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A year-long academic study carried out by researchers at a Scottish university has revealed that both the BBC and STV have been favouring the No campaign in their TV news coverage of the independence referendum.
The study revealed:Reporting Scotland broadcast 272 news items deemed favourable to the No campaign against only 171 favourable to Yes. STV was only marginally less biased with the 255 for No and 172 for Yes.
Statements which made use of academic, scientific or 'independent' evidence favoured the No campaign by 22 to 4 on BBC Scotland and by 20 to 7 on STV.
Personalising independence arguments as being the wishes of Alex Salmond appeared 35 times on BBC and 34 times on ITV with no such personalisation of any of the No campaign's arguments.
Broadcasts containing language that was considered insulting to independence campaigners occurred on 18 times on both BBC Scotland and STV but language interpreted as insulting to pro-Union campaigners appeared only 3 times on each broadcaster’s news reports.
Finishing a broadcast item with anti-independence claims which were unchallenged happened 28 times on BBC Scotland and 34 times on STV whilst ending items with unchallenged pro-independence claims occurred only 8 times and 17 times respectively.
Apparently the BBC emailed the researchers disputing their findings and demanding to see the raw data - and copied the email to the university chancellor.
Pretty dodgy...
Is it because an independent Scotland is a stupid and expensive idea?
A year-long academic study carried out by researchers at a [b]Scottish[/b] university h
Predicts follow up being 'an academic study carried out by a non-Scottish group of an academic study carried out by a Scottish University has concluded that the study was biased'.
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Can we have a separate forum for Scotchish threads? They do rather seem to be taking over the place!
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Let's have a vote on forum independence!
Let's have a vote on forum independence!
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The main conclusion I seem to draw from this is that Scots who are pro-independence are more easily offended than those that aren't?
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L'hammer du ban sanglant est levé!
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The main conclusion I seem to draw from this is that Scots who are pro-independence are more easily offended than those that aren't?
I haven't seen anyone suggesting thats what it's about at all.
It's all about being balanced. Totally equal balance is hard to achieve, but a strong bias one way or the other from the BBC which is meant to be impartial is unfair to the Yes Campaign.
University of the West of Scotland?? One of the worst Universities in the UK, sorry but I'll ignore their findings.
Wouldn't call that an academic study, as such. Just some doss-bags watching telly and seeing what they want to see - 'deemed favourable', 'considered insulting'. Pish, really.
The BBC a soft propaganda outlet for the government? Who would have thought it?!
Quels pneus pour assaut les barricades?
Mind you, aren't the BBC supposed to attempt 'balance' as in broadly reflecting the views of the people - and given that most people in Scotland seem to be in favour of a no vote according to current polls it sounds like the balance is about right.
If they are supposed to give equal weight to any view then you run into the problem of giving equal airtime to creationists as you do scientists, or holocaust deniers and credible historians. 😉
Maybe there are just many more compelling arguments against independence on a day-to-day basis?
I'm off to start a thread slamming BBC pro-independence bias (in the interests of fair coverage on STW, obviously)
They actually do get into to trouble for doing that as some folk argue they try to get balance that they give too much air time to views which are very marginal - like the ones you mention
The establishment in being a bit establishment and conservative with a small c just like they are liberal with a small L
there was a piece on R4 last night that i thought was quite Yes-positive.
actually, there have been a few - talking about it as if it's a done deal.
I'm sorry but a University that describes Paisley as:
cannot be taken seriously!Paisley - Urban, Contemporary, Dynamic
Apparently the BBC emailed the researchers disputing their findings and demanding to see the raw data - and copied the email to the university chancellor.
'We said something and they told our Dad, Wagh!!'
What bobbins. WGAF?
Is this actually bias though? There may well be more 'No' stories than 'Yes' studies.
ohnohesback - Member
The BBC a soft propaganda outlet for the government? Who would have thought it?!
It has been found to be anti government on previous issues.
Cressers drawing this sort of conclusion from one study? Who would have thought it?!
Why would the academic be afraid of sharing the raw data? If you're going to publish controversial material, then it's to be expected, even if you attack a soft target like the Beeb, which normally hand-wrings over any criticism.
I was playing devil's advocate slightly (aka trolling) but it is a serious point. Say the BBC goes out in the street and does 15 2 minute interviews with people - if 11 of them are anti independence, should the ones they show reflect that, or be evenly split?
Just read the report and it's got plenty of results but very little on the methods and criteria used to determine whether an item is pro or anti.
