No one in contact with him on Monday or Tuesday, Staff or Pupil, asked to do shit.
Not saying it's right, but we shared a hotel room with our lad for 3 nights after attending the event where he provably caught it, sat opposite him on a train for 5 hours the day he started with a "heavy cold" and took no precautions about contact with him round the house for the two days at home he was testing negative before he finally tested positive. None of us, vaccinated and unvaccinated, caught it.
I'm not saying it's right, especially for unvaccinated colleagues, but transmission isn't as guaranteed as I thought it might be. Only time will tell if it's the right policy this time to try not disruption education.
Science teacher..... Is unvaccinated
That's the bit that concerns me, tbh.
To limit employment opportunities and access to events based on having a jab or not is not cool at all.
I simultaneously feel very uncomfortable about vaccine passports while feeling like the vast majority of people who don't want to be vaccinated are just being dicks.
I simultaneously feel very uncomfortable about vaccine passports while feeling like the vast majority of people who don’t want to be vaccinated are just being dicks.
Its an interesting conflict. Do we risk those who can't be vaccinated to protect the rights of dicks to be dicks?
Reports in the news this morning - well a couple of newspapers - is that it’s been leaked that England measures will maximise at mandatory face masks in all locations and working from home orders over the winter if it’s needed. No lockdowns, everything open with stadia and social events needing vaccine passports.
. Do we risk those who can’t be vaccinated to protect the rights of dicks to be dicks?
Likewise conflicted, I'm fully supportive of vaccines but would draw the line at forcing people to have them. I don't think it unreasonable though for people to be forced to live with consequences of their decisions. Where I am more concerned is the mandatory vaccination of care home workers, fully understand why and to be honest everyone I've seen interviewed on the telly seems to fall firmly into the dick camp, should people lose their jobs over something so fundamental, deciding what goes into your body, we have legislation protecting people who hold much more mental optional views (i.e. the religious) that would protect employment rights.
Its an interesting conflict. Do we risk those who can’t be vaccinated
In the case I sited it's more to do with the remote and dangerous nature of the work.
There has already been one case I'm aware of in limited exposure where an installation was put at serious risk by a covid outbreak and it wasn't the covid that was the risk But the covid medivaccing caused the resultant hazard . So yeah you have a right not to be vax but in doing so you lose your right to work in remote and risk critical locations. Sounds fair to me tbh.
Am I right in thinking that being double jabbed, and a recent case of Delta, my protection is pretty good, both personally & in terms of onward transmission ?
I do wonder if there is a plan to boost the nations immunity this way before winter?
Where I am more concerned is the mandatory vaccination of care home workers,
It's not mandatory, you have a choice not to work in that sector. Same as you can't join the army on the proviso you don't have to do any of that nasty marching, or be a teacher as long as you don't have to mix with children.
On the inners uplift today and the organisers are having a real problem with some Geordies who somehow don't think they should be wearing a mask on the uplift bus🙄
Am I right in thinking that being double jabbed, and a recent case of Delta,
About as good a protection as you are going to get! Natural booster.
Cases are currently doubling at about every 1-2 months and will likely speed up a little with schools opening. Admissions are still following at 33% of what they were with alpha in January. That’s your real world current vaccine efficacy. Deaths are down by 90%. But they aren’t zero.
Based on about two doublings, post half-term could be interesting. It’s slow growth but it is still growth. Slow exponential always looks linear at the start. It will be more interesting to see what RSV and influenza do. Whether they can squeeze into the population. Displacing delta looks a challenge since it spreads much more easily than flu.
@kelvin just a comment, but the reason we have mRNA vaccines at all was specifically for cancer. There has been years and years of development for producing proteins that are found on the surface of cancer cells to immunise and target an immune attack on those cells.
There’s a reason why Moderna’s former chief medical officer, (and my friend and former colleague) Tao Zaks, who I worked with on a few projects, is an oncologist not an infectious disease physician. Now he’s a third of the way to being a billionaire.
it’s been leaked that England measures will maximise at mandatory face masks in all locations and working from home orders over the winter if it’s needed. No lockdowns, everything open with stadia and social events needing vaccine passports.
