[Closed] Would you date a call girl?

To answer the OP no. However as most stw'ers are socially awkward I can see why he'd have to.

Also, think of all that undeclared Income ?

Wot?

No one else mention it 😆

most stw'ers are socially awkward

Really? Bit of a sweeping statement. I've met a fair few from here and all were fine and not socially awkward at all.

...and I've even met Fred!

Yeah, how many of you lot would bonk rich potentially reasonably attractive women for 1K an hour.

It wouldn't take that long, does she do a pro rata rate? 😀

It wouldn't take that long, does she do a pro rata rate?

would still be £50 well spent.

Side note / interest. If you booked company for an hour, do you get an hour? Or is it - you know - well you've had your chips, that's that. Because I think I can speak for many here, the prospect of that length of time with a stunningly attractive young courtesan in exotic underwear, with an above average skillset - I'm not sure even listing Susan Boyle's back catalogue in reverse order would see the full hour being used up.

most stw'ers are socially awkward I can see why he'd have to

Just another quick 'sorry' to Junkyard, never meant to set you up for the pitchforks, I just misread your comment and took it out of context (I'd like to think you can see where I was coming from even if that was never your intent).

Interesting debate, I'm genuinely curious as to which component you (general people) find morally repugnant about prostitution on a consensual basis that you find okay about the sexual habits of anyone else? I'm at a genuine loss as to why some people feel they have a right of sovreignty over anothers body in that they feel they can dictate what is and isn't acceptable behaviour between two consenting adults.

FWIW I wouldn't be cool with dating an active escort, even if she can pick and choose clients and has no emotional involvement it doesn't sit well with me. Ironically I'm fine with polygamy, there's just some component of this situation that seems wrong. If she had given it up then why not? As said, STD's can be picked up from anyone and if we broke up and she went back to it then if that's entirely HER choice then I could live with that.

As for undeclared incomes and such, maybe of there was some sort of legal mechanism for declaring those incomes they wouldn't go undeclared hmm?

Finally, wrecker, this has EVERYTHING to do with me. As a father and feminist I want to do the best for women* to be treated as equals and to live in world where misogynistic* abuse from people like yourself is treated with the contempt from society it deserves. I wouldn't choose for my daughter to go into such a career, indeed I have NO choice in what she does - that's for her and her alone to decide, however if she did then I would want the industry to be protected and regulated by law. The sooner industries like this are decriminalised and regulated the sooner wider society stops having to pay the price of an industry (often) run by criminals.

Your language IS sexist, you persecute women for their life choices by labelling them sluts and suchlike. To put it into perspective, promiscuous men are often given labels such as stud, cassanova and, at worst, womaniser. Women, conversely, are labelled slut, skank, slapper, ho, tart etc. etc. Plus they get the amusing "sausage down the alley jokes (but hey, a woman with 150 partners must be like the Channel Tunnel but woe betide the man who insults the womanhood of my wife who I've had every night for the last decade) which is based on nothing but prejudice, ever heard the one about the guy who shagged so much his dick wore down to a pencil width? Thought not. There is something very wrong with this that needs to be addressed by society as a whole and the sooner more men stand against their peers who perpetuate misogyny the closer we get to a fairier and more equal society.

*in this context, replace with whatever you feel appropriate.

Interesting debate, I'm genuinely curious as to which component you (general people) find morally repugnant about prostitution

I dont, they are free to do as they wish.

I'm at a genuine loss as to why some people feel they have a right of sovreignty over anothers body

I dont have sovereignty over anything of the sort. What 'we' have is to adults that have consented willingly to a relationship involving no others and are quite happy about it.

Cant speak for anyone else, but i doubt such a position is particularly unusual.

Umm, I don't think you were the 'people' I was addressing, should have seemed quite obvious, no?

I'll never forget one early turn opening the station door to a distressed woman who had been raped. She worked at a pole dancing place, only been there for a few weeks when a guy got chatting to her. She seemed like a really nice girl, she liked the guy and agreed to meet him after work at 3 am. He raped her several times in his flat while she wore a balaclava back to front. In the morning he went out and she fled to the station. She wasn't a prostitute. When I read these threads it makes me wonder if the opinions on women who work these kind of jobs contributed to this act and no doubt others like it. Hate is easy. Understanding is hard.

