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So… is this party all about Corbyn* extending his time in politics, or not?
[ *I appreciate his is not the only ego involved ]
I don't think he is selfishly just in it for the salary/continued money
I have never understood the hatred towards him.
Corbyn is not in it for the money or the ego. Anyone suggesting that is nuts. Corbyn could have easily made a hundred choices that would have brought him 100 times more money or Galloway-style adulation over 40 years in politics.
He's an intellectually lazy, dishonest binary thinker whose blind spots lead him to support the ideas of awful people. But he's not in it for the money.
But he's not in it for the money.
Agree with that (and only that) 100% percent. He's never needed it.
This is quite an impressive figure, in fact I am quite gobsmacked by it :
An alliance between the two parties would be a potent force, with 31% of all Britons saying they would consider voting for a united ticket.
Even if only half that figure actually went on to vote for a red-green alliance it would represent more than the level of support that the LibDems are currently enjoying.
UK politics is changing and the old certainties no longer exist.
He's an intellectually lazy, dishonest binary thinker whose blind spots lead him to support the ideas of awful people
Seriously, that sounds like a description of Starmer.
In fact, that's Centrism in a nutshell. Flip-flopping with shockingly poor ideas and policies on taxation, migration, energy and following people like Farage into ridiculous narratives. Looking like a dummy to Trump. Picking a side depending on the noise of right-wingers.
Astonishing, that you came up with that for Corbyn.
In terms of wanting to actually improve the country Starmer is not fit to tie the show laces of Corbyn. And of course we have all the evidence we need in front of us now the turd is in government.
I see that Corbyn is simultaneously useless, and the reason Labour will lose the next GE. Schrodinger's politician...
I see that Corbyn is simultaneously useless, and the reason Labour will lose the next GE. Schrodinger's politician...
There's some really heavy buyer's remorse manifesting in Starmer and ending up in Corbyn.
Clearly if Starmer had got the big wins Corbyn wouldn't be mentioned in the same breath.
He's an intellectually lazy, dishonest binary thinker whose blind spots lead him to support the ideas of awful people
Seriously, that sounds like a description of Starmer.
I suggest that you don't vote for him then. Odd that the only defence of Corbyn on a thread about Your Party is an attack on Starmer.
Odd that the only defence of Corbyn on a thread about Your Party is an attack on Starmer.
We have an early runner for the hypocrite of the year award.
I say **** it! I like a bit of chaos, make Corbyn PM and see how it goes. Success and failure are a spectrum asn were arguing about gradations.
Only one way to truly have our bias confirmed. 🤣
It would be great to have Corbyn as PM... but have you met the UK voters?
It would be great to have Corbyn as PM... but have you met the UK voters?
Effing Eck, I just checked the current predictions for 5 previous addresses I have since 2000.
3 out of 4 in England are predicted to go to Reform, my previous and current Scottish addresses are both seeing Reform roughly triple their vote share but not enough to win those seats, they're predicting 3rd for both.
For my current address, it's mostly Labour losing votes, and Reform gaining, and a smaller drop to the conservatives.
Effing Eck, I just checked the current predictions for 5 previous addresses I have since 2000.
3 out of 4 in England are predicted to go to Reform, my previous and current Scottish addresses are both seeing Reform roughly triple their vote share but not enough to win those seats, they're predicting 3rd for both.
Have you considered how this reflects on your choice of places to live? 😂
Have you considered how this reflects on your choice of places to live? 😂
Your patch is predicted to see reform go from 7.5% to 19.9% so I wouldn't start throwing too many stones about... 🙃
Odd that the only defence of Corbyn on a thread about Your Party is an attack on Starmer.
We have an early runner for the hypocrite of the year award.
I think you're confusing me with someone else. Starmer has to live or die politically on his own record. It's irrelevant how good or bad Corbyn was to that. Starmer is today's leader - the Labour Party has had lots of them, and it's never been a party build around an individual. He'll be gone at some point. Earlier, later, who knows?
YourParty is built around Corbyn and Sultana, and if you looked at the Corbynite comments on here, burning anti-Starmerism. 2 of out 3 of those things have a limited shelf life. And to be fair to Corbyn, he seems to have a vision that it should be much more than that. The question is whether Corbynites can get past relitigating how he was done wrong (again, something that Corbyn himself doesn't seem overly interested in) when he was in the Labour Party and how he's not an anti-Semite.
Corbyn seems pretty unimpressed by Sultana raking over those old coals...and she's not a Corbynite...so what is she about?
