[Closed] Wills and Kate

Worried that you might be sharing space with people who really do have a clue, cheekyboy?

The year we "celebrate" the start of WWI we should perhaps remember why it all kicked off

Nothing to worry me here mate !

Who is we ? I wont be celebrating the start of WW1, will you ?

I'm a real Dr and I agre with him!

Now that could be worrying ! btw is agre some sort of mutual activity ?

Promotes the notion that some people are born better than others. Logical consequences: racism; slavery

That must explain why countries which eschewed a monarchy in favour of a republic led the way in the abolition of slavery and became shining beacons of racial harmony, like America...oh!

Many American states abolished slavery before the lords rejected attempts at abolition. Check the Wiki time line.

In France slavery was abolished at the revolution but reinstated once a dictator was back in charge which tends to confirm the link between slavery and monarchies/dictatorships.

Promotes the notion that some people are born better than others. Logical consequences: racism; slavery

No promotion is needed as people are definitely [u]not born the same[/u] in life with some better than others.

People are born the same only in that they come into this world with nothing and they shall leave with nothing. Fact!

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In France slavery was abolished at the revolution but reinstated once a dictator was back in charge which tends to confirm the link between slavery and monarchies/dictatorships.

Also the fact that in France, which has no monarchy, racist parties such the Front National, do very bad electorally, while in the UK, which has a monarchy, racist parties such as the NF and BNP do extremely well and have many MPs.

Which proves how having a monarchy promotes racism.

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Do you have any proof to the contrary?

You should be really embarrassed using that sort of bollx reply to try and prove anything.

I've provided many links in my posts which I can't help but feel you've completely ignored in your vigour to belittle my contribution...
anyhoo:
https://soundcloud.com/gypsumfantastic23/ken-mi5
Perhaps you think that is acceptable?

Acceptable as what.

It's just some bloke saying something.

Does he have any proof of what he's saying, as I didn't hear any ?

Did you just believe what he said blindly because it suits your view ?

C'mon big baws, spit it out

You seem obsessed by my tackle for some reason.

It's a bit weird.

You should be really embarrassed using that sort of bollx reply to try and prove anything.

To be fair jivehoneyjive doesn't had a monopoly over talking bollox on this thread. There appears to have been an outbreak of nonsensical drivel throughout this thread 🙂

Chewkw very sad that you think that but I suppose it does explain why you dont see royalty as wrong.

I think you're confusing racism and nationalism, Ernie, at least as far as the FN is concerned. I thoroughly read the FN manifesto and there wasn't anything racist in it, plenty of other reasons not to vote for them though.

Check out the countries which are still proper monarchies and you'll find they are indeed racist. The UK is still class based, just as bad as racism and a form of slavery IMO. A system based on birth right and wealth-based privilege.

To be fair jivehoneyjive doesn't had a monopoly over talking bollox on this thread. There appears to have been an outbreak of nonsensical drivel throughout this thread

That's good enough for me ernie, lets hold hands and skip into a glorious sunset 😉

You can even wear the ruby slippers if you like 😆

anagallis_arvensis - Member

Chewkw very sad that you think that but I suppose it dies explain why you dont see royalty as wrong.

Well put it another way no matter what the system is replaced with we are merely deluding ourselves that one system is better than the other. (I am referring to the system of monarchy vs etc. btw) Is the elected Presidential system better or are just saying that because we have the right to choose then it must be good?

As for equality there is no such thing total equality as we are merely acting up to our tolerance with what we accept in our own best interest. Fact is we always think that we are more equal than others. Number one self always come first for general populace.

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p/s: yes, the monarchy system is not perfect but I doubt the modern monarchy go all the way to oppress others.

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Check out the countries which are still proper monarchies and you'll find they are indeed racist.

I think they prefer people to be their loyal subjects more than anything else.

Well lets be honest our system isnt too bad but what the monarchy stands for is indefensible imo. A republic wouldnt be based on symbolic inequality.

anagallis_arvensis - Member

Well lets be honest our system isnt too bad but what the monarchy stands for is indefensible imo. A republic wouldnt be based on symbolic inequality.

I think you have confused yourself with Henry VIII(and his predecessors) and the modern monarchy system. Yes, the latter is expensive but the cost can easily be dealt with if we must.

Other systems merely reinvent the wheel by giving others the chance to be in power (govern) but the basic principle is still the ruling over others. Therefore, nothing change in principle. Someone still need to be at the bottom of the hierarchy. 🙄

At least we could choose who is at the top and it is open to everyone if you fail to see that point then we cannot really move on with discussion and will have to agre (for the benefit of the idiot above) to differ 😀

At least we could choose who is at the top and it is open to everyone

Right, so you end up with a popularity contest?

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Ninfan are you completely incapable of debate as you just run in with the odd daft comment and never make anything other than negative points.
Posh and Becks would be elected president eh thats just an idiot statement. Has similar happend in Ireland or France?

Besides which how are Kate and Wills any better?

I thoroughly read the FN manifesto and there wasn't anything racist in it

Yes of course, just like the BNP then - you won't find anything racist in any of their manifestos.
And the holocaust was just "a detail" of history, right ?

So remind me again why in the United Kingdom racist parties do so badly in elections ? They seem to do much better in simular European countries.

I know one thing for sure - it's got **** all to do with whether we have a monarchy or not.

Is it to do with proportional representation?

Ninfan are you completely incapable of debate as you just run in with the odd daft comment

To be fair you did say that the Queen oppresses you everyday, which about as daft as you can get.

How is it not true?

From those oxford types:

Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or exercise of authority:

Prolonged cruel or unjust treatment or exercise of authority

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See if Amnesty International will take up your case.

