[Closed] Wills and Kate

If you like.

You are a coward who makes pathetic snidey insinuations but doesn't have the evidence or the balls to actually say anything.

How's that for "saying what you mean and delivering the goods"

So why is it you've failed to answer my questions?

for example...

There is compelling evidence to suggest there was a far wider network of paedophiles and abusers operating nationwide and perhaps even further afield, utilizing care homes and hospitals to source their prey; the full scale and involvement of this is gut wrenching; there is multiple accounts of the security services involvement as a means of blackmail and coercion to manipulate the perverted powermongers.

https://soundcloud.com/gypsumfantastic23/ken-mi5

Perhaps you think that is acceptable?

So yep, I'm happy to put it out there that people with far more wealth and influence than me have been up to some dark and nasty shit, whilst they have the technology to retrieve all the information they like about me through a public funded surveillance network...

At the very least, Big ears, Mother and much of the family knew what old Jimmy the beast was up to and withheld it from the public gaze, much like they and their agents are currently doing with any inconvenient information that comes to light in the aftermath.

Now who's the coward?

Put your prosthetic danglies away and show you mean business ya numpty...

maybe even bring some of your own material to the debate rather than criticizing others

At the very least, Big ears, Mother and much of the family knew what old Jimmy the beast was up to and withheld it from the public gaze, much like they and their agents are currently doing with any inconvenient information that comes to light in the aftermath.

So you reckon they all sat round had a cup of tea had it off with some servant wenches and agreed not to tell anyone?

You leave my family tree out of this 😀

CaptainFlashheart - Member
I was feeling so oppressed today that I went for a ride.

Do you want to be called Loretta ?

well that makes as much sense as your other posts, and as for bringing our own material to the table, it's very hard to prove that something didn't happen or that there is no conspiracy to someone who believes completely that it's true. Once a conspiracy is declared it's almost impossible to get rid of no matter how much fact or evidence is provided.

[i]Doing my best to ignore the nutter jivehoneyjive[/i]

Would Tourism be affected in any meaningful way? I doubt it and besides which when something is wrong its still wrong if someone us making a profit.
Would we need a president if we have a second chamber. We might find we gladhand less unpleasant people if someone is expecting to be elected after doing it maybe. Again its still wrong even if a big arms deal is relying on it.
Focal points for the masses argument is plain daft we would still have posh and becks or whoever.
and the song is shit but I suppose thats not their fault.
and the bad points go far beyond cost

At the very least, Big ears, Mother and much of the family knew what old Jimmy the beast was up to and withheld it from the public gaze,

I feel a bit silly asking really, but I don't suppose you have any proof of that do you.

Put your prosthetic danglies away and show you mean business ya numpty...

I've no idea what that's supposed to mean.

But as long as means something to you, that's all that matters.

I feel a bit silly asking really, but I don't suppose you have any proof of that do you.

Do you have any proof to the contrary?

I've provided many links in my posts which I can't help but feel you've completely ignored in your vigour to belittle my contribution...

anyhoo:

[quote> https://soundcloud.com/gypsumfantastic23/ken-mi5

Perhaps you think that is acceptable?

C'mon big baws, spit it out

I feel a bit silly asking really, but I don't suppose you have any proof of that do you.
Do you have any proof to the contrary?

your making some accusations based on some fairly tenuous info and drawing ridiculous conclusion from it.

Much the same as you are for your side of the argument... what makes your information any more valid than mine?

You have made a claim you need to prove it
that is how it works.

All the claims I've made I've proved, if you took the time to read the links provided, all the information is there; if you have any specific queries, fire away...

In the meantime, if you have any proof to categorically disprove any of what I've presented, please feel at leisure to do so 😉

Your job is done, jive, people have read your links and made up their own minds. You can move on to the next thread knowing your work here has been a success. I loved the Andrew article BTW.

Bad Points
Cost

/strolls in

WT actual F

\laughs and strolls out

Promotes the notion that some people are born better than others. Logical consequences: racism; slavery

Are you a real Doctor ?

No. I just play one on TV.

No. I just play one on TV.

Thank God for that then !

I'm a real Dr and I agre with him!

Worried that you might be sharing space with people who really do have a clue, cheekyboy?

The year we "celebrate" the start of WWI we should perhaps remember why it all kicked off.

Worried that you might be sharing space with people who really do have a clue, cheekyboy?

The year we "celebrate" the start of WWI we should perhaps remember why it all kicked off

Nothing to worry me here mate !