("Chaos" is silly exaggeration).
Well there is that for the right-wing press and commentators but there is also the strong likelihood that it will cause the Labour Party to start shifting away from its current hard-right position.
The Labour Party are not hard right. Get real. They may not be as left wing as they were or as you want them to be to call them hard right is nonsense. Reform are hard right. Who knows what the tories are at the moment. Trump is hard right. There is a gulf between labour and trump/farage
Ive beaten binners to posting his monty python gif !
as predicted. it's all about egos not actually achieving anything.
The Labour Party are not hard right. Get real.
Go on then, tell me the significant and fundamental differences between Starmer's Labour Party and Reform UK.
Or would you not classify Reform UK as hard right?
Have you also counted how many chickens he's got based on the number of eggs at his allotment?
Have you even counted how many straws you are desperately clinging to?
Your claim that YourParty is going to get as many votes as Labour at the next General Election is just as far-fetched as TJ's suggestion that they'll be totally irrelevant.
I might end up owing @tjagain an apology at this rate. Sultana seems to be doing everything possible to drive Your Party into a crater of infighting. At this rate, the party might never exist and the whole project could end up being entirely irrelevant by the next General Election. Stunning.
Anyway, looking forward to a sudden uptick in discussion of Starmer's Zionism on this thread about Your Party...
ernies back!
Ive beaten binners to posting his monty python gif !
I think we can all take it as implied 🙂
and the whole project could end up being entirely irrelevant by the next General Election.
Could? 🤣
Hmm… female MP involved in new party sounds exactly like some female MPs when Corbyn become leader of his previous party as regards his entourage being sexist dinosaurs and shutting them out. What’s the common factor…?
our ernie has a unique overton window
Well help me move my overton window by pointing out the obvious and huge irreconcilable political differences between Sir Keir Starmer and Nigel Farage.
What have you got..... ranting about small boats, slashing foreign aid, denying British citizenship to asylum seekers, claiming that immigrants have done "incalculable damage" to the UK, flag-shagging, sycophantic attitude to Donald Trump, law and order/freedom of speech, attacks on welfare provisions, increase in defence spending, ripping up rules to protect the environment and conservation, support for the far-right genocidal Israeli regime???
Nah, there doesn't seem to be a huge political gulf between Sir Keir Starmer and Nigel Farage, in fact Starmer seems to be doing his best to sound more and more like Farage.
But then again as I suggested earlier perhaps not everyone considers Nigel Farage to be "hard-right"?
And to be fair on some issues such as nationalisation of the utilities it might be plausible to say to say that Nigel Farage is slightly to the left of Sir Keir Starmer.
Starmer's Labour Party is a nasty right-wing party with racist undertones....... very much like Reform UK is.
it's all about egos not actually achieving anything.
It has got bugger-all to do with egos but you push that line to maintain your constant attack on the Left.
What it is really about is two very different people with two very different sense of urgency. Corbyn is the procrastinating old man who doesn't like doing things differently to how he has always done them and who doesn't really like confrontations.
Corbyn is the man who when one of his MPs, Margaret Hodge, called him a "****ing racist and anti-Semite" to his face in front of a camera he responded by saying, "I'm sorry you feel like that".
In contrast Zarah Sultana is young, angry, and impatient.
This is Zarah Sultana
https://www.tiktok.com/@zarahsultanamp/video/7548494502747507991
Corbyn needs to spend more time on his allotment
there doesn't seem to be a huge political gulf between Sir Keir Starmer and Nigel Farage
Ahh… back to “they’re all the same”. Well, when Farage has removed workers rights, refocused us back towards fossil fuels, removed access to medical care, rolled over for Putin, and done a runner to the USA with all the money he’s made out of being PM, then the differences will be clearer for you.
In contrast Zarah Sultana is young, angry, and impatient.
And female.
Almost the definition of being able to start an argument in an empty room. If they are threatening each other with the lawyers at this stage, I think we are on the brink of new party mitosis already. At this rate of reproduction, we could have several thousand separate versions by the end of the year.
Almost the definition of being able to start an argument in an empty room.
I think the Oxford English Dictionary has that as the definition of UK left wing politics
Ahh… back to “they’re all the same”.
I don't think Reform are the same but I would say people would be hard pushed to spot the difference between Conservatives and Labour these days so as much as the two old main parties, yes they are very much the same.
I did say at the beginning of this thread that Sultana and Corbyn would never get on. I’d be annoyed about being proven right if it wasn’t for Polanski. Forget this lot.
they are very much the same
Well, perhaps the Tories are just pretending when they argue against workers rights and green initiatives in parliament.
