Barnard Castle Eye Test
Nsw delta transmission sites:
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/case-locations-and-alerts.aspx
And
It’s basically anywhere that’s still open!
The concern is that the suburbs currently bearing the brunt of it have a higher number of people per household and are less likely to be able to work from home - so increased transmission both domestically, and seeding to other areas
The concern is that the suburbs currently bearing the brunt of it have a higher number of people per household and are less likely to be able to work from home – so increased transmission both domestically, and seeding to other areas
Sounds very similar to the UK issues around poorer/higher density population centres then.
Hope things turn in the right direction for you
This isn’t going away
Indeed ... anxiety will kill alot of folks on this thread long before covid will
As someone who deals with anxiety I have basically accepted at some point I'll get covid and when I do it's likely that I won't get that Ill. I'll probably get it sooner if they get rid of all measures to stop spread, but even if they didn't itll only be a matter of time.
I'm not going to go out my way to get it or put myself in high risk situations, but accepting I'll get it eventually means I can get on with my life to some extent.
As someone who deals with anxiety I have basically accepted at some point I’ll get covid and when I do it’s likely that I won’t get that Ill. I’ll probably get it sooner if they get rid of all measures to stop spread, but even if they didn’t itll only be a matter of time.
I’m not going to go out my way to get it or put myself in high risk situations, but accepting I’ll get it eventually means I can get on with my life to some extent.
Very much my view, a kind of defeated resignation and keeps my anxiety under a veneer of control.
Last night was the first club TT where riders could be held at the start again. I was pleased to be allocated a distant junction to marshall instead
^ that’s very much my attitude now too: had my second jab yesterday, and feel noticeably less anxious about the whole thing
The French government have got it bang on IMHO when it comes to the anti-vax/flat-earthers
https://twitter.com/gardenjardinage/status/1417705360538800129?s=20
Of course there's absolutely no chance of a similar attitude over here where the overgrown gammon toddlers must have their right to do whatever they damn well like endlessly pandered too
Back in lockdown by 30th September latest.
Unlikely – little political desire, ruinous to the economy & even less acceptable to the country as a whole.
Which is why this 'government' will put off reimposing necessary interim measures until it becomes impossible to ignore. By which time any measure other than a lockdown is too little too late.
It is literally the story of this 'government' and its incompetent handling of this pandemic. Pretty much the worst of all worlds.
going by the traffic out and about seems everybody knows there's another lockdown on the way... so make hay while the sun shines.
Also tpbiker +1
As an asthmatic cyclist with and immune compromised wife and hypoglycaemic daughter I can’t help worry, but life has to go on, on the basis there’s a chance anyone could die early from something.
I can’t help fighting against that thought on the basis that’s what the government wants you to think though.
@stevemuzzy @reluctantjumper and others, sounds like the numbers of double vacinated getting it on here aren't unrepresentative of the expected numbers then. I was a bit surprised about how many double vaccinated popele were posting with covid, but I guess you aren't going to post up saying I'm double vaccinated and feel fine!
@tpbiker same here - i still find some situations give me a bit of anxiety, but so long as am careful I feel its the best i can do
<h1 class="gem-c-title__text govuk-heading-xl">JCVI statement on COVID-19 vaccination of children and young people aged 12 to 17 years: 15 July 2021</h1>
TLDR: Minimal benefit to children, unknowns re safety for rare complications, will re-review as more data becomes available
the thing that has really surprised me over the last couple of days are all those folk who were wearing a mask but obviously didn't want to, now they don't have to, BUT are still wearing one BUT STILL as a chin guard or under their noses...
Really gives you an insight into the minds of some of our fellow citizens...
I was a bit surprised about how many double vaccinated popele were posting with covid, but I guess you aren’t going to post up saying I’m double vaccinated and feel fine!
Apart from the rare person that dares to come and post anti vax stuff (or the same person with multiple logins), and a few of the younger members like me and Joepud I think, pretty much every stwforum user in Europe is going to be double jabbed.
I would say theres been more "kid brought it home from school, but I feel fine" posts than "I'm so ill" type posts.
I was just popping in to say exactly the same thing as Nickc - I can't see any difference in the number of people wearing masks (incorrectly or otherwise) since Monday round here.