Umm, I don't think you were the 'people' I was addressing, should have seemed quite obvious, no?

Absolutely. But let's just say I'd rather be distanced from at least one of those contributors.

It's an interesting subject matter tbh. Curious to see a range of views

@ squirrelking and soulwood

Well said guys.

When I read these threads it makes me wonder if the opinions on women who work these kind of jobs contributed to this act and no doubt others like it. Hate is easy. Understanding is hard.

Why? I can't think of any woman that I know who would consider working in a lapdancing bar as a good, solid or particularly safe career choice. She didn't ask to be raped. Everyone has the choice to say yes or no. Even if the person happens to be a working girl she is not property she can say stop and expect someone to stop. No one is owned by anyone, you are purchasing a service not ownership.

The issue is working in such places leaves you open to a degree to absolutely every man or woman to come in. No checks on criminal background and due to the nature, there will be arousal in those paying/watching.

Now to get back to the line I quoted- are you saying one is wrong for disagreeing with prostitution or lapdancing. That one is somewhat backward if they don't say 'go girl/I can't judge you/I personally don't like it'?

I think Prostitution or lapdancing establishments should be tolerated even if personally I do not agree with either.

As for undeclared incomes and such, maybe of there was some sort of legal mechanism for declaring those incomes they wouldn't go undeclared hmm?

It's called a tax return and prostitutes are supposed to pay taxes. Search for HMRC vs Donna Asutaits.

To answer the OP no. However as most stw'ers are socially awkward I can see why he'd have to.

Eh? Have you understood the thread at all Hora? A stunning girl, whos great fun and who is 15 years my junior wants to date me, I don't have to pay for it. I fail to see how that make someone socially awkward.

Given the nonsense you usually write on here however, I can see why you may mistakenly think the rest of the forum is cast in your own image..

tpbiker you ask a question on a public forum 'should I date a prostitute'?

and your saying I post nonsense? **** me there are some right sorts on the internet.

The fact that you thought about it then posted that on a public forum shows me your socially awkward.

Finally, wrecker, this has EVERYTHING to do with me. As a father and feminist I want to do the best for women* to be treated as equals and to live in world where misogynistic* abuse from people like yourself is treated with the contempt from society it deserves.

Your language IS sexist, you persecute women for their life choices by labelling them sluts and suchlike.

I'm genuinely curious as to which component you (general people) find morally repugnant about prostitution

I'm at a genuine loss as to why some people feel they have a right of sovreignty over anothers body

You must be amazed its illegal then in so many countries in the world- even the legal ones its generally only decriminalised.

Its also daft to call wrecker sexist. He is judgemental but it is NOT gender specific it is OCCUPATION specific.

I am not sure whether it is Hora or Wrecker who needs the spade most. Perhaps they could share it 😉

tpbiker you ask a question on a public forum 'should I date a prostitute'?

and your saying I post nonsense? **** me there are some right sorts on the internet.

The fact that you thought about it then posted that on a public forum shows me your socially awkward[/quote

Given I respect your opinion pretty much less than anyone else thats posts on here I'll take that as a compliment.

And yes, I would consider it (again she would be an ex prostitute if I dated her). Shes a nice girl i get on with, although I appreciate there is a social stigma attached. I was interested in other peoples views hence I posted on here. Most have been very insightful.

edit..also for the record i was asking what others would do. My mind has been made up either way before this thread was posted - albeit after a fair amount of deliberating.

 

I will not be quiet at the request of you.

I never requested you to be quiet. I simply explained why it was 'my stuff' to worry about (after you basically told me to mind my own business).

I tell you what, you worry about your own stuff yes?

You say you're not mysoginistic. Do you call women who dress a certain way sluts? Would you tell a rape victim they were basically asking for it depending on the way they were dressed, whether they had been 'leading a guy on' or the route they took home? Do you call transvestites trannies, queens etc.? Do you verbally abuse anyone else based on their lifestyle choices? Whether you like it or not the cold, ugly truth is that your views are (and I hate myself for having to use this term) based upon a patriarchial view of society where women are placed upon a virginal pedestal and any who don't conform to that ideology are disgraced and open to abuse. That you choose to direct your hatred at both men and women doesn't take away from the fact that it is still hatred, you are merely arguing the semantics.

Junkyard, that's not an answer. No reasoning, simply statements. I want to understand what the logic is behind this rather than some non-descript 'moral outrage'.

