The different polling companies used different methodologies so you tend to get different results/ranking but with same general trends. One of the polling companies (I'm on the train so can't check)) try harder to include previously reluctant voters who may be more likely to vote now for challenger parties such as Greens or Reform. So they show higher for green/reform and lower Labour/Tory
TBH the polling is unlikely to be that good until a few elections and at least one GE has played through as there political landscape is so different now
But the consistent trends across all the polling is consistent enough to see what is going on though
Back up to second now, although the general point about squandering a mahoosive majority stands.
It shows no change for Labour. YouGov polls tend to show a lower level of support for Reform than some other pollsters.
1% in front of Badenoch's Tories and just 3% in front of the Greens is a truly appalling place to be for Labour. And they are only 4% in front of the LibDems FFS.
To make it even worse for Starmer the trend is showing support is slowly but consistently falling for Labour. If it carries on like this, and there is no evidence to suggest that it might change anytime soon, by the time of the general election in 3.5 years time Starmer will have reduced Labour to nothing more than a fringe party.
Except of course that Starmer won't be Leader of the Labour Party by the time of the next general election, whatever he is saying now.
Seeing as we apparently all love opinion polls, Your Party has managed to shed ⅓ of its potential support base since July: they've gone from 18% to 12% of voters that would even consider voting for them.
But tbh I don't think polls are terribly insightful anywhere.
2% of voters looking to vote for them as their first preference is fine... that's 1% for each* of them... that's higher** than for any other MP.
[ **No idea, just wondering what positive spin will be put on this. ]
[ *If we assume it's just the two "not the leaders" left come a general election. ]
But tbh I don't think polls are terribly insightful anywhere
Dunno, considering all the public shenanigans that have gone on since July a drop of only 6% does seem surprisingly low, but I still think that it gives some insight into YP's likely core support.
Although it would probably have been much better to wait until after this weekend's founding conference in Liverpool.
2% of voters looking to vote for them as their first preference is fine...
Tbh the weird bit for me was this:
"Around three in ten Your Party considers (28-30%) anticipate the new party being similar to Labour or the Liberal Democrats".
⅓ of people open to Your Party think it's going to end up the same as Labour or the Lib Dems?!?!
"Around three in ten Your Party considers (28-30%) anticipate the new party being similar to Labour or the Liberal Democrats".
⅓ of people open to Your Party think it's going to end up the same as Labour or the Lib Dems?!?!
That's one hell of a leap...... from "similar" to "the same as" ! In just the space of 2 sentences ! 🤣
I guess that it will depend on what people's perception of "similar" is.
Many people are switching from the Tories to Reform because they see Reform as similar as the Tories but not necessarily the same, otherwise there would be no point switching to Reform!
Likewise some people are likely to consider YP to be similar to Labour, as in allegedly left of centre, but not necessarily the same as Tory-Lite Labour.
Even allies of Corbyn say the former Labour leader can be hard to pin down, with an aversion to open conflict and a tendency to, as one person involved in the project put it, “disappear to his allotment for 24 hours without his phone”.
TBH this made me more sympathetic to Corbyn. The idea of trying to build anything with a bunch of Sultana-ites trying to do everything by WhatsApp and chasing zingers on social media at all times sounds exhausting. Going to the (metaphorical?) allotment occasionally seems like good work/life balance.
I wish he would disappear down his allotment for a lot longer than 24 hours!
The basic difference between Zahra Sultana and Jeremy Corbyn is that Sultana resigned from the Labour Party because she had the good sense to figure out that it was lost, whilst Corbyn was very reluctantly kicked out as he desperately tried to remain on the Labour Backbenches and maintain his doing bugger-all comfort zone.
That difference in attitude forms the basis of all the friction which currently exists imo. Plus Corbyn's tolerance of, and even attempts to work with, people with whom he shares no ideological commitment at all. It is the result of decades in the Labour Party, seven years ago it was Sir Keir Starmer today it's Adnan Hussain and Iqbal Mohamed.
Yes Corbyn's aversion to conflict is problem, all the more reason that he should step aside and let Sultana get on with it.
