns and villages instead, unless there is a good reason to be in the city….

    Seems that a loop from Ijmuden through the Hague to Rotterdam, then on Utrech, Amsterdam and Utrecht. Happy to use a train or tram to fill in gaps if needed.

    Thoughts, advice, ideas of places to go?

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    tjagain
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    I found using this to get around was good.  It tends to be indirect routes but once you get the hang of it its great.  check a map board, remember the numbers of the next few junctions you want.  Before each junction there will be a small sign on a post telling you which direction for which numbered junction

    https://holland-cycling.com/tips-and-info/finding-your-way/numbered-cycle-network

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    tractionman
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    Sounds lovely.

    Leiden and Delft are nice sized historic towns, definitely worth calling by.

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    kcr
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    There have been a few threads on NL cycling on this forum which will have useful info.

    Vrienden op de Fiets is a source of cycling friendly B&Bs: https://www.vriendenopdefiets.nl/en/

    It’s dead easy to find your way about on the cycle routes using the Fietsknoop app, or just Google Maps, and you can’t really go wrong, whatever path you choose. In terms of cycling, Amsterdam is very different from the very relaxing experience you will find everywhere else . I would consider staying somewhere outside and just hopping the train for a day in Amsterdam. Last time we were in NL, we decided on a day trip to Haarlem instead of Amsterdam, which we really enjoyed. Lots of interesting things to see, but much smaller and less hectic. Very close to IJmuiden as well.

    If you want an alternative to the buffet on the ferry on the way home, there are lots of fish restaurants around the docks at IJmuiden. We had a really nice meal here: http://www.meerplaats.nl/

    If you are driving to the ferry, the on site parking is quite expensive, but I got 12 days for £18 at the Beacon Centre in North Shields, a short cycle ride from the harbour on Your Parking Space. Car was still there when we got back!

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    nealc
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    Cycle.travel does a pretty good job in the Netherlands. I’ve not really used the number system but there are soooo many junctions I wouldn’t be without a decent GPS. As others have said you can’t really go wrong. The delta SE of Dordrecht is a quiet impressive nature reserve.

    matt_outandabout
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    If you are driving to the ferry, the on site parking is quite expensive, but I got 12 days for £18 at the Beacon Centre in North Shields, a short cycle ride from the harbour on Your Parking Space. Car was still there when we got back!

    Train at our end, friends who are joining us will likely drive but we know friends in North Shields with a big driveway…

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    tjagain
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    Look out for the grandmas on ebikes!  ruddy lethal.

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    stevie750
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    grandmas on ebikes!

    Is that a dating site you are on?

    alanl
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    As mentioned above.Leiden and Haarlem. Both lovely places with things to see and do. Amsterdam is ok for a visit, but is very busy. Rotterdam is good, the Markthall there is very impressive, its near the cube houses, which are quite nice to visit, but I woudlnt want to live in one. Will the bulbs be flowering at easter? Maybe a need to go into the greenhouses?

    tjagain
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    Lols @ stevie

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    slowol
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    I used to go to Ijmuiden for work a fair bit and we often stayed in Haarlem as it’s quite a nice town.

    If early for the ferry there are some nice bars by the beach in Ijmuiden or better North of the harbour in Wijk aan Zee.

    Top tip if you don’t want to use the ferry catering is Lidl in Ijmuiden for pre made salads and fresh bread rolls.

    In Newcastle it is quite a way from Central station to North Shields. Cycle paths most of the way but not all well way marked. If taking the Metro be aware that the peak periods for not taking bikes start quite early in the afternoon and in theory it’s only 1 bike per carriage.

    matt_outandabout
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    Will the bulbs be flowering at easter? Maybe a need to go into the greenhouses?

    Apparently it both varies and likely yes… Seems the garden is open March-May, so our plan for second or third week of April should be fine….Whether the weather plays nicely though – I was in Belgium that week this year and it was cold and wet.

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    winston
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    If you are reasonably fit on good touring bikes, 50km is about 2 hrs cycling in the Netherlands.

    matt_outandabout
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    Sounds perfect, when does the cafe open?

    tractionman
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    for the Netherlands, if you’re interested in history and like maps, this is worth a look:

    https://www.esriuk.com/en-gb/map-gallery/dutch-cadastre

    lots of historic maps of the country 🙂

    hours of entertainment!

    eg the side by side map viewer–https://www.topotijdreis.nl/vergelijk/kaart/2006/kaart/1925/@86002,418190,8

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    drdjpower
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    We were there last week, camping on the islands and beaches S and W of Rotterdam. We did Delft, The Hague, Leiden and Amsterdam last year, following advice from this forum. It’s all easy, just do it. TJ’s advice re. the weird numbers is correct. It sounds daft but it works. And even when it doesn’t, you’ll still get there.

    This year we bought a map from this series

    https://www.holland-cycling.com/extras/reviews/125-anwb-fietskaart-series-reviewed

    It was nice to not look at phones, and to get lost, and to arrive at a town hoping there’d be accommodation, just like the olden days. An eye-opener for our teenager, I think he liked it.

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    mick_r
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    Over there now – 580ish km in!

    The Fietsknoop app is an incredibly quick and easy way to plot routes which I’ve then been sending the gpx to my watch (watch still gives you the junction numbers as you arrive and leave each point). But as TJ says, it can be a bit circuitous – e.g we were hiring MTBs today and Google gave a good 10km cycle route to the hire place. Following Fietsknoop numbers would have been 14.5 km and no easier.

    50-70km is probably about right if you want some stops to explore. Panniers, Marathon plus tyres and wiggly routes seem inexplicably slow going. Longest days have been 100-110 km which has been fairly steady pedalling 9:30 to 16:30 with a few food stops.

