BBC – Questiontime

this week is on next will we have a running commentary on this

To think that little creep lives just down the road from us – still, very funny in deed.

Night all!

crumbs he,s made himself look a right ****t!!!

Well the bnp certainly don't look any better for having been on qt but I think it was a bit of a missed opportunity to make them look even more stupid.

I doubt it

I would love to tell you what i think of him. But i think i would get a ban.

Guido – 'celt' is a made up term from the mid C18th.

We don't know who they where or what they called themselves. The Anglo-Saxon invasion/settler wave started towards the end of the C5th as Romano-Britons paid Germanic mercenaries to protect them in the absence of the Legions who had been withdrawn by Rome.
According to Dr Robin McKie's book Face of Britain (based on the human genome work) the Angles, Saxons and Danes cannot be differentiated, but the Norse (Norwegian) 'Vikings' can.

Anyway, final result?

The problem is that everyone's "having a go" at him yet to listen to what he's saying I fear much of it will still appeal to a lot of people – all this program's done is to show how crap the other parties still are. NG isn't the one interrupting and slagging off the others – I've the feeling that the BBC have pitched this wrong and underestimated many of it's audience. I don't support the BNP or NG but just to have him being slagged off by those that many actually don't hold in high regard themselves is back-firing I reckon.

good start by alan davies about racism and multiculturalism

Griffen – 0 Straw -1 LibDem Guy – 1 Tory lass – 3 Dimbleby – 4 Bonnie Greer – 4

BBC – 10/10 for showing why it's the greatest broadcasting organisation in the world.

muddy
Celt comes from the anicent Greek word 'Keoliti' meaning barberians IE non Greek therefore uncivilised.
Caesar and tacitus said that the Britons, french etc spoke a form of greek! so the term 'Celt' stuck.

Yes the Dr is quite correct-i myself have that gene that makes your little finger turn in on its self. Its only found in scandinavia and Dublin (founded by scandinavian vikings). My dad is from dublin.
i wonder what Griffin would do to me?

God Jack Straw doesn't half go on!

Think Nick is a tool, his ideas are crazy, but i can't help thinking any publicity is better than none…

That conservative lass was good I thought.

shame they spent most of the evening about race – i'd like to see the bnp exosed for the one dimensional party they are – unfortunatley they only covered that dimension.

The last Ice Age in Europe ended circa 10'000yrs ago. Any indiginous population in Europe prior to that would have been forced out and evidence destroyed.
Many scientists seem to agree on the end of the last ice age as the point where modern human migration into northern Europe really began in any significant numbers, and that point is circa 10'000yrs ago. The land bridge to the mainland disappeared around a thousand yrs later.
Robin McKie's book does claim that all 50% of the DNA of all white, indiginous Britons is descended from those original settlers circa 9'000yrs ago. As Ms Greer said, the only real and significant human population in the northern sector of western and central Europe were the Neanderthal, who were more adapted to the extreme climate.
Not to say pockets of modern humans didn't survive there though.

it was nice with allen but dodgy start calling then the chocolate hob nob and custard creme IMHO ?
Like his comment about Griffin being attacked by everyone being reflective of his standing.
Dick Griffin did get panned though…will it be just me and Kimbers then?

Clever strategy to leave the Stephen Gately/Jan Moir question 'til last because that's where NG looked the most exposed as he floundered unprepared into the shallow waters of his hatred.

Bonnie Greer was excellent, as was "Tory Lass" at times in repudiating NG's evasions and distortions (she'll still not get my vote though)

Me too

Did Diane Abbott more or less say that Londoners would get everybody ganging up on Nick the Dick, but people outside London might sympathise with him?

Guido – the term 'celt' was never used by Caesar, his generals or the historian Tacitus – in fac the only repeated term in their writing was 'britonculli' which roughly translates as 'horrible littl britons'!

A man named Edward Llyudd first used the term in the modern era in the mid C18th. As you said, it is a greek insult similar to the Roman 'barbarian'. Llyudd found it in classical writings and took it out of context to mean the peoples of northern Europe. It was only meant to denigrate the people who lived inland from the Ionian Sea by the Greek dwellers of the City-States.

We continue to use the term because we simply do not know who they considered themselves to be or what they called each other. Even the tribal names we have are Roman bastardisations of names.

OMG = 100+ posts on apolitical subject and no inane pontificating by ernie!!!! 😯

How on earth could anyone have thought there was a problem with allowing Griffin on QT?

Absolutely the right thing to do. Let the guy show himself for what he is.

It was slightly "let's gang up on the smelly spotty kid" which offended my sense of fair play, but the guy did so little (read: f*ck all) to redeem himself it was inevitable.