TBH this made me more sympathetic to Corbyn.
Think I said right at the beginning of this thread that Sultana and Corbyn (and the people behind them) were never going to be compatible. TBH though if Corbyn can't be arsed he needs to do one and let the younger generation get on with it. Sultana may be impetuous and attention-seeking but she also has energy and isn't stained with the bad smell of outdated 1980s socialism. She should probably join the green party but I doubt Polanski would want her stealing his thunder.
True but it is also her impetuousness (?) that gets her entangled in problematic legal and money tangles. She seems terminally online and thinks that announcing something in a tweet is the same as getting it done.
TBF I was never going to vote for YP so my carping is irrelevant. Maybe I'm just turning into my final form as a grumpy allotment dweller.
I wish he would disappear down his allotment for a lot longer than 24 hours!
I think I must have entirely misunderstood your opinion of Corbyn. What was all that defense of him due to his polling popularity and when I accused him of being a pantomime clown about? I thought you genuinely admired the guy.
There’s a guy (James Giles?) from ‘Your Party’ on Matt Chorley at the moment. He’s saying that they’re voting on the leadership model tomorrow and his preferred model would be shared leadership of an executive committee of 20.
Can you imagine 20 angry lefties coming to an agreed policy on anything whatsoever?
The 16 year discussion/argument about what to call the party, during the course of which 12 different rival factions will have been formed by disgruntled members, should be comedy gold 😂
She seems terminally online and thinks that announcing something in a tweet is the same as getting it done.
That doesn't actually reflect reality. Zahra Sultana is very active in the real world directly connecting people in small and mass gatherings. Last month she came to Croydon, a long way from her Coventry South Constituency, to speak and more importantly to answer questions. She also deals directly with the media, including the television, to argue the case and to face questions. The idea that she primarily operates behind a keyboard is frankly ridiculous.
And yes she does get things done, even if it means bouncing Corbyn out of his tranquil comfort zone by forcing his hand. If it wasn't Keir Starmer Corbyn would today be languishing on the Labour backbenches doing precious little. And if it wasn't for Zahra Sultana he would probably still be procrastinating about getting involved in a new radical left party.
The geezer needs a rocket up his arse, something which luckily Zahra Sultana seems to recognise.
There’s a guy (James Giles?) from ‘Your Party’ on Matt Chorley at the moment. He’s saying that they’re voting on the leadership model tomorrow and his preferred model would be shared leadership of an executive committee of 20.
Christ. *Supposedly* the Marxist entryists only want 11 people. The Politburo of the CPSU from the early 1970s (definitely some YP members' favourite political era) had only 18 voting members to control a country of 250 million people and fifteen republics.
Rumours have emerged that Counterfire – a Marxist and revolutionary socialist group, alongside the SWP – plan to propose an emergency motion to set up a new 11-person Your Party leadership team as soon as the conference begins on Saturday morning.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/11/your-partys-big-weekend
The pre-conference purges have begun: Your Party attendees that are members of the SWP have *reportedly* been uninvited. Unsigned screenshot of uncertain origin here:
Obviously these SWP guys are just taking the piss like usual, but it does bring back the transitional awkwardness YP had: on one hand, saying that the founding conference will decide the policies of the Party, but on the other hand, Corbyn and Sultana being able to off the cuff decide that the party is anti-Zionist or that the Party won't allow membership of other parties.
I predict this thread will last longer than YP.
I’ll be amazed if YP makes it through the weekend.
They'll stretch it out for years, arguing with each other about how to best express solidarity with the slipper makers of Venezuela, but after a couple of days of bickering, I doubt anyone will think of them as anything other than completely irrelevant.
They’ll also recreate the life of Brian though, so we’ll all be able to have a right old laugh at ‘The Left’ reinforcing every cliche in the book
This weekend summarised…
Obviously these SWP guys are just taking the piss like usual, but it does bring back the transitional awkwardness YP had: on one hand, saying that the founding conference will decide the policies of the Party, but on the other hand, Corbyn and Sultana being able to off the cuff decide that the party is anti-Zionist or that the Party won't allow membership of other parties.