And for the other point, me and Mrs are double-jabbers, our daughter has covid now and has sneezed etc. at us, however, so far , neither of us have had a positive test or symptoms.
Just been to Sainsburys Chester and the percentage of customers wearing masks was higher than the staff. Out of the 4 checkout operators around me only 1 had a mask on.
Minimal benefit to children
More effective than any flu vaccine. Basically eradicated serious illness in the teens in the Trials. I've been won over to TiRed's view that the UK/England decision is all about availability. Better to use what Pfizer we have on adults. Talk about kids when we have more. Don't tell the public that though, or they'll wonder why the government is happy to infect as many kids as possible while we wait for more doses.
Well, that went well...I'm a t PM at a Manchester GP surgery and although our relaxation of the precautions was pretty limited, we've had so many patients in with symptoms or have lied to get seen ,we're shutting our doors and going back to phone appoints only again...
Not sure it's quite that clear cut. It's true that we're nearly through (or rather have accounted for) the first supply of phizer on adults 18-40 but more is on order.
25 kids died of covid last year in this country which of course is dreadful for those involved but against a total of 150k cannot by any measure be considered a large number. Their chances of long covid effects are much lower than an adults.
Although very effective there have been side effects seen in measurable numbers in those so far vaccinated overseas.
While I see the societal demand might be there would you be willing to sacrifice your child to suffer possible long term effects?
I don't have kids and I'd like to see them vaccinated but I wouldn't have said it was a straightforward choice. YMMV.
And for the other point, me and Mrs are double-jabbers, our daughter has covid now and has sneezed etc. at us, however, so far , neither of us have had a positive test or symptoms.
I have two similar experiences. My Mother in law (double jabbed) spent a day in an office with someone who returned a positive covid result the next day she isolated for 10 days and neither her, my father or sister in-law returned a single positive lateral flow in 10 days of isolation. Also mates boss brought his kid into the office who also got covid my best mate and his girlfriend also returned negative lateral flow and PCRs for the next 10 days.
Overal I think the jab is doing a job in limiting transmission.
also joining double jab gang on Friday can't bloody wait. First jab limited impact just a dead arm hoping for the same next time.
Which is why this ‘government’ will put off reimposing necessary interim measures until it becomes impossible to ignore. By which time any measure other than a lockdown is too little too late.
They wouldn't be that stupid again, would they?
Out of the 4 checkout operators around me only 1 had a mask on.
We're they behind screens?
Were they behind screens?
Kind of. But still pointing directly at me with no screen protection when handing over the til receipt, plus they angle towards you when scanning certain items and pushing it through.
Ive not been into many shops, but the ones I have staff compliance is low.
Nearly all my local shops/pubs/cafes have continued to mandate masks.
would you be willing to sacrifice your child to suffer possible long term effects?
No, which is why I would rather vaccinate them than have them deal with an infection first.
The argument for prioritising based on risk is sound, and coming down through the age groups (with some conditions resulting in earlier action) has also been shown to be sound. But once all adults, and the most at risk teens, have had the opportunity to be vaccinated, the offer should be made to all teens. An offer, not an obligation.
They wouldn’t be that stupid again, would they?
Well......
My girlfriend had been double vaccinated.
She has just finished isolating for 2 1/2 weeks with both her kids after her daughter then son both got Covid-19. Both were symptomatic, but she tested negative on lateral flow tests which she was doing every other day and with 2 PCR tests.
They wouldn’t be that stupid again, would they?
I'm not sure what odds the bookies would give me, but I know what I'd be putting my money on
Nervous to add something to this thread, but wanted to test an opinion.
If we take Scotland as an Analogue of the UK - things are actually looking OK, no?
We had a huge scary spike in cases ahead of England, we thought 'oh crap', but now, without a lockdown (critical fact), cases are on teh way back down again at a pretty rapid rate. I think thats a first?
Also, hosp admissions and deaths only went up 'a bit', and now seemed to have levelled off at a very low level.
Again, without a lockdown - so that is great news, isn't it?
Hopefully this trend will be replicated in England too.
