It doesn't say anything about mitigations in schools in Germany and Scotland, just that cases have risen since schools went back. Pretending that Covid isn't going to spread in schools in England (and France) as they follow those other countries back into classrooms isn't going to help anyone. It will spread. Fast and wide. The question is... do you try and reduce that (you can't stop it) with mitigations put in place in France (and elsewhere), or take the approach that we are in England? I mean, I'm still surprised it's even a question, despite the past record of our government.
It doesn’t say anything about mitigations in schools in Germany and Scotland, just that cases have risen since schools went back
Yes, that's what I said.
If English schools go back without masks etc, then we'll no longer be the infected man of Europe up here!
If English schools go back without masks etc
If? It's already happened, our school rolled back to the above posted dictat within 48hrs of me posting they they wouldn't.
Madness. Tbh I wasn't aware when your schools go back, thought it was imminent though.
Don’t spread fake news, it helps no one.
I sacked off my job as a postie two weeks ago, having worked throughout the Covid situation without missing a day. Various reasons, a big one being that since we went back to van sharing, they were making me jump in a van with a different random person every day - including one guy in his 30s who isn't jabbed because he's trying for a kid and is worried a vaccination will affect the quality of his sperm...
wife's colleague childs' school has lasted 3 day back before having to close due to covid related staff shortages.
No reported absences at my daughters secondary school that she's aware of. Surprised and grateful.
My son missed the first week of term after testing positive. 3 of my daughters mates in 6th form are off with covid.
Staff testing is now voluntary.
Always has been.
More kids off with Covid than at any point in past I guesstimate at my school.
There's lots of post lockdown issues coming out of the woodwork - two I came across today:
a) Resignations - much of the UK workforce could resign and replace in 2021 after people re-evaluate their employment with a 12% average resignation increase.
b) Car journeys are matching pre pandemic level already, whilst all other transport modes are not. Predictably, people are happy to be in their own enclosed environment more than they are share another mode of transport. Cue crowded roads and environmental issue.
However, UK cases seem flat but lets wait 2 weeks and see...
However, UK cases seem flat but lets wait 2 weeks and see…
It might be exponential growth, but the 7 day rolling average of cases by specimen date rose by 40% from 1 August to 1 September.
Cue crowded roads and environmental issue.
Understandable. Got the train yesterday. Packed. I was the only one wearing a mask 'till the station where I got off, where other passengers wearing masks got on. If I was commuting, I'd be avoiding daily train use for sure. In the scenario where everyone who could was wearing a mask, and windows were all open where they could be, I'd see train use quite differently.
And we've had our first case of the term in the Scout group, one of Monday nights Beavers....
Well that's shell admitted they are looking at jab or job policy for offshore workers as I predicted a month or so ago.
Won't be long till others follow
Aye, definitely, The NHS study on that in England will further fuel it too.
It'll be interesting to watch the vax figures now that passports are a thing.
Fyi - source - Reuters. Not sharing anything I shouldn't be....-its a small industry ;))
President Biden is going for compulsion - link
He said he had directed the US Department of Labor to require all private businesses with 100 or more staff to mandate the jab or request proof of a negative coronavirus test from employees at least once a week.
Nearly 17 million other healthcare workers at facilities receiving federal benefits will also face the same requirements, he said.
We don't always slavishly follow the US but it wouldn't surprise me if we do in this case - assuming needing a vaccine passport to go to night clubs (but not packed pubs) and football matches doesn't do it.
We don’t always slavishly follow the US but it wouldn’t surprise me if we do in this case
Aside from compelling people to get the jab on medical grounds, one day they’ll be a lawsuit as someone infects people and causes a business some loss by thier absence, and “jabs or jobs” will be mandatory.
Aside from compelling people to get the jab on medical grounds, one day they’ll be a lawsuit as someone infects people and causes a business some loss by thier absence, and “jabs or jobs” will be mandatory.
I'd like to think that would be thrown out of court as not in the public interest. Though I'm sure the lawyers would get rich just getting it to that point
Aside from compelling people to get the jab on medical grounds, one day they’ll be a lawsuit as someone infects people and causes a business some loss by thier absence, and “jabs or jobs” will be mandatory.
I'm rabidly pro-vaccines but even so there's a counter argument - what happens when a company-mandated vaccination causes serious side effects or death? Of course that's hugely rare, but it does happen, and will happen if all companies with more than 100 people have to do this. I guess if it's government led then the responsibility has to pass on to the government, not the company.