Actually Zahra Sultana personally supports dual party membership, so it has nothing to do with her. On the other hand I think is unacceptable. Which other party allows dual membership ffs? Organisations affiliating is a different matter.
The SWP have as usual been a pain in the arse locally and one individual in particular has been highly disruptive. Thankfully IME most YP members fully reject the disruptive shenanigans of the SWP so I can't see how their exclusion will not have widespread support.
The SWP have their own party YP isn't being set up for them.
I’ll be amazed if YP makes it through the weekend.
Like your prediction that Reform UK will implode before the next general election? How's that going? I'll remind you that they have been leading every single opinion poll since mid-April, they don't appear to be disappearing.
He’s saying that they’re voting on the leadership model tomorrow and his preferred model would be shared leadership of an executive committee of 20.
It's my preferred model too. I find the idea of one person being "leader" of a political party, a democratic political party, grotesque. Although that is obviously the preferred model of the Tories, Labour, and Reform, none of which can claim to have democratic structures in a meaningful sense.
Collective leadership is easily a better choice imo although I can see the problem for you binners, you love claiming that the Left engage in personality cults, despite you being happy with being a member of the Labour Party, I guess that a personality cult without an actual "personality" is okay 🤣
I wish he would disappear down his allotment for a lot longer than 24 hours!
I think I must have entirely misunderstood your opinion of Corbyn. What was all that defense of him due to his polling popularity and when I accused him of being a pantomime clown about? I thought you genuinely admired the guy.
I don't do hero worshipping of politicians, some like Bob Crow, Mick McGahey, and Che Guevara (who Jean-Paul Sartre described as "the most complete human being of our age") I greatly admire. In the case of Jeremy Corbyn much of what he says is spot on imo, in fact most of what he says, although I don't go much on all his PC bollocks.
But he has a helluva lot of shortcomings IMO, including his ridiculous past commitment to the Labour Party, honestly he would still be a member of the Labour Party today is Keir Starmer had allowed him to be.
But whatever my personal political prejudices i try not to ignore the facts. Which include the fact that he is no more unpopular with voters than Keir Starmer is, and that Starmer has done far far more damage to the Labour Party than Corbyn is alleged to have done.
Just one example...... it was Starmer who caused binners to cancel his Labour Party membership after I don't know how many years, not Corbyn.
Like your prediction that Reform UK will implode before the next general election? How's that going
I’ll let you know in three and a half years. In political terms, in the present climate, that’s an eternity
Farage might have set up 2 new parties by then
Collective leadership is easily a better choice
In theory. In practice it’d be ‘design by committee’ which anyone who’s been subjected to knows will always deliver the worst of all worlds.
I’d rather live under a dictatorship than 20 mad lefties endlessly bickering over trivia and infighting while everything goes to shit
What they’re proposing sounds very ‘Soviet’ and that went well
Well Your Party will be renamed this weekend.
Well Your Party will be renamed this weekend.
Or maybe not, if the circle of "Corbyn-whisperers" interpreting his thoughts are correct and he gets his way:
By the end of the weekend, if things go to plan, Your Party will have a new, official name. Options floated behind the scenes have been the Left Party, the People’s Party or even sticking with Your Party (as one insider suggested to me, is Corbyn’s preference).
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk-politics/2025/11/your-partys-big-weekend
Options floated behind the scenes have been the Left Party, the People’s Party or even sticking with Your Party
I wish that were the case. The actual choice was really poor imo. "The Left Party" was Zahra Sultana's preferred choice and the "People's Party" was mine (although I preferred the People's Assembly) but neither were in the final short list, which was :
A) Your Party B) Our Party C) Popular Alliance D) For The Many
I voted C. I doubt that it will top the poll though.
People's Popular Front of Islington?
But perhaps it lacks the irony of Sir Keir Starmer leading a party called "Labour" ?
Maybe "Real Labour" as Starmer has taken the Labour name and completely ****ed it over.
Well Your Party will be renamed this weekend.
'Who's Party'?
