Biden. Stay or go?

… So, time to move on and just get behind electing Biden.

Hate to break it to you pal, but there’s **** all any of us can do to influence the result this side of the Atlantic.

Does anyone genuinely believe he can win?

Can or will? The latest poll numbers put it as undecided, so yes he can, but so can Trump. Will he? Nobody knows at this stage.

To be fair, it does make the lead up to the election pretty fun now, waiting for Biden to slip up, i mean they’re not exactly small slip ups now, mixing up Putin and Trump for Zelensky and Harris is pretty much as big as you get, what will his next gaff be, he’s starting to sound like an old relative you usually wheel to the corner at family gatherings now!

With Trump prone to trumpeting himself during his speeches, and making little to no sense, it’ll be a proper battle of the octogenarians this time round!

its worth remembering how many tv adverts there are in the US in the run up to an election – way more than here (due to “pacs”) – so in the run up to the election itself there’s just going to be endless clips of biden messing things up, shown on loop, on all major channels. He doesn’t need to not slip up again, its already too late for that narrative to change

Support from Black voters is why Biden crushed Bernie Sanders in the primaries last time around, and also why he beat Trump. He still has overwhelming support from Black voters.

https://x.com/keithboykin/status/1811791630988624260

It’s starting to remind me of the Frankie Goes To Hollywood Two Tribes music video.

Whilst being interviewed a few day’s ago, Bidden stated, “I’ll step down when God Almighty tells me to step down”.

Which is code for ‘If I drop dead’, of course.

Democrats need to sort this out quickly and then get behind their candidate, be it Biden or anyone else. Of course, they won’t.

I reckon he’ll be gone by next week. Momentum is building.

With Trump prone to trumpeting himself during his speeches, and making little to no sense

Yeah, but HIS supporters like that kind of thing.

The debate debacle hasn’t caused his poll numbers to tank

Yeah unfortunately with third parties – that exist, like RFK Jr – he still only has a 1% lead over Trump. That’s not good enough.

Much like the UK Labour party preferred the tories to Corbyn, the democrats would rather Trump be president than AOC.

Outstanding crowbar there!

Can or will? The latest poll numbers put it as undecided, so yes he can, but so can Trump. Will he? Nobody knows at this stage.

Right now it’s not a toss up.  Trump is ahead due to the nature of the electoral college system.

It’s not enough for Biden to continue as is (because his ‘as is’ at the moment is bleeding more voters every time he opens his mouth).

He needs to actually start improving and pulling ahead of Trump.  Does anyone really believe there is any chance of that?

I’ll step down when God Almighty tells me to step down”.

For me that’s a good thing for him to have said as it gives him an out preserving his dignity which he deserves. He can say he’s prayed for guidance and god has spoken to him and told him that in the best interests of his country he should withdraw.

I like that avdave2 and surely they’ll lap that up over there.

Gretchen Whitmer’s name keeps getting put there out there as a replacement.

‘I’ll step down when God almighty tells me to step down’

We just need to work out who he really meant..

Yeah unfortunately with third parties – that exist, like RFK Jr – he still only has a 1% lead over Trump. That’s not good enough.

There have been occasions when the popular vote winner has lost in the Electoral College (EC) vote process that determines the president. Al Gore (2000) and Hillary Clinton (2016) were the most recent candidates to win the vote from the people, but lose in the EC

Hopefully the fact that Reps have benefitted from this on every occasion isn’t an omen 🙂

bear in mind also that there’s no way the Trump supporters are not going to accept Trump losing anyway. Biden might scrape it,  but if he wins on anything other than a massive margin the Republicans will likely escalate to violence (again)

He can’t announce a shock exit without a plan B. The implications of chaos in the Democratic Party would be too disturbing to the campaign.

Behind the scenes the Democrats will already have a plan B in case he dies, let alone decides to step aside. He is cloning onto being cohesive now, but imagine another 4 years of decline like the last 4, let alone the prospect of an acceleration in his decline which is more likely. The thought of removing a sitting president is far worse for the party than removing a candidate.

The decision to remove him will have already been made behind closed doors. They just need to wait for an orderly and planned handover, and the wheels of that will be in motion behind the scenes right now, to take effect pretty quickly given that there is still enough time to win this if they sort themselves out now.

LOL at the idea that the Illuminati have already worked everything out in the background somehow.

Biden is the only chance the Dems have of beating trump.

Possible replacements would be Harris, Newsom, Whitmore or Landrieu.

If Biden wins he should then stand down and bow out while he still has something going for him.

None of the possible replacements have the organisation/structure/team, backers, donors or money.

If trump wins that will allow both Thomas and Alito to stand down from the Supreme Court and be replaced by much younger versions of themselves which will embed right wing bias for decades to come.

A further consideration  – if trump wins, it’s likely the senate will flip.

An authoritarian, vindictive, egotistical bully as president with both houses and the Supreme Court behind him – that’s what american voters should be focussed on and very scared of.

He has been an incredibly competent and successful politician, statesman and vice president (and obviously now president) for decades. Sadly now too old.

Biden is the only chance the Dems have of beating trump.

He currently has no chance.  He is level in the polls (at best).  Thanks to the electoral college he needs to be ahead.

If he doesn’t improve his numbers it’s over.

What exactly can he do to improve his numbers?  All he can do is not have any more gaffes in the next 4 months (unlikely) and that just means he loses by a slightly tighter margin than if he continues having gaffes every time he opens his mouth.

What can he do to win votes?