Ninfan are you completely incapable of debate as you just run in with the odd daft comment

I tried debating with you pages pack, when I pointed out that:

Yes, the Royal family places our head of state and international representation above short term politics.
This is a good thing!
Having the wrong head of state can turn your country into a laughing stock.

However you chose to ignore it and whinge on about how the evil system keeps you down, saying that pointing out this inherent and serious weakness in electing your head of state was an 'other people are worse non argument' - So there seems little point in bothering with debate with you it turns out that you are the one not willing to actually listen to or debate anyone else's points, is there A_A?

Posh and Becks would be elected president eh thats just an idiot statement. Has similar happend in Ireland or France?

I note you cherry picked your countries nicely!

And the holocaust was just "a detail" of history, right ?

Clearly not, he got prosecuted for saying it. Politics evolve and his daughter is the boss now. I doubt you'd get a current UMP politician coming out with this now, or anyone from the FN:

"C'est trés bien qu'il y ait des Français noirs,des Français bruns,ils montrent que la Françe est ouverte à toutes les races et qu'elle a une vocation universelle.
Mais à condition qu'ils restent une petite minorité.
Sinon,la France ne serait plus la France.
Nous sommes quand même avant tout un peuple européen de race blanche,de culture grecque et latine et de religion chrétienne.
Qu'on ne se raconte pas d'histoire,les musulmans,vous êtes allés les voir ? Vous les avez regardés avec leurs turbans et leur djellabas ?.
Vous voyez bien que ce ne sont pas des Français.Ceux qui prônent l'intégration ont une cervelle de colibri.
Essayez d'intégrer de l'huile et du vinaigre.Agitez la bouteille.Au bout d'un moment,ils se sépareront de nouveau.
Les arabes sont des arabes,les Français sont des Français.
Vous croyez que le corps français peut absorber dix millions de musulmans,qui demain seront vingt millions et aprés demain quarante ?
Si nous faisions l'intégration,si tous les arabes et les berbéres d'Algérie étaient considérés comme des Français les empêcheriez-vous de venir s'installer en métropole,alors que le niveau de vie y est tellement plus élevé?
Mon village ne s'appellerait plus Colombey-les-Deux-Eglises,mais Colombey-les-Deux-Mosquées."

Google will tell you whom I'm quoting. I reckon just one white family having exclusive right to the throne and the highest rank is the protestant church is racist.

See if Amnesty International will take up your case.

Brilliant!

That's it.

A post that is pretty much entirely in French.

Can it get any more ridiculous in here this week?

Would you rather I'd quoted Churchill? His outpourings on colonial matters were equally xenophobic (at best).

Reagan for all his faults was elected by the people and was governor of california I think for a while before...like that other actor type bloke. Both elected thats life they hardly suit my politics but were politicians. They can come from any walk of life as far as I'm concerned.

Yes, the Royal family places our head of state and international representation above short term politics.

Why, were Charlies letters to do with short term politics?

When you consider what happened during the Reagan years you'll have trouble finding a US president that di more for world peace. Go on I challenge you. Find me a president that did better than ending the cold war without a war. I would argue Obama's drone deaths in ****stan are worse than anything Reagan did.

ninfan - Member

Why, were Charlies letters to do with short term politics?

We dont know they wont release them but even those blocking release say they call into question his impartiality which could cause a constitutional crisis.

Reagan was US president when Gorbachev was USSR president. What part he played n bringing the Cold War to an end is debatable.

Clearly biased but worth a read:

[url= http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/president-reagans-legacy-and-us-nuclear-weapons-policy ]Reagan and the end of the cold war.[/url]

regardless of whether he wrote them or just delivered them, the Pointe du Hoc and Berlin (tear down this wall) speeches have to be amongst the most important ever delivered.

Either I've not woken up properly, or I've accidentally logged into surrealtrackworld....

maybe see if amnesty international will take you up on it

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In summary we are going for Monarchy makes you racist, they all were in on it with Jimmy and on a daily basis the queen makes AA bring her breakfast I think, with a bit if random Regan was awesome.

What about the important royal debate .........Kate or Pippa?
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Here they are clapping all the BS on this thread.

K........

random Regan was awesome.

Very random. He was though.

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You missed Gorbachev was also awesome, Mike.

Kate or Pippa?

There's another weird thing - 2 hints that look like Woolies checkout girls and you're all coming in your kegs because they're "royal". Such loyal subjects!!

Pippa's royal? When did that happen?

DrJ - Member
The argument is surely simple enough - either you believe that men are created equal, or you don't. If you do, then you can't (logically) support the monarchy. If you don't, then you can approve of the monarchy, slavery, and a host of other inequalities.

DrJ - Member
There's another weird thing - 2 hints that look like Woolies checkout girls .......

I assume the "Woolies checkout girls" comment was intended as an insult. You obviously don't believe that everyone is "created equal" after all.

So it turns out that you think like a typical royalist, or at least as you claim to perceive royalists. Oh the hypocrisy of middle-class "liberals".

BTW the common people no longer shop at Woolies - it went bankrupt in the last recession. Keep up.

I assume the "Woolies checkout girls" comment was intended as an insult. You obviously don't believe that everyone is "created equal" after all.

Come, come now Ernie, he said all MEN were created equal, nothing about women....

Woolies - it went bankrupt in the last recession. Keep up.

It depends where you live, I went shopping in Woolies not long ago. My wife used to work on the sweet counter in Woolies and is better dressed than either of those two. Letting her loose in Desigual in Barcelona did nearly as much damage to family finances as Francois Holland's tax hikes.