The actual choice was really poor imo. "The Left Party" was Zahra Sultana's preferred choice and the "People's Party" was mine
It turns out the reason that the Left Party, and the People's Party - which I understand was the favourite when they initially asked for suggestions, were not available as they were already registered with the Electoral Commission.
'Who's Party'?
Don't you mean "Whose Party" ?
That would actually be a great new name for Sir Keir Starmer's party. Both to reflect the lack of clarity concerning whose interests it exists to serve, and also to reflect how Sir Keir appears to be reducing it to the role of a meaningless fringe party.
It turns out the reason that the Left Party, and the People's Party - which I understand was the favourite when they initially asked for suggestions, were not available as they were already registered with the Electoral Commission.
Meanwhile, while they try desperately to think of an original name from the combination of the same dozen words as always, and fend off various other 'socialist' fringe parties who are taking advantage of their total disarray even before the first conference, the greens and Polanski are hoovering up most of the hundreds of thousands of people actively looking for a realistic alternative who might have supported them.
Dead on arrival, this one. There is no alliance, just a brief intersection of political aims between the various groupings and independent MPs. It's possible, of course, that they can briefly stop tearing each other to pieces publicly and present something that actually appeals to the electorate, but the infighting is so much fun that I doubt they can resist.
Maybe, with the lack of availability of names, they need to think outside the box. Call the party ‘Colin’ and communicate their policies through the medium of interpretive dance
the greens and Polanski are hoovering up most of the hundreds of thousands of people actively looking for a realistic alternative who might have supported them.
I have always suggested that the creation of a new radical party on the left of UK politics had the potential to greatly help the Greens, I am glad that you appear to agree.
A new radical party of the left was always going to move the overton window and public discourse to the direction of the Green Party.
The more people suggesting there is an alternative to the "There Is No Alternative' mantra of the neoliberals the more it is likely to gain traction with voters. Which makes the Labour Party's abdication of that responsibility, under the watch of the centrists, a particularly galling betrayal.
I certainly very much welcome any increase in support for the Greens as should anyone on the left of UK politics. And I will not hesitate to vote for them in May's local elections.
Anyway enough of this serious stuff, let's get back to hilarious references of a 45 year old film transcript, it's so much easier! 💡
Is Party McPartyface taken already!?
I agree, support for the Greens has some basis in reality. Labour has given up that ground for whatever deluded reason, and Your/Party/Alliance/ are a distraction rather than in a genuine position to exploit it. I'd rather they gave up sooner so that the 50,000 or so who have paid for membership do not waste their votes in local elections.
The local Green Party members that I know are actually very supportive of the creation of YP, for the reasons I have stated above they see YP as allies in the same struggle rather than as rivals.
In Croydon at least YP can organise far bigger meetings than the Greens could ever dream of. And many YP members are former Labour Party members with a wealth of practical experience. Green Party members attend and speak at these meetings.
I suspect that situation is replicated to varying degrees across the country. There will be areas where YP are stronger than the Greens and vice versa. I guess much will depend on the local political history with regards to the Labour Party since so many YP are former Labour Party members.
It's possible, of course, that they can briefly stop tearing each other to pieces publicly and present something that actually appeals to the electorate,
To be fair, for all my sniping and snipping - this weekend could actually be a turning point if they come away with a name, a model for leadership, and a basic coherent set of fundamental agreed principles for what the party's platform is. If that happens, it really is possible that most of the birthing shambles could be shaken off.
Let's see...
it really is possible that most of the birthing shambles could be shaken off.
Like the historic birthing shambles of all the successful grassroots movements, from the French Revolution to the Labour Party to the ANC, and all the others in-between and since?
I would be extremely suspicious if tens of thousands of people who passionately believed in a cause, which they felt was of great importance, simply got together without any sort of conflicting opinions and internal disagreements.
In fact it would signal something deeply wrong with the movement and suggest it was being manipulated by vested interests.
Not only do I not consider internal strife within the process of setting up a grassroots movement not a serious problem but I positively welcome it. It suggests a very healthy environment and not a pointless echo chamber.