We had a huge scary spike in cases ahead of England, we thought ‘oh crap’, but now, without a lockdown (critical fact), cases are on teh way back down again at a pretty rapid rate. I think thats a first?
Is the the "school kids not testing" effect? Watching the travelling tabby site I have two observations:
a) Cases in England seem to be levelling off over the last few days
b) The daily geographical show cases increase levels (ever darker red) has "moved" from North West, to East, to South. Does this mean that Delta as a wave has moved around to infect-able people and perhaps over the next couple of weeks it faces an issue whereby there's not one left to infect?
And just an aside; Jnrs Swimming club have announced they be keeping restrictions; No observers at poolside, temperature testing, Negative LFT, distancing, masks and sanitising as far as possible. They've been clear that if you object, feel free to miss the sessions.
Re Scotland as said above its schools / unis that are a major transmitter. Wait till the end of august. Also wait till beta comes along with its high strike rate against the AZ vaccine. This isn’t over for a while yet
Is the the “school kids not testing” effect?
Percentage of positive tests is reducing.
Hospitalisations and deaths are starting to level out and drop off.
I don't think "school kids not testing" would impact any of those three numbers.
I don’t think “school kids not testing” would impact any of those three numbers.
Of course it would. The vast majority of new cases are young people. Most are asymptomatic so won't test unless it's routine testing.
Percentage of positive tests is reducing.
Hospitalisations and deaths are starting to level out and drop off.
Are they? The graphs of current cases, hospital admissions, and deaths are all still rising.
Have a look here:
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
Regarding the UK geographical data, now lots of purple 400+ per 100k south of the Scottish border without zooming in.
However, not that much yet in Wales (besides Denbighshire) or south west England... Prime holibobs areas besides Scotland now the school kids are breaking up for summer.
Prime holibobs areas
“We’re on holiday, of course we’re not wearing masks. Now, four pasties please…”
Cases falling. Hospitalisations and Deaths flattening/falling
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Number of tests reducing slightly but not in line with fall in cases.
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Percentage of positive tests falling
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big_scot_nanny
We are still under greater restrictions here and were 4 weeks ago were we not?
My impression is compliance is better as well but that could be very regional or mistaken.
We didn't have the euros super spreader event
Been watching Rossendale very closely, cos i live there, was 2nd on the list for case rates at one point. I don't think we've come down a lot since then, maybe slightly, it's more a case that cases in the north east are going up a lot faster and the rates higher. We saw something similar in the Winter, north west was bad to start with while London partied and then promptly doubled down and trumped our rates.
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
This shows everything still rising. Are your graphs just a specific area of the UK?
The testing centre i went to in stirling was rammed. Scottish schools been off for a couple of weeks and I fear in a few days it will look very bad indeed as people, like me, return from holiday having picked it up from crowded places.
I visited centre parcs twice during restrictions, first time was very strict and felt safe. This time no strictness at all and i didnt.
Suspect many other places will be similar.
This shows everything still rising. Are your graphs just a specific area of the UK?
The comment you replied to was discussing the rates in Scotland. The graphs I copied are the Scottish data.
Ah I see. Let's hope the rest of the UK follows what Scotland is doing then.
Also wait till beta comes along with its high strike rate against the AZ vaccine
Beta failed to take hold with the Alpha running rampant we had some cases but it didn't go far, it'll lose very easily against Delta. It's not as transmissible.
Ah I see. Let’s hope the rest of the UK follows what Scotland is doing then.
Unfortunately not. England has chosen a different path
I've hid from this thread mainly because of disappointment of the people I know
Daughter and partner refusing to get jabbed mid 20s
Mother in law refusing.
Friends saying they have been jabbed and now panicking with the digital passport coming (so clearly lying)
A friend who is very clever telling his work colleges to delete the app so he can manage work/staff.
People I know deliberately trying to get pinged for a week off work.
Add to that watching the T20 on tv last night. I'm feeling a little twitchy.
Cheer me up
Cheer me up
This is the most negative place ever. If you want cheering up don't visit this thread.
Its not all doom and gloom..as has been pointed out scotland has not self destructed like I assumed it would 4 weeks ago, and England rates were down again today. And even if you do get it you'll probably feel shit for a week or 2 at worst if you have had a couple of jabs