A victory for freedom of speech.

Last wine-fuelled post from me, I'm off to bed.

Did Diane Abbott more or less say that Londoners would get everybody ganging up on Nick the Dick, but people outside London might sympathise with him?

Nail on head – BBC making the same old assumption that London represents the whole of the UK – doh!

muddydwarf – Member
The last Ice Age in Europe ended circa 10'000yrs ago

have you appropriated all the apostrophes mislaid by the Ebay bike mechanic earlier in the week ??

"Nail on head – BBC making the same old assumption that London represents the whole of the UK – doh!"

As the broadsheets do……..

Muddy
i wondered if you would pick up on the ice age thing. 😆
I doubt there would have been pockets of people tho.

There was an excavation of a Neolithic burial in Cornwall (IIRC) and DNA was extracted somehow and was found to have a reletive in a village about 6 miles away. Something like 6,000 years diffrence!

Going OT here so: Down with Griffin. Vote Guido

Well he's certainly no Jean-Marie Le Pen 😯

I couldn't believe how bad he was. OK unlike other guests he's got little or no experience in front of cameras, but I expected him to be a little more slick – he was absolutely **** useless. He's got a lovely smile though

I couldn't figure out his claim that the indigenous British people are the ones who were here 17,000 ago. Did he really say 17,000 ago ? Surely that excludes the Anglo-Saxons ? I bet they won't be very pleased 😐

Bit disapointed with it as a debate. Was expecting Griffin to be more polished but just seemed to be flustered all the time maybe 'cos he spent most of the time on the back foot. Thought it was more of a pub style debate with it all getting very heated. Did expose most of his premises as bogus though – like KKK video, holocaust, indigineous etc.

Immigration was the highlight for me. Personally I think this country has lost the plot around immigration for a number of years – and no, I don't agree with the BNP view of what to do about it. Jack Straw squirming like a true politician when put on the spot and not answering questions. This summed up the difference between the two. Straw talked and said nothing so you couldn't really take him to task over it. Griffin under pressure blurts out their policies and ideas which are then ridiculed for what they are.

100+ posts on apolitical subject and no inane pontificating by ernie

I had already done some pontificating earlier….pay attention.

You can't keep a good man down – eh ernie? 🙂

I had already done some pontificating earlier….pay attention.

Ah I must have had my dullness filter set to on.

do we really have a problem with immigration?
give me an example

i cant see one myself, we have a problem with innequality and deprivation
as alan davies said people assume they are owed a life of luxury based on credit ratings
those that dont have that fall into the same old nazi trap of point at the foreigners and blame them because they dont have what they think are owed: the lifestyle of becks, jordan or an xfactor winner [edit]

so the bnp is rascist?

jeeeesus this country is full of slow people.

too right kimbers its the whites(i'm white)that need to sort themselves out and get off their lazy arses!

Ah I must have had my dullness filter set to on.

Well if you're going to be rude ……. I might just not share my pontifications with you. Nice to know that I was missed though

do we really have a problem with immigration?

Yes we do imo. Sadly it's an issue which no political party is prepared to tackle without a racist dimension to it 😐

but what is the problem, explain it to me i live in a niceish part of west london and work in kensington

the only immigrants i encounter are hardworking likeable people who seem quite happy to put as much in as they get from this country

Simon – yes, i got a whole bagful!

Guido – in the book there is the case of a male schoolteacher who's family have lived in the Cheddar area for as long as they can remember.
When they did the mitrochondrial DNA test on the preserved corpse found in one of the caves and then tested the local population he was found to be a direct matrilineal descendant of the corpse – over 9'000yrs later!

Vote Guido – then we can burn him in two weeks! 😉

do we really have a problem with immigration?

IMO the population of the country is higher than we can realistically support long term and apart from very recently has grown too fast. Simplistically this is driven by births, deaths, immigration, emmigration. Out of these immigration is easiest to put controls round.

EDIT – that sounds like I would suggest putting controls around the others which wasn't the case!!!!

The problem is that everyone's "having a go" at him yet to listen to what he's saying I fear much of it will still appeal to a lot of people

Can't help feeling that this little excursion onto QT by the BNP has further legitimised it in the eyes of it's members.

in certain skill areas – yes.

i'm the same there's only polish where i live and they all seem to be hard working,they don't cause trouble and mix quite well.in fact i respect them for it as it must be hard to have to leave your homeland for economic reasons

IMO the population of the country is higher than we can realistically support long t

really?
most of this country is uninhabited, we have plenty of food we generate vast amounts of wealth- it just needs to be redistributed better
unemployment is low