Who is we ? I wont be celebrating the start of WW1, will you ?

I'm a real Dr and I agre with him!

Now that could be worrying ! btw is agre some sort of mutual activity ?

Promotes the notion that some people are born better than others. Logical consequences: racism; slavery

That must explain why countries which eschewed a monarchy in favour of a republic led the way in the abolition of slavery and became shining beacons of racial harmony, like America...oh!

Many American states abolished slavery before the lords rejected attempts at abolition. Check the Wiki time line.

In France slavery was abolished at the revolution but reinstated once a dictator was back in charge which tends to confirm the link between slavery and monarchies/dictatorships.

Promotes the notion that some people are born better than others. Logical consequences: racism; slavery

No promotion is needed as people are definitely [u]not born the same[/u] in life with some better than others.

People are born the same only in that they come into this world with nothing and they shall leave with nothing. Fact!

😈

In France slavery was abolished at the revolution but reinstated once a dictator was back in charge which tends to confirm the link between slavery and monarchies/dictatorships.

Also the fact that in France, which has no monarchy, racist parties such the Front National, do very bad electorally, while in the UK, which has a monarchy, racist parties such as the NF and BNP do extremely well and have many MPs.

Which proves how having a monarchy promotes racism.

🙄 🙄 🙄

Do you have any proof to the contrary?

You should be really embarrassed using that sort of bollx reply to try and prove anything.

I've provided many links in my posts which I can't help but feel you've completely ignored in your vigour to belittle my contribution...
anyhoo:
> https://soundcloud.com/gypsumfantastic23/ken-mi5
Perhaps you think that is acceptable?

Acceptable as what.

It's just some bloke saying something.

Does he have any proof of what he's saying, as I didn't hear any ?

Did you just believe what he said blindly because it suits your view ?

C'mon big baws, spit it out

You seem obsessed by my tackle for some reason.

It's a bit weird.

You should be really embarrassed using that sort of bollx reply to try and prove anything.

To be fair jivehoneyjive doesn't had a monopoly over talking bollox on this thread. There appears to have been an outbreak of nonsensical drivel throughout this thread 🙂

Chewkw very sad that you think that but I suppose it does explain why you dont see royalty as wrong.

I think you're confusing racism and nationalism, Ernie, at least as far as the FN is concerned. I thoroughly read the FN manifesto and there wasn't anything racist in it, plenty of other reasons not to vote for them though.

Check out the countries which are still proper monarchies and you'll find they are indeed racist. The UK is still class based, just as bad as racism and a form of slavery IMO. A system based on birth right and wealth-based privilege.

To be fair jivehoneyjive doesn't had a monopoly over talking bollox on this thread. There appears to have been an outbreak of nonsensical drivel throughout this thread

That's good enough for me ernie, lets hold hands and skip into a glorious sunset 😉

You can even wear the ruby slippers if you like 😆

anagallis_arvensis - Member

Chewkw very sad that you think that but I suppose it dies explain why you dont see royalty as wrong.

Well put it another way no matter what the system is replaced with we are merely deluding ourselves that one system is better than the other. (I am referring to the system of monarchy vs etc. btw) Is the elected Presidential system better or are just saying that because we have the right to choose then it must be good?

As for equality there is no such thing total equality as we are merely acting up to our tolerance with what we accept in our own best interest. Fact is we always think that we are more equal than others. Number one self always come first for general populace.

😀

p/s: yes, the monarchy system is not perfect but I doubt the modern monarchy go all the way to oppress others.

Edukator - Troll

Check out the countries which are still proper monarchies and you'll find they are indeed racist.

I think they prefer people to be their loyal subjects more than anything else.

Well lets be honest our system isnt too bad but what the monarchy stands for is indefensible imo. A republic wouldnt be based on symbolic inequality.

anagallis_arvensis - Member

Well lets be honest our system isnt too bad but what the monarchy stands for is indefensible imo. A republic wouldnt be based on symbolic inequality.

I think you have confused yourself with Henry VIII(and his predecessors) and the modern monarchy system. Yes, the latter is expensive but the cost can easily be dealt with if we must.

Other systems merely reinvent the wheel by giving others the chance to be in power (govern) but the basic principle is still the ruling over others. Therefore, nothing change in principle. Someone still need to be at the bottom of the hierarchy. 🙄

At least we could choose who is at the top and it is open to everyone if you fail to see that point then we cannot really move on with discussion and will have to agre (for the benefit of the idiot above) to differ 😀

At least we could choose who is at the top and it is open to everyone

Right, so you end up with a popularity contest?