"Demanding" to see the data sounds very harsh, but as anyone who works in academia knows we're all being pushed towards open data and publishing datasets as well as any papers we write.
Maybe there are just many more compelling arguments against independence on a day-to-day basis?
Could be true, but the analysis in the article should account for that as it takes into account rebuttals of headlines etc.
is that Scots [s]who are pro-independence[/s] are [s]more[/s] easily offended
In a nutshell.
If, as a Nation, you are still narked by the result at Bannockburn, you need to let it go, and move on.
Grum - ad hoc vox-popping and polling in the street on something so sensitive would be editorial suicide however you conducted it. It's a complete no-win situation.
If, as a Nation, you are still narked by the result at Bannockburn, you need to let it go, and move on.
ScottChegg - This is the whole iScotland issue in a nutshell.
Mind you, aren't the BBC supposed to attempt 'balance' as in broadly reflecting the views of the people - and given that most people in Scotland seem to be in favour of a no vote according to current polls it sounds like the balance is about right.
Indeed - a solid 50:50 in coverage would be more indicative of a bias unless the electorate was similarly split. In other political campaigns would you expect the BNP or the Greens to get equal amounts of coverage to the mainstream parties?
The news items published/reported/broadcast can only also reflect the news thats being generated by either campaign- if one campaign is making more noise than another then the broadcasters can't invent news to counterbalance that.
If, as a Nation, you are still narked by the result at Bannockburn, you need to let it go, and move on.
Erm, the Scots won at Bannockburn?
This is the whole iScotland issue in a nutshell.
Lazy trolling, I've seen very little of this type of argument from anyone, except from lazy trolls on internet forums.
Statements which made use of academic, scientific or 'independent' evidence favoured the No campaign by 22 to 4 on BBC Scotland and by 20 to 7 on STV.
Isn't that like complaining that 99% of statements on climate change say it exists? Or that 100% of reports say an apples falls down, not up? The heliocentric view of the solar system is unfairly represented compared to the geocentric view?
I was playing devil's advocate slightly (aka trolling) but it is a serious point. Say the BBC goes out in the street and does 15 2 minute interviews with people - if 11 of them are anti independence, should the ones they show reflect that, or be evenly split?
If they interviewed 15 people and asked them what does 2+2 equal and eleven people say "4" and four people say '5' is the outcome of that the news that "2+2=4" or is it that "it could equal 4 or 5 depending on your views" or that "2+2=somewhere between 4 and 5"
Thats the problem broadcasters have with trying to balance a story, particularly if its a very binary one - is how you reflect the weight of two arguments. Where it goes spectacularly wrong is the instances that lead to MMR hoax where the volume of argument and weight evidence were very heavily stacked on one side of the argument but giving both the pro and anti vaccination lobbies a voice made it appear that the medical community was equally split (both in number and validity) into two camps. Balancing the argument actually massively distorted it .
Lazy trolling, I've seen very little of this type of argument from anyone, except from lazy trolls on internet forums.
I admit I was trolling but without going round the houses again, I think this whole thing has been done to death on here, a significant component of Scottish Nationalism is fueled by some romantic William Wallace, "the English are too blame for all our problems" mentality.
There are sensible arguments put forward by both sides, for and against but at the heart of a lot of the "Yes" feeling is a misguided sense of identity.
Indeed - a solid 50:50 in coverage would be more indicative of a bias unless the electorate was similarly split. In other political campaigns would you expect the BNP or the Greens to get equal amounts of coverage to the mainstream parties?The news items published/reported/broadcast can only also reflect the news thats being generated by either campaign- if one campaign is making more noise than another then the broadcasters can't invent news to counterbalance that.
Not sure you can equate a yes/no vote to the complexities of a general election campaign with many minor parties. I would expect the state broadcaster to aim for balance within items (ie right to reply), and broadly level coverage of the output of both campaigns. If reporters were tending to generate their own 'no' angle stories, or picking up more often on 'no' press releases, as an editor I'd want to know why.
If the research is correct, then that has gone too far in one direction.
Part of the problem is that negative news stories will always tend to outweigh positive ones. The 'No' campaign has the advantage that it can release a stream of warnings about things that might go wrong if the status quo changes, while all the 'yes' campaign can do is rebut those claims, or put out mildly positive suggestions about the future of an independent Scotland.
A claim that an independent Scotland will sink into the North Sea will always grab attention more than a press release saying that it will stay afloat.