Starmer might try to maintain a stalinist iron grip over the so-called Labour Party by silencing dissent through suspensions and expulsions but it is certainly not what I expect or want from a left-wing democratic party.
Besides how is that strategy panning out for Starmer? Never has he been weaker as party leader and never has the Labour Party's electoral fortunes appeared more dire. If he had been more inclusive, more tolerant, more democratic, and more open to ideas, neither him nor his party might be in such a pickle.
Starmer might try to maintain a stalinist iron grip over the so-called Labour Party by silencing dissent through suspensions and expulsions but it is certainly not what I expect or want from a left-wing democratic party.
You’re aware Comrade Corbyn has already had his first purge already, right?
The airbrushers have already been busy disappearing members of the politburo
If that happens, it really is possible that most of the birthing shambles could be shaken off.
I think they are going to struggle since there doesnt seem to be a good uniting force.
Corbyn, at best, seems ambivalent. Think he would be happier going back to a constituency mp. If McSweeney wasnt so determined to wipe out the nasty lefties I think he would be sitting semi quitely on the backbenches aside from when Labour went to much austerity tory - okay maybe not quietly.
Sultana obviously has drive and ambition but is still building a base.
The other four (is it still four?) dont really overlap aside from they got elected because the constituencies werent fond of Starmers support of the hard right Israeli government. I think in many ways they overlap with reform better. Religious conservatives but just the wrong selection of religion.
You’re aware Comrade Corbyn has already had his first purge already, right?
Who said he would never learn anything from the "broad church" centrists?
I guess thats one way to appeal to the the starmerites by promising to purge those who arent ideologically pure enough.
Besides how is that strategy panning out for Starmer?
Starmer seemed quite at home in an infants class doing a "six seven dance". Maybe he could retrain as a teaching assistant?
this weekend could actually be a turning point
Well, call me the inverse Mystic Meg...
* Sultana allied herself with the SWP entryists and did not attend.
* Corbyn led a chant of "free, free Palestine" and encouraged attendees to "campaign forevermore for real socialism". Apparently the idea of winning power, entering government at any level, and making difficult choices as to effect change in the real world is less appealing than selling newspapers, going on marches and issuing strongly-worded resolutions about Palestine. Sounds about right from our nation's greatest argument-winner.
Corbyn confirmed to journalists on Saturday that he preferred a single leader and is likely to stand for the role
Well, who could possibly have seen that coming? 😂
You’re aware Comrade Corbyn has already had his first purge already, right?
No I am not aware, fill me in, or better still provide me with a link. Who has been "purged" from YP? I am all ears ! 👂
And please don't give the exclusion of SWP members as an example of a purge, no other political party allows members of the SWP to join them. Despite your earlier weird concern that SWP members are being denied the opportunity to join YP. Do you think that SWP membership should allow a person the right to join whatever party they fancy.?
Btw your apparent suggestion that Corbyn is keen to carry out purges is just bizarre. As leader of the Labour Party Corbyn was ridiculously tolerant of dissent to a point where it seriously undermined his position.
Not only did Corbyn, for example, reward Sir Keir Starmer after he helped to organise an attempted coup by giving him a shadow cabinet role, but when Margaret Hodge accused him of being a "a racist and anti-semite" Corbyn's response was "I am sorry you feel like that". FFS if hadn't been so spineless Corbyn would have suspended Hodge, as any other party leader would have done.
You need to live in a very different universe to believe that purges are Corbyn's modus operandi. Or politically clueless. Or incredibly disingenuous. Which one is it? I'm punting for the latter 💡
Corbyn confirmed to journalists on Saturday that he preferred a single leader and is likely to stand for the role
Well, who could possibly have seen that coming? 😂
Well considering that it is reasonably well-known that Corbyn never wanted to be leader of the Labour Party, never wanted to stop being a Labour backbench MP and would still be one if it hadn't been for Sir Keir Starmer, and had to be bounced into announcing the formation of the new party by Zahra Sultana, I am not in the least bit surprised that he has only confirmed that he is "likely to stand" for the role.
