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Heh - as predicted, in some quarters a whole lotta discussion of Starmer tonight, and remarkable quietness about the thread topic - Your Party.
Fire away.
What are the legal proceedings they’re threatening each other with about then?
Do you think they’re fighting for the rights to continue to use the name, like the former members of Bucks Fizz?
it's about who controls the membership
Does Sultana's claim that YourParty is a sexist boys' club seem plausible? 4 of the other 5 MPs in the Independent Alliance (whose logo contains the colours and design elements of the Palestinian National flag) have made a point of promoting their religous credentials...but they don't seem to have a strong presence in the Your Party factional war. It seems to be very much Corbynites vs Sultanaites, and Corbyn - for his many faults - doesn't have a reputation as a male chauvinist pig, does he?
Does Sultana's claim that YourParty is a sexist boys' club seem plausible?
yes. the left ime are very good at talking equality but rubbish at doing it
it's because he is taking the greens farfrom their core mission
They can't win. They get told they're a single issue party so they respond by talking about other stuff. Then they get told they're abandoning their core purpose.
I'm a bit of a green fundamentalist. The green movement is split between light and dark green. Light green think you can mitigate the coming environmental collapse without lifestyle change. Dark green understand this is impossible
it's about who controls the membership
Wont that be whoever is head of 6th form?
It has got bugger-all to do with egos but you push that line to maintain your constant attack on the Left.
if it wasn't about her ego she would be working within one of the other parties of the left rather than creating another splinter group
It's not about attacking the idea of the left. it's about understanding the numpties that are in this grouping
I've been a part of the labour movement via trade unions and anti fascist activism for almost 50 years.
I'm a bit of a green fundamentalist. The green movement is split between light and dark green. Light green think you can mitigate the coming environmental collapse without lifestyle change. Dark green understand this is impossible
Polanski is trying to appeal to the sort of people whose carbon emissions are already low, and he understands that the fundamental changes needed have to be driven by governments, not individuals. We'll see what happens but it's a promising start.
As predicted they’ve gone full People’s Front of Judea. I despair at the left in the UK. Get your shit together or we’re ****ed. Don’t make me vote for the Luddites in the Green Party.
Polanski is trying to appeal to the sort of people whose carbon emissions are already low,
I think the opposite way round. He certainly has little appeal to me.
Has the committee of two managed to deliberate a party name yet?
May I suggest 'fruit and nut'?
Splitters?
yes. the left ime are very good at talking equality but rubbish at doing it
Even days after the launch, beardy old men around Corbyn were describing Sultana as "Ambitious" which is code for 'pushy young woman, who insists on interrupting when the men are talking' She's on her way out, I wonder if she's realised yet?
I'm a bit of a green fundamentalist. The green movement is split between light and dark green. Light green think you can mitigate the coming environmental collapse without lifestyle change. Dark green understand this is impossible
I'd agree with that. However, where we perhaps disagree is that Polanski is dark green whereas the previous leadership were light Green.
The first step to cutting consumption is making sure everyone is taken care of. imo the only way to do that is to put your left credentials front and centre. It could be there is no Part 2 to Polanski's plan but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Much of the complaints about Polanski seem to be that he isn't focusing on offering bungs to middle class people to make it cheaper to ease their consciouses' over their over-consumption. I believe this was the main focus of the previous Green leadership. You can keep consuming but we're going to make sure you get 'incentives' to over-consume in a 'Green' way.
Has the committee of two managed to deliberate a party name yet?
It is more than two, everyone who signed up could suggest a name. I am all for democracy but sometimes things can be over democratic and just require a leader to do stuff. That is clearly where Corbyn fails as I agree with his principles but he is no leader in any way whatsoever. He doesn't lead and is slow to respond to everything which presumably is why Sultana got frustrated, I would too as I just want to get on with things.
I was hoping something would come of it but not very likely now is it. I can remain with Green Party and I think Polanski is great for the job - listens well, puts his opinion well, deal with questions well etc,.
If it ends up being Party McPartyface I'm definitely voting for them.
It seems to be very much Corbynites vs Sultanaites, and Corbyn - for his many faults - doesn't have a reputation as a male chauvinist pig, does he?
That’s a joke, right? Of course he does. He’s belittling towards female politicians, including those he likes/supports. In addition female Labour MPs complained about his “door being shut” to them but not their male colleagues when he was leader. But they can be dismissed as “right wingers” and ignored. And I’m not sure if you think womanising is a chauvinist trait, or if you think that’s old fashioned, but his past reputation “with the women” must make some people feel a bit awkward.
