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How much air is required to fill a tyre??
Say a 26" 2.3


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 10:20 am
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To what pressure...


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 10:26 am
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Surely the volume [i]in[/i] the tyre is the same regardless of the pressure it is at ๐Ÿ˜‰


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 10:28 am
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druidh - my point as well (arguing at work)


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 10:36 am
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Are you talking about the volume of the air or the volume of the tyre?
A ten litre cylinder filled to 10 bar has 100 litres of air in it.
A ten litre cylinder filled to 100 bar has 1000 litres of air in it.
The volume of air is compressed by the pressure but the internal volume of the tank remains the same.
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Posted : 26/03/2012 10:43 am
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A ten litre cylinder filled to 10 bar has 100 litres of air in it.

Not quite: a ten litre cylinder filled to 10 bar has[b] the quantity of air that would occupy[/b] 100 litres[b] at 1 bar (atmospheric pressure) assuming temperature is the same[/b]

You could work out the volume of the tyre - it's sort of like a cylinder 2 and a bit inches in diameter and 26 inches high..


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 10:49 am
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to fill a 2.3 tyre to 30psi


 
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Around 355 cubic inches.

http://www.engineersedge.com/volume_calc/torus.htm

Assuming that the tyre is a perfect torus where a section through it would be a circle of 2.3" diameter.


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 10:50 am
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euain
I was trying to keep it simple without involving too many variables. To that end I also used bar and litres rather than psi and cubic inches.
The problem with bike tyres is that the sizes vary wildly so it is hard to give a cubic capacity. One brands 2.35 is like another brands 2.1.


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 10:58 am
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I make it about 5.5 litres at 1 bar, so about 11.5 litres at 31 psi (2.1 bar). Of course there is still actually only 5.5 litres of air in there


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 10:58 am
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Reason i ask is trying to make an inflator for tubeless tyres by suing a garden pressure sprayer. Wondering to go for a 5 or 10L version


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 11:12 am
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by suing a garden pressure sprayer

Where there's a blame there's a claim!


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 11:15 am
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grrr - need to sort out using and suing!


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 11:30 am
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I make it about 5.5 litres at 1 bar, so about 11.5 litres at 31 psi (2.1 bar). Of course there is still actually only 5.5 litres of air in there
I agree that the volume inside that size of tyre is approx 5.5L, but when you inflate a tyre to 31 psi (2.1 bar) you are inflating it to that much above atmospheric pressure (or above the 1 atm, reference side of a fixed guage). So you will need roughly 17 L of atmospheric pressure air to fill a tyre to that pressure.


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 11:38 am
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so if i buy a 5l version and pump it up then i will be fine?


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 12:29 pm
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I'm guessing that you're trying to use it to quickly seat a tubeless tyre?

In which case you'll need to get it up to 60psi so that when you inflate the tyre you'll effectively be doubling the volume (not quite as tyre is 5.5l rather than 5l)and therefore halving the pressure.

If that's not your goal then ignore me ๐Ÿ™‚


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 12:39 pm
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spot on


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 12:39 pm
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Then 5l if you can get it up to 60psi before the safety valve pops or 10l at 45psi (I think)


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 12:42 pm
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Just buy tyres that's don't need a compressor, just set up some flow rims with High Roller 2s 60a EXO Kevlar bead with a track pump and no soapy water.....soo easy


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 12:53 pm
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Safety valve on a 5L sprayer is about 3 bar or about 45PSI. Get a 10L, the valve will be the same.

Coincidentally, I use my 5L sprayer to clean up to three bikes after a winter ride.


 
Posted : 26/03/2012 1:27 pm