In fact, this claim of bias is a perfect example of a negative story being 'sexier' for news outlets.
Was this a mejia studies PhD?
To be fair, the point about personalising independence arguments as the wishes of AS may have some validity* tempered only by the Book of Dreams being just that - a poorly argue wish list with AS fronting it.
Given how unfair this personalisation is, it's a good job that AS doesn't try and personalise anything around Cameron and the posh Tory-toffs in return......
* who is the leader of the yes campaign?
Edit: I started off agreeing with you Grum (for a change) but in reflection.... 😉 I do not think that it is correct to split time (excuse the simplification here) according to current opinion polls etc. In the case of political debate with a bi-nominal outcome. Shouldn't there be the same (but less!!!) coverage of both sides of the argument allowing everyone to make their own mind up, especially given high percentage of undecided voters in this case.
Will the same university do a study in % of BS in the debate. I am sure that would redress the perceived coverage imbalance.
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a significant component of Scottish Nationalism is fueled by some romantic William Wallace, "the English are too blame for all our problems" mentality.
I'd disagree, I've come across very very little of that.
"significant" is a big claim, is this just in your experience or are you just guessing. And you're right, it been done to death elsewhere.
Dammit. Where's my French forum! I insist that my views are represented!
My work here is done 😀
If they are supposed to give equal weight to any view then you run into the problem of giving equal airtime to creationists as you do scientists, or holocaust deniers and credible historians.
But that doesn't apply here. In fact both sides (bar a few loons on each side) agree that independence is perfectly viable for Scotland. The arguments are about the advantages and disadvantages.
Apparently the BBC emailed the researchers disputing their findings and demanding to see the raw data - and copied the email to the university chancellor.Pretty dodgy...
How is asking to see the raw data dodgy? Surely open access to data is once of the fundamentals of good science?
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If they are supposed to give equal weight to any view then you run into the problem of giving equal airtime to creationists as you do scientists, or holocaust deniers and credible historians.
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This is correct.
The majority of Scots don't support independence and the weight of arguments favours remaining in the UK. In my opinion the BBC gives far too much favourable coverage to the yes campaign.
Oh god, have they not had the bloody vote yet............... 🙄
Yes, we did and it was resoundingly in favour of a French forum. Now give us what we voted for!
The majority of Scots don't support independence and the weight of arguments favours remaining in the UK. In my opinion the BBC gives far too much favourable coverage to the yes campaign.
Bit of a circular argument though. If the BBC coverage always favours one side over the other how the other side hope to catch up to sway public opinion to get the extra coverage?
the weight of arguments favours remaining in the UK
That's very debatable given how little actual facts are on the table.
As the polls seem to indicate that the independance campaign will lose, seems to me that they are lining up their excuses.
If they do reject independance, I hope it is by a convincing majority or this navel gazing belly aching will come back to haunt us every couple of years until Salmond gets his way, regardless of the democratic views of his people
Yes, we did and it was resoundingly in favour of a French forum. Now give us what we voted for!
Pardon!
C'est exact.
La majorité des Ecossais ne soutiennent pas l'indépendance et le poids des arguments faveurs restants au Royaume-Uni. À mon avis, la BBC donne beaucoup trop de couverture favorable de la campagne du oui.
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BBC bias - Scottish independence content
Could just as easily be
Newsnetscotland bias - Scottish independence content
Newsnetscotland bias - Scottish independence content
Aye, pretty sure they're a pro yes blog/news site. But the paper itself is from an academic. He'd have to be very brave or silly to release something that was fiddled to show bias.
Grum - ad hoc vox-popping and polling in the street on something so sensitive would be editorial suicide however you conducted it. It's a complete no-win situation.
OK maybe a bad example.
What if you decided to do a feature on how business leaders feel about independence - you contact a few of the largest scottish companies to see if anyone will come on to do an interview - the only people who are willing to come on are strongly anti-independence. Is it then biased to only reflect those views in the interviews?
Hardly. Just look at the statements - they're hardly exact in terms of what is considered positive or negative.
The basic problem is the lack of an English parliament without which they keep trying to lay claim to the British parliament at Westminster.
Without addressing this issue there will be no settlement within the UK, whether the Scots choose independence or not.
Once the English, who unwittingly lost their independence on 1707 at the same time the Scots knowingly have it up, have an assembly or parliament like the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish, the he West Lothian question and 90% of the other frictional issues would melt away.