    Don’t dive right into a city as the flow of routes and junctions takes a bit of getting used to. Also needs some observation to work out which bits of fietspad are dual direction and which are one way. Back tracking on a one way bit is not tolerated!

    If you need somewhere for a night at the southern end of your route then we can highly recommend Villa Augustus in Dordrecht and Fort Vuren / Vurig as amazing places to stay.

    E bikes are EVERYWHERE. In the Veluwe it was a near constant stream of ebike pensioners. Staying in a camp site cabin the last 2 nights and they have a full barn for bike “stabling” and think we are the only non powered ones in there.

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    mick_r
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    Tractionman, thanks for that historic map viewer link – amazing to see all the bits of land they have created. In the rail museum I saw a not very old map with Elburg on the coast. A day later we were there looking at the very big chunk of land now opposite the harbour.

    Moab – as you aren’t city people, unless there are specific things you want to visit then I’d skip stuff like Utrecht and look for some smaller towns. Google maps is a good guide – anywhere surrounded by a star shaped moat might be small and interesting. Also if you want cafe stops, places off the main tourist routes are often shut Monday Tuesday. Jumbo is your friend on those days. And you need to scan the receipt to exit NL self checkouts…..

    matt_outandabout
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    Well that is us booked, hoping for a less ill mrs_oab, some good weather and a few cheese stops…

    midlifecrashes
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    Me and a mate did a 5 dayer about 8 years ago. Hull ferry. Two hotels and three awesome Stayokay hostels. We went for Kings Day and it was cold and windy, but still had fun. The day we had planned for the tulips was baltic with sideways hail, so since we had ridden through the tulip fields already, we binned that and had a lovely half day in Haarlem instead, doing history and looking at the old masters in the Franz Hals museum and having fancy coffee stops.

    ferry Rotterdam Kinderdijk Dordrecht Gouda Utrecht Amsterdam Bunnik Amsterdam Haarlem Delft DenHaag Schevingen  Delft Rosendaal and Ferry would sum up our route.

    ton
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    cycling paradise if you ask me. we have been a few times. done most of Holland now.

    good one was north up the coast to Groningen and back via Almere and Amsterdam.

    last one was south through the islands.   Kamperland, Zierkzee and Middelburg in Belgium and back via Breda, Rotterdam and Delft.

    the whole place is just brilliant for easy safe and just plain old nice cycling.

    good beer, good food, nice people, and zero chance of getting lost or run over.

    i would say if you didnt want to, you could do a whole couple of weeks tour without ever mixing with traffic.

    misteralz
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    There are a few things to be aware of in NL. If the road is red, then cyclists generally have priority. Saying that, traffic from the right also has priority, which feels alien when you’re cycling along a ‘main’ road but have to stop for something pulling out of a junction. Keep an eye out for ‘haaientanden’ on the ground. Literally ‘sharks’ teeth’ although in reality they’re just white triangles. Think of them as give way signs on the ground and you won’t go wrong.

    Cycle paths are great, but go with the direction of traffic. That is to say, if there’s a cycle path on both sides of the road, treat it like an extension of the road. You wouldn’t drive the wrong way along the inside lane of a dual carriageway. Don’t do it on the cycle paths. Same deal for roundabouts. Unbelievably, you get the occasional idiot trying to ride the wrong way round a roundabout to make the third exit the first and save literal seconds. It’s become a sort of urban myth that in NL the car driver is at fault regardless. It’s not true – one of the most common causes of bicycle related deaths here is typically boomers or teenagers playing these stupid games and winning these stupid prizes. Under Dutch law their estate is liable for the damage.

    If there’s a cycle path, use it. Also, NL is fantastic to cycle in as long as you’re not a fanny. One thing that might shock you is the close passes on mixed use roads, though. You’ll probably be tempted to thump the side of the first car that does it to you, and you will be able to. However, it’s really not the same as over there – the speed differential will be a few kmh at best and soon enough it won’t feel any different from being passed by another cyclist.

    Watch out for Cantas, although you’ll hear them well before you see them.

    kormoran
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    The buffet breakfast on that ferry is very good value plus we snaffled/stocked up on extra bread/cheese/sliced meat/fruit etc and made a little picnic for day one. Also got a little flask filled with hot water for a cheeky between cafe brew

    misteralz
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    Agreed, but I’d only bother on the return leg. Dinner buffet both ways, and sneak out a baguette or two for breakfast on the return leg.

    Breakfast at De Dolfijn in IJmuiden. Seafood platter with an appropriate white wine. Or a tin of Chocomel.

    airvent
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    Does anyone tour there on an ebike and if so how does one charge it?

    mick_r
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    90% of touring or day trippers (mostly pensioners) seem to have ebikes. Almost all of the places we stayed at have dedicated fietsenstalling with ebike charging points. Think there were also some public ones and there are numerous bike parking garages in cities.

    airvent
    Free Member

    Thanks, that sounds promising.

    mick_r
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    You seriously won’t have a problem with ebikes. One smallish campsite where we had a cabin had an entire barn for guest bikes – over 100 bikes with just a handful non-electric. Quick google of the smallest hotel we stayed at (where your room key also opened the bike lockup) threw up this image:

    Screenshot 2024-12-08 21.34.01

    anorak
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    Even Mcdonalds have charging points!

    matt_outandabout
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    Can I also check: taking a bike on a train? Specifically looking at The Hague to Haarlem or Amsterdam.

    midlifecrashes
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    In general: trains yes, trams no. Off peak and your bike needs it’s own ticket.

    https://www.ns.nl/en/travel-information/bikes-on-the-train.html

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