[img] [/img]

Ninfan are you completely incapable of debate as you just run in with the odd daft comment and never make anything other than negative points.
Posh and Becks would be elected president eh thats just an idiot statement. Has similar happend in Ireland or France?

Besides which how are Kate and Wills any better?

I thoroughly read the FN manifesto and there wasn't anything racist in it

Yes of course, just like the BNP then - you won't find anything racist in any of their manifestos.
And the holocaust was just "a detail" of history, right ?

So remind me again why in the United Kingdom racist parties do so badly in elections ? They seem to do much better in simular European countries.

I know one thing for sure - it's got **** all to do with whether we have a monarchy or not.

Is it to do with proportional representation?

Ninfan are you completely incapable of debate as you just run in with the odd daft comment

To be fair you did say that the Queen oppresses you everyday, which about as daft as you can get.

How is it not true?

From those oxford types:

Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or exercise of authority:

Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or exercise of authority

😆

See if Amnesty International will take up your case.

Ninfan are you completely incapable of debate as you just run in with the odd daft comment

I tried debating with you pages pack, when I pointed out that:

Yes, the Royal family places our head of state and international representation above short term politics.
This is a good thing!
Having the wrong head of state can turn your country into a laughing stock.

However you chose to ignore it and whinge on about how the evil system keeps you down, saying that pointing out this inherent and serious weakness in electing your head of state was an 'other people are worse non argument' - So there seems little point in bothering with debate with you it turns out that you are the one not willing to actually listen to or debate anyone else's points, is there A_A?

Posh and Becks would be elected president eh thats just an idiot statement. Has similar happend in Ireland or France?

I note you cherry picked your countries nicely!

And the holocaust was just "a detail" of history, right ?

Clearly not, he got prosecuted for saying it. Politics evolve and his daughter is the boss now. I doubt you'd get a current UMP politician coming out with this now, or anyone from the FN:

"C'est trés bien qu'il y ait des Français noirs,des Français bruns,ils montrent que la Françe est ouverte à toutes les races et qu'elle a une vocation universelle.
Mais à condition qu'ils restent une petite minorité.
Sinon,la France ne serait plus la France.
Nous sommes quand même avant tout un peuple européen de race blanche,de culture grecque et latine et de religion chrétienne.
Qu'on ne se raconte pas d'histoire,les musulmans,vous êtes allés les voir ? Vous les avez regardés avec leurs turbans et leur djellabas ?.
Vous voyez bien que ce ne sont pas des Français.Ceux qui prônent l'intégration ont une cervelle de colibri.
Essayez d'intégrer de l'huile et du vinaigre.Agitez la bouteille.Au bout d'un moment,ils se sépareront de nouveau.
Les arabes sont des arabes,les Français sont des Français.
Vous croyez que le corps français peut absorber dix millions de musulmans,qui demain seront vingt millions et aprés demain quarante ?
Si nous faisions l'intégration,si tous les arabes et les berbéres d'Algérie étaient considérés comme des Français les empêcheriez-vous de venir s'installer en métropole,alors que le niveau de vie y est tellement plus élevé?
Mon village ne s'appellerait plus Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises,mais Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées."

Google will tell you whom I'm quoting. I reckon just one white family having exclusive right to the throne and the highest rank is the protestant church is racist.

See if Amnesty International will take up your case.

Brilliant!

That's it.

A post that is pretty much entirely in French.

Can it get any more ridiculous in here this week?

Would you rather I'd quoted Churchill? His outpourings on colonial matters were equally xenophobic (at best).

Reagan for all his faults was elected by the people and was governor of california I think for a while before...like that other actor type bloke. Both elected thats life they hardly suit my politics but were politicians. They can come from any walk of life as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, the Royal family places our head of state and international representation above short term politics.

Why, were Charlies letters to do with short term politics?

When you consider what happened during the Reagan years you'll have trouble finding a US president that di more for world peace. Go on I challenge you. Find me a president that did better than ending the cold war without a war. I would argue Obama's drone deaths in ****stan are worse than anything Reagan did.

ninfan - Member

Why, were Charlies letters to do with short term politics?

We dont know they wont release them but even those blocking release say they call into question his impartiality which could cause a constitutional crisis.

Reagan was US president when Gorbachev was USSR president. What part he played n bringing the Cold War to an end is debatable.