Turning them into a lefties talking shop
As opposed to a being a bunch of middle class eco-hippies who are obsessed with stuff that 90% of the population don't give a shit about. Environmental issues are currently so far down the list of most voters priorities the green party will never succeed unless they address economic and social justice issues. Polanski is doing exactly that and it looks like people are actually listening to him.
I'm a bit of a green fundamentalist.
No shit. Good luck with your hair shirt approach to elections though. It barely needs to be said but people are never going to vote for a lower quality of life. And they're definitely not going to vote for a bunch of middle class virtue signallers who lecture everyone else about their poor life choices.
but his past reputation “with the women” must make some people feel a bit awkward.
Rayner was a renowned shagger but it didn't seem to do her any harm. Did she make people feel awkward too?
No shit. Good luck with your hair shirt approach to elections though. It barely needs to be said but people are never going to vote for a lower quality of life. And they're definitely not going to vote for a bunch of middle class virtue signallers who lecture everyone else about their poor life choices.
Once again you show your ignorance and disdain for the poor.
True green policy improves the lives of the poorest.
Enlighten us ignorant ones then, what are those true green policies that improve the lives of the poorest.
Does Sultana's claim that YourParty is a sexist boys' club seem plausible? 4 of the other 5 MPs in the Independent Alliance (whose logo contains the colours and design elements of the Palestinian National flag) have made a point of promoting their religous credentials...but they don't seem to have a strong presence in the Your Party factional war. It seems to be very much Corbynites vs Sultanaites, and Corbyn - for his many faults - doesn't have a reputation as a male chauvinist pig, does he?
Islamic fundamentalists don't believe women should have equal voting rights? Im shocked!
Islamic fundamentalists
LOL! The Independent Alliance MPs currently sitting in the House of Commons are "Islamic fundamentalists" ! 😂
Edit : I suspect that Donald Trump would agree with that analysis, after all he seems to think that the London Mayor is some sort of islamic fundamentalist and that the UK's capital is practically under Sharia law.
but his past reputation “with the women” must make some people feel a bit awkward.
Rayner was a renowned shagger but it didn't seem to do her any harm. Did she make people feel awkward too?
Are you the guy that was trying to get the "Starmer's Ukrainian rent boys" rumour going a few days ago? And that believes Starmer is a (literal) football hooligan? Or is that the other guy?
LOL! The Independent Alliance MPs currently sitting in the House of Commons are "Islamic fundamentalists" !
Centrists have very happily accepted the hierarchy of racism policy of SKS & McSweeney to attack the left.
I’m now just really disturbed at the thought that Magic Grandad used to be a prolific shagger
I think the opposite way round. He certainly has little appeal to me.
I was thinking of the people who can't afford long haul flights.
I was thinking of the people who can't afford long haul flights
That thought did cross my mind too.
I did the numbers a bit ago, and it turns out that no amount of living in a small house and recycling and eschewing cars will cancel out a long haul flight. Which was annoying (as someone who almost never drives and recycles and lives in a small house)
How about a few shorter flights to Magaluf?
I was thinking of the people who can't afford long haul flights
That thought did cross my mind too.
I did the numbers a bit ago, and it turns out that no amount of living in a small house and recycling and eschewing cars will cancel out a long haul flight. Which was annoying (as someone who almost never drives and recycles and lives in a small house)
Iirc my flights to the antipodes are worth 2 to 4 years worth of average car useage in terms of co2 emissions.
we all have a carbon footprint . mine is not as low as it was bit still lower than the majority by a long way. No car. No children. No pets. Very few new consumer goods
You do keep having those bonfires with old car tyres though
Enlighten us ignorant ones then, what are those true green policies that improve the lives of the poorest.
Transport as an example. The poorest have least access to cars but are more effected you car pollution. A green transport and planning policy will disproportionately benefit them. You comfy middle class folk will bemoan your increased driving costs. The poorest get the benefit of more accessible services and easier and cheaper local travel
True green policy improves the lives of the poorest.
Do share what these are? EVs they can’t afford. Solar panels that benefit the landlord if they are going to fit them? What are the benefits for the poorest
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electric private cars are not green. buses and trains are. the poorest have no access to ice cats even
Transport as an example. The poorest have least access to cars but are more effected you car pollution. A green transport and planning policy will disproportionately benefit them.
How will a green transport policy help compared to a non green transport policy. I suspect the poorest are more interested in paying the bills
I suspect poor peopke would rather be able to afford a car than use public transport. Green policies make cars more expensive.