Always nice to see decisions being made in advance of any facts or data 😟
Always nice to see decisions being made in advance of any facts or data
C'mon now, you know full well its tested on public opinion first 😀
Always nice to see decisions being made in advance of any facts or data
It sounds like a plan, rather than a decision. The decision will come when the data and cost hits home, not before. You’d be concerned if they weren’t looking at plans at this stage, given the last 18 months, no? It’s not a very good plan though, is it. Those measures are what we need to stop us getting to very high prevalence and the effects of that, they are not going to get the genie back in the bottle once we’re already in a hole (of our own making). Of course, they could have other plans and are leaking this one as it’s their preferred one, and are hoping to avoid resorting to other measures as part of more difficult to implement plans.
but the reason we have mRNA vaccines at all was specifically for cancer
Yes, I did know that, but only because of the media coverage given to this field due to the pandemic. I’d never even heard of mRNA before it, despite the long history.
Last week an Marr a minister explained why a green card type system was “the best way” to keep the nighttime entertainment sector in business this winter. This morning on Marr, 7 days later, another minister (the one whose every announcement on the pandemic seems to be “do nothing”) announced that it’s not going to be happening in England, and instead we’re going to… > wave hands around <
I'm quite happy to see vaccine passports abandoned TBH, I don't know what the answer is but it feels like a step too far and was massive fodder for the conspiracy theorists.
I'm double jabbed and have had Covid so I'm basically invincible now anyway 😛
Why “a step to far”? Seems vastly preferable to hanging the threat of closure over businesses this winter.
You can almost guarantee that the vaccine passport idea will get dropped mainly because they haven't been arsed to do any preparation for the possibility, and now are too late to implement it.
Which I suppose is an improvement over not doing the prep but then implementing it anyway in a disastrous way, with £££ in public money going to Crapita/Serco.
Their position has changed in the last week because the polls have dropped for the Tories, and their previous approach was unpopular. The question is… what’s the new alternative plan that’s better than what they described last week as the “best way” to keep the nighttime economy fully open and not losing money this winter? Remember, furlough and all other help for this sector and the workers in it ends completely around about now.
VAT reduction for the sector ends 30th September.
Furlough ends 30th September.
Universal Credit uplift ends 6th October.
What’s the plan for keeping this sector open at capacity to stay in business through this winter?
A psychologist welcoming the abandonment of “vaccine passports”, but asking the right questions… (check the whole Twitter thread)… will chime with most people as they consider the move I suspect…
https://twitter.com/reicherstephen/status/1437019325601288195?s=21
He’s not just a random…
https://twitter.com/reicherstephen/status/1437020956313141251?s=21
You can almost guarantee that the vaccine passport idea will get dropped mainly because they haven’t been arsed to do any preparation for the possibility, and now are too late to implement it.
I suspect that the usual car crash lack of preparedness, on top and of the antimask backbenchers have seen the vaccine passport plan ditched
I know a lot have clubs have been getting prepared for them though, so that's money wasted., what's the betting they'll u-turn again!?
I’m double jabbed and have had Covid so I’m basically invincible now anyway 😛
And tough shit on anyone you might infect who isn't?
A step too far as in undermining confidence in vaccines/vaccination generally amongst young people and fuelling conspiracy theories I suppose.
And tough shit on anyone you might infect who isn’t?
Eh? Not sure where you're getting that from. What else am I supposed to be doing exactly?
Speaking of the infected. Spent 6 hours in a car on Saturday with someone that's just tested positive.
Dont fancy my chances 🤨🤷♂️
You might be ok, our 6yr old started coughing over the weekend and has given a +ve lft this morning, wife is negative and i will do one in a bit. Doesn't seem to be a given that you will catch it esp if jabbed
We need to get kids jabbed asap.
My 14 yr old just tested positive last night. Prob caught it at the fair where it doesnt take a genius to see hundreds of kids all screaming and shouting at each other is going to lead to high transmission.
My older daughter has been jabbed as have bkth of us so it will be interesting to see whether we catch it.