Tpbiker its something that you'd think about in private not say out loud to as much strangers as anyone who might know you. Ergo you are one of the social one awkward ones.

Sorry attempting a personal insult can't work. As for the age thing- its almost as though you are trying to find positives in the situation.

who is 15 years my junior wants to date me

Oddly maybe, but for me personally this would be more of an issue than her occupation, again each to their own and legal consenting adults can do what they like so long as they both remain so but I think 15 years would be way too much of a gap for me to deal with in terms of where we're both likely to be in life and want to go - not helped doubtless by the fact 15 years younger than me would still be a teenager and fifteen older would be heading for 50.

Of course pontificating is easy in the real world if we both liked each other enough I'd probably choose to give it a go

I never requested you to be quiet.

wrecker, you're in over your head, I suggest you put that spade down before you get any deeper.

Do you call women who dress a certain way sluts? Would you tell a rape victim they were basically asking for it depending on the way they were dressed, whether they had been 'leading a guy on' or the route they took home? Do you call transvestites trannies, queens etc.? Do you verbally abuse anyone else based on their lifestyle choices?

WTF????? I wouldn't dream of doing any. Do you?
How do you draw conclusions like that? I can only think that you have an overactive imagination or mental illness. Or maybe you visit prostitutes, is that the reason you're so outraged that some don't share your fondness of them?

What conclusions? They were questions.

As the answer is no to all, why are a particular group of sex workers different? Why single them out? I already asked why it's so bad but you seem unwilling or unable to answer that question.

As for the digging thing, it was a suggestion for the sake of what dignity and credibility you had left at that point, I wasn't compelling you to do anything. Not my fault you chose to interpret it the way you did.

I cannot help squirrellking if you dont like the answers

they are still the answers.

I have answered, have you? Are you a frequenter of brothels? Do you wet the bed?

I also find it offensive that you compare the question of prostitution with that of rape victims, transvestites, and the way some people dress. I think the answer to your other question is in that statement.
As for credibility, IDGAF what you think. I would hope that much is obvious.

Edit; perhaps I am judgemental, but you are even more so! Because I don't like prostitution you think I'm probably a sexist/mysognyst and possibly think rape is ok and also a homophobe xenophobe? That's a ridiculous train of thought.

I'll ask again as my question was ignored.
What about the girls who work in countries where prostitution is legal?
Girls who do a days work (or night),not forced into it by some pimp, pay their taxes and health insurance.
What about their morality? Doing nothing wrong apart from earning an honest living.
How do you feel about them?

300!

Tpbiker its something that you'd think about in private not say out loud to as much strangers as anyone who might know you. Ergo you are one of the social one awkward ones.

Sorry attempting a personal insult can't work. As for the age thing- its almost as though you are trying to find positives in the situation.

Its an anonymous forum?...Given you spend half your life on here i would have thought you may have noticed that folks ask for the opinion of folks on many random subjects. As per my earlier edit my mind was made up long before i posted this thread, but i was interested in what others would do. (hence the title 'would you?').

It was meant to be a fairly lighthearted thread...obviously it didn't turn out that way given the fairly eye opening opinions of some on here

The age thing was meant to be a positive...Im 40..i think most guys my age would be flattered by the attention of a stunning 26 year old.

Again as you don't know me and i'll never meet you, whether you think i am socially awkward is pretty irrellevant.

iolo me and mrshora wandered around when we were in Amsterdam and I've never seen such miserable looking people stood or sat within eyeshot in those windows. Its a job at the end of the day- however like many of us, its not the job they dreamed of doing one day when they were young and full of ideas.

OP- do you what you want. I personally wouldn't have asked the question. I'd have made a decision either way very quickly.

I have not referred to women as whores, I have referred to whores as whores.

You've referred to prostitutes as whores, sluts and slags. First page, if you've forgotten.

The woman who's been forced into prostitution by a drug dealer, is she a slag?

The woman who's using it to fund her PhD rather than start out life £50 in debt, is she a slag?

The woman who's been forced into prostitution by a drug dealer, is she a slag?

The woman who's abused by her partner and forced into prostitution, is she a slag?

The woman who's been tricked by a criminal gang as imported as a sex worker, is she a slag?

The woman who just loves sex, is she a slag?

All the same, these prostitutes.