I would have been a tad surprised if he had unambiguously declared that he was definitely going to stand. For very obvious reasons everyone expects him to stand and yet typically Corbyn couldn't even give a firm commitment that he will be.
His preference for a single leader isn't exactly earth-shatteringly surprising considering that pretty much all political parties have just one leader. Although as I said earlier my personal preference would be a collective leadership. However if the central executive committee are to be given the powers being touted I guess that will amount to a collective leadership. I hope they are.
How would that work? Would they all take it in turns on a rotating weekly basis?
Or would they harness the legendary power of ‘The Left’ for coherence and unity to reach quick, definitive, collective decisions?
You couldnt make it up, birthing shambles, more like death throes.
How would that work?
Well there's nothing complicated about it. The CEC will have many of powers that the leaders of the Tory, Labour,. and Reform, parties currently have.
For example they will appoint national officers, they will be responsible for the day-to-day running of the party and managing its organising team, if a whip is deemed necessary it is the CEC who will be instructing elected representatives on how to vote on crucial issues in line with party policy, not the party leader who will be required to comply like everyone else, it will be tasked with ensuring the constitution is upheld, etc etc ....... and all the other stuff which you would associate with a democratic organisation.
The leader of the party will have relatively little power compared to the enormous power that the leaders of the Tory or Labour parties indisputably have. Sure it will undoubtedly trigger intense internal debates and arguments.....that is after all the whole point, having an executive committee which consists of political clones of the leader, which is typically the case in the Labour Party, is both utterly pointless and unhealthy, but decisions will be decided through a voting process and once it is completed the decision will be final and everyone will be expected to accept the outcome.
Democracy is not as complicated as some people would like to pretend it is.
Purity tests and victimhood...all the Far left bingo cards being filled this weekend.
You couldnt make it up, birthing shambles, more like death throes.
Well if you are looking for a political party in "death throws" I reckon that it is a tight competition between Labour and the Tories.
Despite both of them forming every government since beyond living memory neither have been leading the opinion polls since mid-April.
And both expect to be slaughtered in next May's local elections. Obviously neither will win the next general election.
Purity tests and victimhood...all the Far left bingo cards being filled this weekend.
Nah, you are getting confused with the centrists. They purged the Left out of the Labour Party and then blamed the Tories for mess they found themselves in when in government.
The leader of the party will have relatively little power compared to the enormous power that the leaders of the Tory or Labour parties indisputably have.
I suppose it's more honest at this point to acknowledge that there is no need to build towards a general election campaign behind a leader and potential prime minister.
So… let’s just call it “Corbyn’s Party” shall we? Whoever would have guessed…
Nah, you are getting confused with the centrists
Dont forget the right wingers absolutely love being "victims" although in fairness when looking at the "centrists" its quite hard to tell the difference from them and the right nowadays.
The problem is, like Trump, every accusation is an confession.
I am curious when we will start being lectured by the true believers than a vote for anything other than the glorious leader McSweeney is a vote for reform and we should wait till after the election for him to stop being a right wing ****.
So… let’s just call it “Corbyn’s Party” shall we? Whoever would have guessed…
He’s apparently already got all his backroom staff in place. The same ones who did such an exemplary job for him while he was Labour leader.
Did he not get the memo about the democratic utopia being created?
Dont forget the right wingers absolutely love being "victims"
Who are the right wingers in Your Party?
Seems to be a lot of deflection and whataboutery from certain people on here desperate to defend the terrible start YP has got off to.
That aside Labour are in government with a stonking majority and even the Tories still have over 100 MPs. YP have 2? and they are at each others throats.
Who are the right wingers in Your Party?
Not quite sure what you are trying to respond to here? Although since you mention it I would suggest the other four MPs would qualify aside from their inconvenient faith and being pro Palestinian.
As previously stated I dont see it going anywhere fast as a party since the current leaders aka MPs dont share a lot aside from being not overly fond of Israel's approach to Middle East peace.
Corbyn and Sultana have some overlap but plenty of differences. Maybe in 30 years whatever the Sultana party is currently named might start leading but thats a maybe.