Dont understand what they are waiting for. Either you have some kind of normal life with max vax or you keep social distance.
Dont fancy my chances
We had 14 days in close proximity to Jnr and none of us caught it, jabbed or unjabbed. It seems to be increasingly random, or vaccines are restricting how easily it gets passed on?
Dont understand what they are waiting for.
Stocks of Pfizer or Moderna... and balancing up how to use it (kids or boosters).
There have been zero vaccination shifts available with my trust since mid July. I wish they would just say "we are waiting for vaccine" instead of pretending any delay is for medical reasons.
I wish they would just say “we are waiting for vaccine” instead of pretending any delay is for medical reasons.
But the vaccine procurement is the one thing the government got right. To admit that we have totally understandable delays in getting vaccines is a political non-starter. We just have to accept that, and read between the lines. My only worry is that parents will be put off by the "will they won't they" stories, especially those not aware that all comparable countries cracked on with vaccinating teens over the summer break, when we didn't have the supplies to do so here.
12yr old vaccinations were always coming
And Johnson showing standard of leadership we've come to expect on vax passports
https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1437374925921267727?s=19
Schrodinger's Covid Passport?
Unless I'm misreading this, this is an astounding success. Why is not having the vaccine even a debate for the majority of the population?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-58545548
Out of more than 51,000 Covid deaths in England between January and July 2021, only 256 occurred after two doses.They were mostly people at very high risk from illness from Covid-19
I agree. I saw that story and thought what a resounding success.
That’s a phenomenal stat!
Unless I’m misreading this, this is an astounding success.
I’m all for vaccines, but it nowhere near as impressive as it sounds when you think about the details.
The vast majority of those 51k deaths would have occurred in January or February when there were very low numbers that were double jabbed and had the time to build immunity, so you can’t really draw too many conclusions.
Very good point, thanks.
The vast majority of those 51k deaths would have occurred in January or February when there were very low numbers that were double jabbed and had the time to build immunity, so you can’t really draw too many conclusions.
That’s entirely the point, isn’t it? Without the vaccination rollout over the last 10 months, people would probably be dying at rates similar to January right now.
The text doesn't match with the numbers in the graphic.
Rubbish journalism?
From the ONS:
In England, between 2 January and 2 July 2021, there were 51,281 deaths involving coronavirus (COVID-19); 640 occurred in people who were fully vaccinated, which includes people who had been infected before they were vaccinated.
…we define a "breakthrough death" as a death involving COVID-19 that occurred in someone who had received both vaccine doses and had a first positive PCR test at least 14 days after the second vaccination dose; in total, there were 256 breakthrough deaths between 2 January and 2 July 2021.
Mates stag weekend
6 out of 8 have come dowm with covid, despite all 8 being double jabbed months ago
Close proximity with time in mini buses, hotels and taxis etc
He's ok witj flu like symptoms for 72hrs then signs of improvement
He reckons one person had it and all claimed to have done a latetal flow test 24hrs prior to the weekend
Think im going to be wearing my face mask and using hand gel for a while yet
Can we talk about kids vaccinations? It looks as though I’ll shortly have to make a decision to vaccinate my 12yo or not. Is there any links or stats to the “rare” heart problems that have been found? I’d like to make an informed decision.
As above regardless of the actual numbers the percentage of dying is small, making the percentage of double-vacc deaths within absolutely tiny. If that doesn’t convince people to have the vaccine I don’t know what does!
Oh and, Johnson Valance and Whitty are presenting the Winter plan today, although not sure if Boris will send Javid considering the sad passing of his mother. I wonder what we’ll see.
Local NHS has stopped all staff nights out after an emergency dept hen night wiped out the dept.
Visiting now stopped too in all but essential cases, and non essential surgery canned.
And I go down south and folk ain't even wearing masks, ****in mental. Sorry but a stag weekend in a minibus is utterly bonkers.
Is there any decent evidence yet of effect on transmission of delta from fully vaccinated folks? I remember around early summer studies were saying there was a 50% reduction in transmission of Kent variant, but not seen anything on delta?.