An English assembly might be based somewhere in the centre of England,say Manchester or York, and would help move political and economic power away from the south coast - highly desirable in this day and age.
We could also cement what has been a mutually beneficial union (in economic terms at least) for over 300 years, by building HS2 in the right place, linking Manchester, Leeds, York, Newcastle, Edinburgh and Glasgow in a big circle, complementing the existing express lines into London on the west and east coasts.
Anything else I need to cover?
Oh yes, 29ers and 26ers are both good but I just don't get 650b.
" winston_dog - Member
I'm sorry but a University that describes Paisley as:
Paisley - Urban, Contemporary, Dynamic
cannot be taken seriously! "
I'm sorry - any moron that thinks an evidence based report is somehow overridden by their personal opinion of something written on the web cannot be taken seriously.
I think thats fair if it was done without 'adding another layer'
Eg. Scottish parliamentary seats should have one MP who sits in the Scottish parliament for devolved issues, but also represents and votes as part of the westminster parliament on reserved and national issues - rather than the current system.
[b]BBC bias[/b] - Scottish independence content
A year-long academic study carried out by researchers at a Scottish university has revealed that both the BBC [b]and STV[/b] have been favouring the No campaign in their TV news coverage of the independence referendum.
BBC in headline even though body text refers to BBC and another media outlet - no anti BBC bias there then is there.
Paisley - Urban, Contemporary, Dynamic
Home of some top notch comedians, especially the one that thought that up.
I'm sorry - any moron that thinks an evidence based report is somehow overridden by their personal opinion of something written on the web cannot be taken seriously.
Have you ever been to Paisley?
I'm sorry - any moron that thinks an evidence based report is somehow overridden by their personal opinion of something written on the web cannot be taken seriously.
You mean like the "evidence based" report of those weapons of mass distraction that saddam husein had?
BBC in headline even though body text refers to BBC and another media outlet - no anti BBC bias there then is there.
Fair point. But people (perhaps wrongly) expect more from the BBC.
I find Alex Salmon heavily biased in favour of the Yes campaign. Surely he should campaign for both sides equally......
This looks fairly pro-independence.
[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266[/url]
The netnewsscotland website is run by the despicable cybernats. It shouldn't be give any rational consideration as anything other than low rent propaganda.
I expected more of the OP.
This looks fairly pro-independence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24866266
if that's the conclusion you draw, great, but that article is just stating facts. Pretty objective I thought. The piece from UWS looks at hundreds of articles, one doesn't prove or disprove anything.
The netnewsscotland website is run by the despicable cybernats. It shouldn't be give any rational consideration as anything other than low rent propaganda.
Anyone who refers to either the Yes or No campaigns by such childish nicknames such as cybernats doesn't deserve a lot of time. I expected more from STW posters.
Hmm Scottish independance
Will it change my life? No
Will I still have Scottish friends and relatives? Yes
OK can we move on now?
Est-ce que j'ai raté le bus pour le forum Francais?
Oui, le bus est déjà parti. vous avez eu à payer pour cela aussi !!! 😉
(Odd how autospell changes oui into ouija - spooky)
OK can we move on now?
Are you trying to stifle the debate? yes? Good man, let's everyone just shut up and we'll see what happens come the vote.
With the polls as they are these stories will continue to proliferate.
Forget the Wallace stuff! The price of independence? 52% of scots would vote yes if they were £500 better of.
But only 9% reckon that they will be. Time for more smoke and mirrors. Cue the university of (where was it?)...
igm - Member
The basic problem is the lack of an English parliament without which they keep trying to lay claim to the British parliament at Westminster.
Without addressing this issue there will be no settlement within the UK, whether the Scots choose independence or not...
That is really the basic issue which should have been addressed 150 years ago.
The Irish might still be with us if the UK had acted like a federation of states.
It's too late now though, and the Scots will be waving goodbye come September.
As for the polls, for years these repeatedly have told us the SNP is going down the gurgler, yet somehow it keeps increasing its vote, so the only poll that matters is the real one.
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Epicyclo - absolutely. I was thinking of the top room in the Dublin municipal museum (don't know the correct name) when I wrote it.
For those who don't know it tells the story of the fifty years or so leading up to Easter 1916 and is very sobering when you look at Scotland today.
For the record, Yorkshire based Scot, no vote, against independence.
It's a tartan Question Time on BBC 1 tonight. Time for some independence BS bingo!!!! (Not just from the yes camp!!)