Clearly biased but worth a read:

[url= http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/president-reagans-legacy-and-us-nuclear-weapons-policy ]Reagan and the end of the cold war.[/url]

regardless of whether he wrote them or just delivered them, the Pointe du Hoc and Berlin (tear down this wall) speeches have to be amongst the most important ever delivered.

Either I've not woken up properly, or I've accidentally logged into surrealtrackworld....

maybe see if amnesty international will take you up on it

😆

In summary we are going for Monarchy makes you racist, they all were in on it with Jimmy and on a daily basis the queen makes AA bring her breakfast I think, with a bit if random Regan was awesome.

What about the important royal debate .........Kate or Pippa?
[img] [/img]

Here they are clapping all the BS on this thread.

K........

random Regan was awesome.

Very random. He was though.

[img] [/img]

You missed Gorbachev was also awesome, Mike.

Kate or Pippa?

There's another weird thing - 2 hints that look like Woolies checkout girls and you're all coming in your kegs because they're "royal". Such loyal subjects!!

Pippa's royal? When did that happen?

DrJ - Member
The argument is surely simple enough - either you believe that men are created equal, or you don't. If you do, then you can't (logically) support the monarchy. If you don't, then you can approve of the monarchy, slavery, and a host of other inequalities.

DrJ - Member
There's another weird thing - 2 hints that look like Woolies checkout girls .......

I assume the "Woolies checkout girls" comment was intended as an insult. You obviously don't believe that everyone is "created equal" after all.

So it turns out that you think like a typical royalist, or at least as you claim to perceive royalists. Oh the hypocrisy of middle-class "liberals".

BTW the common people no longer shop at Woolies - it went bankrupt in the last recession. Keep up.

I assume the "Woolies checkout girls" comment was intended as an insult. You obviously don't believe that everyone is "created equal" after all.

Come, come now Ernie, he said all MEN were created equal, nothing about women....

Woolies - it went bankrupt in the last recession. Keep up.

It depends where you live, I went shopping in Woolies not long ago. My wife used to work on the sweet counter in Woolies and is better dressed than either of those two. Letting her loose in Desigual in Barcelona did nearly as much damage to family finances as Francois Holland's tax hikes.

Actually I had thought about that metalheart when DrJ posted the first comment. What does it say about Her Majesty....is his/her real name Loretta ?

Time to re-post this I reckon

I went shopping in Woolies not long ago.

Not in the United Kingdom which is ruled by Her Majesty you didn't.

My wife used to work on the sweet counter in Woolies and is better dressed than either of those two.

So you think DrP should think of a better term of abuse ? What would you suggest ?

The UK is still class based

What?

The pointless witterings on here about two pretty but fairly plain young ladies just go to show how linked to the cult of celebrity these days. Princess Anne may want to gas badgers but at least she doesnt rely on her looks to get in the papers.

So what?

Both do a good job, what have looks got to do with it anyway?

Good job? What job?
Whats looks got to do with it? Well look at the witterings above, the riyals need to be in the papers and need to go on tours to keep up support. If Kate looked like a pig she wouldnt be in the papers as much.

Which would make me less miserable....maybe

[url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_British_Class_Survey ]A class based society.[/url]

And they do look like girls on the Woolies sweet counter, Madame no doubt looked like that when she worked there and conformed to the dress code. She's still the same dress size, I'll have to ask her if she still has the dresses in the wardrobe at her mum's place.

..... just go to show how linked to the cult of celebrity these days.

So let's have a revolution and declare Britain as a republic to get rid of "the cult of celebrity" ?

Self-declared republic, France, has no such problems

[img] [/img]

Nor does monarchy free United States

[img] [/img]

I misread your post then AA, I thought you were saying that (at least) Anne didn't need to rely on her looks. Obviously looks are important to you - hence the pig comment - so the whole point seems pointless.

Good job? What job?

No smiley?

Ernie you are just proving my point for me well done.

Not sure what your post proves Edukator. As in all countries some people are rich and influential, some are not. I'm not aware of any legislation based on this though.

You've lost me THM? What are you trying to say?

I assume the "Woolies checkout girls" comment was intended as an insult. You obviously don't believe that everyone is "created equal" after all.

The [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Constitution ]British constitution[/url] would be a good point to start your reading then, Molgrips.

Then continue with [url= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_treason_in_the_United_Kingdom ]treason law[/url]

So if you get seduced by Kate you face life in prison.

That you sound confused