As Paul Marshall and then McSweeney showed it is far better to be a parasite on an existing party. We have yet to see though whether McSweeney will cause the same damage to Labour as Marshall did to the LibDems. It isnt looking good though.
The leader of the party will have relatively little power compared to the enormous power that the leaders of the Tory or Labour parties indisputably have.
I suppose it's more honest at this point to acknowledge that there is no need to build towards a general election campaign behind a leader and potential prime minister.
I don't understand how some people appear to be unable to smell the coffee and apparently fondly believe that the same old certainties which they have always known still apply 😮
UK politics has been utterly turned upside down, it has completely changed. The party which has been leading every single opinion poll for the last six months is neither the Tory nor the Labour Party, nothing remotely like that has ever happened before.
Neither the Tories nor Labour will win the next general election and all the indications are that the days of majority governments in UK politics are now over.
Never has there been a better time for a party to influence government policy without having anything vaguely close to a majority.
YP's mission is not to form a majority government and hold the office of Prime Minister, even the Tory and Labour parties won't be able to achieve that. It is to influence both the narrative and therefore government policy. It is to offer a non-Reform alternative to voters who are now clearly rejecting all three of the established major parties.
Whether YP succeeds remains to be seen but there is no point giving them ridiculous goals which no one, including YP themselves, expects to achieve.
The party which has been leading every single opinion poll for the last six months is neither the Tory nor the Labour Party, nothing remotely like that has ever happened before.
Apart from when the Liberal- SDP Alliance led the polls for 8 months, reaching 50% support at the peak.
even the Tories still have over 100 MPs. YP have 2? and they are at each others throats.
If Sultana doesn't show up for Day 2 in Liverpool either, then she's basically flounced and quit the party, right?
The party which has been leading every single opinion poll for the last six months is neither the Tory nor the Labour Party, nothing remotely like that has ever happened before.
Apart from when the Liberal- SDP Alliance....
Hardly comparable though, are you not aware that the Liberal Party and the Social Democratic Party were two separate parties? Besides if you want to go down that road if a general election was held right now in all likelihood Reform and the Tories would form a coalition government, the very latest opinion poll gives their combined vote as 48%, so I guess on that basis you could say that the Tories are still leading in the polls, with a great deal of stretching.
And more importantly the Tories easily won the 1983 general election proving that there had not been any major upset in UK politics and the old certainties were still there, which was further reinforced when Labour eventually came to power.
The Liberal and SDP never won a general election and nor have they ever as the LibDems. Nothing fundamentally changed in UK politics as the consequence of the Liberal SDP Alliance and if you genuinely believe that the situation then was the same as it is now then I guess that's up you.
There appears to be quite a lot of people who believe that nothing has fundamentally changed in UK politics in the last couple of years, or at least they are behaving as if nothing has.
Read your claim again, then read what I wrote. Or do you automatically have to argue with every post anyone else writes?
I read what you wrote, you gave an example of a alliance of two separate parties which I don't think is comparable to the point which I was making. One single party, not in alliance with any other party, has been leading every single opinion poll for the last six months, I believe that is unprecedented. You obviously disagree. Fairy nuff, up to you.
And btw there have been far far more opinions polls in the last six months than ever occurred in any six month period in the 1980s, easily ten times more if not 20 times more, so just on the sheer quantity of opinion polls it is unprecedented for a non-Tory/Labour party to lead in so many polls. If you think that doesn't signify anything in particular again, fairy nuff
That aside Labour are in government with a stonking majority and even the Tories still have over 100 MPs. YP have 2? and they are at each others throatsm
Ladies and gentlemen… ‘The Left’
The party which has been leading every single opinion poll for the last six months is neither the Tory nor the Labour Party, nothing remotely like that has ever happened before.
Well… it has. Repeatedly. Opinion poles at this stage, threeand a half years out from an election, are utterly meaningless.
It’s like asking everyone what’s their favourite biscuit.
threeand a half years out from an election, are utterly meaningless.
Someone needs to tell Starmer and McSweeney !
The state of panic that Reform has instilled in them is almost palpable!
Btw despite my earlier and long time criticism of Corbyn, and my generous praising of Sultana, this evening I have flipped sides.