Forget this lot.
This could be good news for The Green Party, having a rival party diminished so soon. But there is the risk that the rise and premature fall of YourParty and its large blip in polling among voters will make non-political people more cynical about the Greens as well though. I hope not. They’ll need to work hard (which Polanski is so far IMHO) to present an alternative policy platform and approach (without looking like another left wing talking shop).
people would be hard pushed to spot the difference between Conservatives and Labour these days
Agreed. But is Reform UK really more right-wing than the Tories? And if so in what way?
Personally I am struggling to see Kemi Badenoch as being any more left-wing than Nigel Farage. In fact I feel that it is fair to say that Badenoch is probably a tad to the right of Farage.
Although obviously not by instinct, Farage is just shrewd enough to understand the appeal of talking about nationalising the utilities among his support base, I can't see Badenoch ever being that pragmatic.
Obviously not all politicians are the same but politically there isn't a huge gulf between Labour, the Tories, and Reform.
Which still leaves plenty of other parties to choose from.
At this rate of reproduction, we could have several thousand separate versions by the end of the year.
Let one hundred flowers bloom.
Polanski is so far IMHO) to present an alternative policy platform and approach (without looking like another left wing talking shop).
He looks like that is exactly what he is doing. Turning them into a lefties talking shop
There is that risk. Especially after this YourParty nonsense. I’m not as dismissive as you about his efforts and approach so far though, I’ve been pleasantly surprised by his actual media performances since becoming leader, against what were low expectations based on his history. Give him a chance.
Let's face it, the only reason anyone is giving this lot a second thought is because of Labour's dismal performance.
I’m not as dismissive as you about his efforts and approach so far though, I’ve been pleasantly surprised by his actual media performances since becoming leader,
it's because he is taking the greens farfrom their core mission
Media work has been good but all lefty talking points not green from what I have seen
it's because he is taking the greens farfrom their core mission
They can't win. They get told they're a single issue party so they respond by talking about other stuff. Then they get told they're abandoning their core purpose.
Go on then, tell me the significant and fundamental differences between Starmer's Labour Party and Reform UK.
Or would you not classify Reform UK as hard right?
Are you insane?
Starmer does not want to:
Sell off the NHS to private health care
Abandon net zero and all green policies.
Ban DEI practices.
Stop the BBC licence fee and sell it off to private media.
Leave the ECHR
Obliterate trans rights
Prohibit schools from any inclusivity teaching.
Force sick and disabled people into work they can't do.
Make all schools have a Union flag in every classroom and make the kids sing the national anthem each morning.
Etc
I'm really disappointed in the current government, but to say there is no difference between Labour and Reform is utterly ridiculous.
Starmer does not want to:
Sell off the NHS to private health care
Abandon net zero and all green policies.
Ban DEI practices.
Stop the BBC licence fee and sell it off to private media.
Leave the ECHR
Obliterate trans rights
Prohibit schools from any inclusivity teaching.
Force sick and disabled people into work they can't do.
Make all schools have a Union flag in every classroom and make the kids sing the national anthem each morning.
have you actually watched or read any news in the last 12 months?
I’d say with the exception of the ECHR and union flag/ national anthem thing the rest of those points are well in hand. And to think I actually voted for him. Makes me sick quite frankly.
Are you insane?
I'm sorry but you might have misread what I wrote. I didn't suggest that there were no differences between Starmer's Labour and Reform UK, there clearly is, of course there is, they are two different political parties. I suggested that there is not a huge and fundamental ideological gap between them.
IMO there is more of a difference between Labour and the SNP, Plaid Cymru, the Greens, (and possibly even the LibDems) all of which are fundamentally social democratic parties, than there is between Starmer's Labour and Reform.
Labour under Starmer is not a social democratic party it is a neoliberal thatcherite party.
Sir Keir Starmer is very clearly doing his very best to try and minimise the differences between Labour and Reform, he obviously believes that is the way to win votes, or at least Morgan McSweeney does.
Are you going to suggest that there is also a huge fundamental ideological gap between Labour and the Tories as well? I see little difference between the Tories and Reform.
Having said all that I will give you Net Zero, that does indeed represent a huge and fundamental difference between Labour and Reform. It will be interesting, if somewhat depressing, to see what a Nigel Farage government attempts to do in 4 years time. Once the election is over and the rhetoric dies down.
Btw despite accepting the Net Zero point let's not forget this