I'm genuinely not sure what I think about this. In scenarios like care homes it makes sense that the risk to others of having unvaccinated people around is too high. In the other extreme, legally compelling every person to have the vaccine would be a bit much. I'm not sure where to draw the line in between though.
I was very surprised to discover recently that there's still a lot of pro footballers that haven't been vaccinated.
Compulsion is a bit of a slippery slope. Vaccination doesn't do much to stifle transmission of the delta variant which is what is generally going around, so it's not like masks where you're doing it for others.
If you want to get folk to move from anti-compulsion to pro-compulsion you're just going to have to offer more of an incentive. £30k pa and a job as a Scottish Minister seems to be enough.
https://twitter.com/ALFraioli/status/1435999103008362506?s=19
Alternatively, Scots Tory leader Douglas Ross voted against vaccine passports, but has admitted he'll vote for it in a Westminster vote.
Aye very good Dougie, a shite referee, and a shite politician.
To limit employment opportunities and access to events based on having a jab or not is not cool at all. Even as a double jabbed person I think this is wrong. The jab doesn't last forever so in 18months (im pessimistic on boosters for young/non vulnerable) time will I offer any more or less protection to those around me than a non jabbed person. who knows.
I was very surprised to discover recently that there’s still a lot of pro footballers that haven’t been vaccinated.
If aerobic athletes like pro footballers have been taking anecdotal reports from a number of people including myself at face value, I'm not so surprised that some are reluctant to get jabbed.
The short version is, the first OxAZ jab especially, but also the second hit me for six and pretty much wrote off the last ~6 months in terms of my cycling fitness and associated stats. 2021 has been a cycling year to throw in the bin, moreso than 2020 when I had Covid and other setbacks including no cycling at all after a back abcess revomal.
I was off work after both jabs for ~2 weeks each time and after both pretty much wasted two weeks annual leave, unable to do the cycling I hoped to do.
Fortunately bad side effects like I had, being on the verge of being told to visit hospital are quite rare, but they do happen.
To limit employment opportunities and access to events based on having a jab or not is not cool at all.
I think it's very cool. Everyone has had access to two doses, and nothing stops them from meeting other unvaccinated people outside.
This minimises the risk to other people; not least because people who aren't vaccinated don't tend to bother with social distancing and would probably go out even if they had symptoms.
Today, we shared positive pre-clinical data demonstrating our ability to combine 6 mRNAs against 3 different respiratory viruses in 1 vaccine: COVID-19 booster + Flu booster + RSV booster
What great news for the future!
The stuff that might become possible in future thanks to mRNA is mind bogglingly positive. The research into cancer vaccines still feels like science fiction.
https://twitter.com/newscientist/status/1435950784097792001?s=21
My kids have gone back to school in France last week . Masks compulsory everywhere including outside . For all kids above 12 , form to fill in if they wanted a jab and school will do a bus to vaccination center . Mine are already jabbed . Co2 monitors in all communal spaces .
Hope the masks are worn rather better than they are here. In a local shop on Tuesday, 3 customers and 2 staff. One customer ( me) in fit tested elastomeric n95, the other two in surgical masks loose enough you could have put a finger between mask and face. Staff in cloth masks, one complaining the mask made her glasses steam up. Hard to see the point of it.
They are, Ian. Since the start of term Madame has had to ask three kids to cover their noses. That's 3 in 150 that she teaches. However, we're in a zone where masks aren't obligatory in the playground anymore.
Masks in playground till 20th of septembre. But compulsory inside shops. To be fair we all are used to it.
Used to it and very much in favour but I was glad to get the thing off when it was high 30s last week. I felt sorry for the bar staff in masks serving unmasked customers on terrasses at 37°C
You really think we're gonna click that? I think you're mistaken.
lol, what you scared of?
censorship in full effect on this thread then?
crack on.
2019 I * hate Nazi's!
2021 Show me your * papers!
Not difficult is it?
Shit meme though.
fit tested elastomeric n95,
Throwback to April 2020!
Not heard that phrase in a while.
High School in Stafford - no positives from LFTs school-wide before term starts.
This Tuesday, Science teacher, feeling a bit rough, goes to testing station at half time in the Sports Hall.
Tests positive, goes home. Is unvaccinated (is a bit of a dick).
No one in contact with him on Monday or Tuesday, Staff or Pupil, asked to do shit. Senior Science Tech in close contact with him on both Monday and Tuesday, also unvaccinated (also is a bit of a dick), remains in place, sees the week out.
We are running a tight ship.