Nothing will guarantee more the failure of YP than allowing the SWP to run a mock. YP cannot be a serious credible political party if it involves the SWP.
Allowing the SWP dual membership is simply absurd and on this Corbyn is 100% correct imo. Unfortunately I get the feeling that Sultana might win on this one. The young and very politically naive punters on my local YP WhatsApp group appear to be totally oblivious to the dangers posed by the SWP, as indeed Sultana herself appears to be.
It is tragic really and despite his many failings Corbyn yet again proves to be right, politically at least, when so many don't seem to get it.
Nothing will guarantee more the failure of YP than allowing the SWP to run a mock. YP cannot be a serious credible political party if it involves the SWP
Take a step back comrade.
If anyone is paying any attention to this, which they’re not, they’re just thinking ‘look at all those mental ‘loony’ lefties having fights with each other, yet again.
It is tragic really and despite his many failings Corbyn yet again proves to be right politically at least when so many don't seem to get it.
Well we all know how good he is at winning arguments. And look where it’s hit him. And look where it’s got us.
Has there ever been a bigger waste of time than Magic Grandads ‘leadership’ of the Labour Party?
Well we all know how good he is at winning arguments. And look where it’s hit him
I wasn't talking about Corbyn being good at winning arguments. I was talking about him being right, yet again.
Corbyn despite his obvious failings has been, and is, consistently right. From when he was one of the first prominent politician to say that there could be no military solution to the Troubles N.I. only a political solution, to the dangers posed by Putin and his oligarchs, to destroying the myth that "austerity" was necessary.
Corbyn has very often been right politically although he never seems to get much credit for it. People often come to the same conclusion as Corbyn but generally much later than him so it never appears that he has won the argument.
It must be lovely living in the same fantasy world he inhabits.
The man never effected anything worthwhile in his entire pointless political ‘career, such as it is.
His legacy - such as it is - is his support for and facilitation of Brexit at every turn. The greatest act of self harm any country has ever committed on itself.
But then you were a supporter of the lunacy of Lexit too. the most inexplicable political philosophy ever. The left wing supporting and enabling the ultimate right wing project.
That and being the greatest ever gift to the Tories, enabling them to operate with no effective opposition for years
And here he still is. Wallowing in his own bloated ego, indulging in his need to be hero-worshipped by idiots.
It staggers me the free pass that this man is given, when you look at the damage he’s done
It’s like asking everyone what’s their favourite biscuit.
Surely the only acceptable response for a true Leftist is the Garibaldi biscuit?
Peak Freans Trotsky assortment, shurely?
It staggers me the free pass that this man is given, when you look at the damage he’s done
And yet all the indications are that Sir Keir Starmer has done far far more damage to the Labour Party than Jeremy Corbyn might have ever done.
All that vitriol directed at Corbyn and yet none whatsoever directed at Starmer. Still I guess it serves its purpose, as long as you maintain your hyperbolic rants against the Left I am sure you feel it takes away any criticism of the Centrists.
That and being the greatest ever gift to the Tories, enabling them to operate with no effective opposition for years
Apart from denying the Tories a parliamentary majority for a couple of years, something which even Ed Miliband couldn't manage to do. And forcing them to announce, officially at least, that austerity was no longer a stated policy, again something which even Ed Miliband couldn't manage to do.
Keir Starmer was elected leader of the Labour Party on a platform of Corbynism without Corbyn,. that is precisely what every single one of his ten pledges promised, Starmer was very obviously convinced that Labour Party members didn't agree with your critique of Corbyn! 😂
And whilst we are on the subject of "greatest ever gifts" Sir Keir Starmer must surely be Labour's greatest ever gift to Nigel Farage!
Never in his wildest dreams could Nigel Farage have imagined that a Labour Party leader with a 172 seat majority could screw up so spectacularly. By both trying to act like a poundland Nigel Farage and pissing off Labour voters Sir Keir Starmer has all but handed the keys to Number 10 to Nigel Farage.
But let's just talk about how terrible Jeremy Corbyn was ! 🤣