None of the possible replacements have the organisation/structure/team, backers, donors or money.

The donors are on strike because they feel misled about Biden’s condition and are disappointed at his underperformance (sez The Rest Is Politics US).

Where is Obama?

Obama gave the green light for Clooney’s hit piece on Buden (some source).

Behind the scenes the Democrats will already have a plan B…The decision to remove him will have already been made behind closed doors. They just need to wait for an orderly and planned handover

I’m not getting “diligent, calm and organised” vibes from the Democratic Party at the moment (admittedly, those vibes are filtered through media outlets chosen according to my prejudices).

frankconway
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Biden is the only chance the Dems have of beating trump.

Possible replacements would be Harris, Newsom, Whitmore or Landrieu.

If Biden wins he should then stand down and bow out while he still has something going for him.

None of the possible replacements have the organisation/structure/team, backers, donors or money.

Yep, this. It reminds me in a lot of ways of when Labour spent so long trying to bring down Corbyn, got their VONC through and then went “right now who will we replace him with”? And it turned out they didn’t have anyone, nobody wanted him in charge but nobody else wanted the job. Maybe it’s going better behind the scenes and there’s a clever democrat engine getting it done but all the noise seems to be “get Biden to step down…” and very little of it seems to be “…and replace him with X, who has a better chance.” There’s a possible path to victory, is there a likely one? So much of it seems to be just indulgent, unproductive griping. “How dare the guy we put in charge get old? It’s HIS FAULT, bring him down” Like, no senior democrat or significant funder can really be saying “oh this caught us completely by surprise because we didn’t know that time passes and that being president is hard”

TBF I doubt Biden would be running at all if they had a strong heir lined up and a dependable gameplan, but equally I think there’s very little chance of him stepping down unless there’s a really viable, good alternative ready to go. And he’s probably right about that. I think he’d consider it a betrayal to step down and leave a vaccuum and I surely don’t think anyone can trust the democrat org to do all the right things. Bottom line is if they’re going to lose anyway it’s almost certainly better to lose with Biden and make a clean break after. Alternative candidates are certainly weighing up whether they want to run and lose rather than waiting to run next time without that history, especially since it’s likely to be so divisive.

The other thing is that polling at this point doesn’t really seem to support the “debate doomed biden” chat, especially in some of the critical states. In fact the polls are surprisingly stable, with a few wildcards. Now that’s not exactly good news, because it still puts Biden behind, and holding fairly steady right now is not what’s needed. But it does seem weirdly at odds with the wider discussion.

Randomly, the Project 2025 stuff does seem to be landing blows on Trump and his team certainly are worrying about it and trying to get ahead of it (I have no idea why, when nothing else has ever stuck) and some of the fencesitting media do seem to be finally taking a position, it’s easy to forget how far out they still are and how much can change. The whole “clash of two shit candidates” makes everything less predictable than it seems, and frankly there’s a good chance of either one of them being completely unfit (for clarity I think both are currently unfit but I mean properly, fully incapable of even sitting in the seat) before the election.

It’s horrible but the best chance is for trump to have that massive coronary or

So much of it seems to be just indulgent, unproductive griping.

Hold on, hold on – it’s not indulgent or unproductive to point out that the guy regularly can’t remember what he’s saying in the middle of big events, that stubbornness and reality denial are not going to help him respond to emerging challenges, and that he’s failed at succession planning!

Of course it is when you provide no alternative, no solution. I mean in another year it might be productive but when the alternative is Trump who also can’t keep track of what he’s saying and denies reality through choice.

(also, succession planning isn’t really the president’s job, it’s the DNC’s responsibility)

Well this’ll put the cat among the pigeons

Oh dear 🙁

Guessing it will help Trump more than hinder him

Of course it is when you provide no alternative, no solution.

The solution would have been for Biden to quit and the convention to pick a new candidate for the Democratic Party, just as it has in many previous elections. Just because there is not perfect condensus on the perfect candidate, it doesn’t mean there is no alternative to Biden. He’s not the only one that can win – esp when it’s not clear that he can win again at all.

RustyNissanPrairie Full Member

Keep Biden

Assassinate Trump

(don’t worry I’m only in charge of the stationary cupboard)

Posted 1 day ago

You almost got for you wished for on this and the other thread. ?

^the power of STW!

Watching the footage, an inch or two difference of the bullets trajectory would have been enough to save thousands of Ukrainian’s lives.

Guessing it will help Trump more than hinder him

I’m honestly much less sure than some of the posters on the DT thread. I can envisage a situation where the MAGA crowd end up behaving in a way that motivates everyone else in unexpected ways. I’m obviously not saying ‘that is’ going to happen, the only thing ive learned with any confidence about US politics is that to me, it doesn’t do what I think it logically should do.

Replacing Biden is the Dems only hope now. He can’t compete with the raised fist (oh the irony) and the cry of ‘Fight!’

Trump will win regardless so maybe let Biden bash on, do the time, and hope to find a decent democratic candidate for 2028?

Biden says he will not seek re-election.

I hope that those colleagues who undermined him are right, it will be a disaster if they’re not.

He’s going!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1e5xpdzkd8o

– Edit –

Beaten to it.

Trump will win regardless so maybe let Biden bash on, do the time, and hope to find a decent democratic candidate for 2028?

Or . . . . Trump would definitely win against Biden, but a different Democratic candidate might beat him, so thank goodness he’s finally done the decent thing.

Obama as VP hopefully.

Surely the dems can find a candidate that isn’t damaged goods? I’m not holding my breath though.