I cannot help squirrellking if you dont like the answers

they are still the answers.

I think you misunderstand.

I agree with what you say, I'm just looking for a deeper meaning than 'well it's illegal most places' and 'they don't like them because they sell sex'. That's just pointing out the obvious. Or is it really that superficial?

40 / 26 is a perfectly acceptable (desirable?!) age gap I'd say. Anyway, ignoring the absolute multitude of going-round-in-circles responses on this thread and returning to the original question - you already know the answer - you want her and at the end of the day your instinct will take over. Whether it leads to anything long-term is irrelevant, if it does it does, if it doesn't - in the words of the Anti-Nowhere League - So F***ing What!

All the same, these prostitutes.

ok wrecker, what about those victims of child abuse in rotherham, who were in some cases [b]sold[/b] for sex with other men? does that make them slags, sluts or whores? Prostitutes? your definition of the word slag and slut is wrong, whore yes is another word for prostitute, slag and slut are derogatory words to describe women who have more sex and/or sexual partners than society, mainly men deem acceptable. ever wondered why there isn't similar terms for men?

Should anyone else? [b]I don't care[/b]!

You care enough to write a lot o tosh about it here though don't you?

I have answered, have you? Are you a frequenter of brothels? Do you wet the bed?

No you haven't. Not once in this whole car crsh of a discussion have you justified your stance on it being 'morally repugnant'. And I explained my stance on it quite clearly.

No I don't, I have no vested interest in this discussion barring that which I have already mentioned.

No I don't. I'm not sure what relevance this has either.

I also find it offensive that you compare the question of prostitution with that of rape victims, transvestites, and the way some people dress. I think the answer to your other question is in that statement.

Be offended all you like but it's two sides of the same coin. Victim blaming, slut shaming and whatever else is all the result of the aforementioned patriarchial viewpoints.

I never said you thought any of these things either (I've had to point this out twice now). As I said the last time they were QUESTIONS. Questions asked to see whether you find any of these other scenarios acceptable (which we have established that you don't) and if not, why you see fit to abuse a particular sub group (if not all, we haven't established this yet) of sex workers (which you have failed to answer several times).

I don't think you'll win trying to have a discussion with wrecker.
The guy/girl (possibly even an ex prostitute) seems to have some serious issues. He/she really should log off and think about what he's written.
Unfortunately I doubt he will so let him/her rot in his own misconceived mind.

Be offended all you like but it's two sides of the same coin. Victim blaming, slut shaming and whatever else is all the result of the aforementioned patriarchial viewpoints.

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I've no advice for the OP ( or anyone else for that matter). This thread's charged because of use of words like 'slut' and 'slag' without the protective little commas I put then in, so no one's hurt...

The words are nasty, and I guess they're usually used to hurt, or pretty carelessly at least. I don't use them because they do convey mysogeny.

But this isn't because I think what they refer to - promiscuous without much discrimination - is any kind of big deal. Seriously, who's going to chuck the first stone? I know a fair few folk who've been through phases back in the day. I remember one lass - down to earth scouse feminist - doing a reclaim the language bit, happily describing herself as a 'fat slag' ala Viz. Though to be fair this wasnt accurate as she wasn't that fat...

OP- I'll leave this topic with a closing thought for you. You posted such a topic, state her age and it comes across almost like you are showing off/just want congratulations then take it the wrong way when others disagree. You state I post 'nonsense' however you cant listen or take onboard what others say to you.

If you must post deeply personal topics online to a forum that is open to complete strangers what exactly are you looking for? Praise, the go-ahead?

OP- you may smell another man or worse still the smell of a another man's porridge. This can happen in affairs.

I'll leave it there. Nothing quite as queer as folk.

We did this pages ago, as you are well aware. You decided to throw in the examples of "forced" and it was addressed at the time.

Was it?

Where?

A personal distaste for prostitution is NOT related to "victim blaming" etc in any way whatsoever.

The problem is Wrecker, whether you like or dislike prostitution, the language you've used and the sweeping statements you have made - either overtly or inadvertently - make it sound like you have a far larger issue with prostitution than a mere "personal distaste".

You are allowed to dislike and disagree with it. You are allowed to vocalise your opinion on it. But calling anyone in the sex trade a 'whore' is unfair, uncalled for and, to be frank, incredibly narrow-minded.