When supplies increase? Personally I think that there is enough evidence to show the age-driven spread, to make non-vaccination nuts.
So I concur.
The sooner we vaccinate the adolescents, the better.
This. They are waiting for it. No encouragement needed. Government should give them (and their parents) the choice now.
When supplies increase?
We are already at the point where supplies are being binned. Uptake of first jabs is falling right off. Second jabs brought forward sooner and sooner (18 year olds given 2nd jab at 4+weeks to try and make use of surplus at vaccination centres at the end of shifts). 16 and 17 year olds could be offered their first jab now. 14 and 15 in September.
My 12 year old daughter and 15 year old son got their first jab Last friday in France. Lots are doing it.
So Boris isn't isolating even though he's been pinged, great - it's a free for all everyone, do what ever you want!
Just got a message from my brother. He and his son have tested positive, thankfully very minor symptoms. He thinks his son picked it up at the Euro semi-final.
On a different note, saw a friend yesterday with cancer. He's waiting to have his stem cells removed, cultured and replaced. Pressure on hospitals hasn't stopped his treatment yet but it's a worry.
Johnson and Sunak not bothering to isolate, but suddenly invented a new pilot which means they should isolate when not in work but do daily tests.
Make it up as they go along. Set of bastards.
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he sooner we vaccinate the adolescents, the better."This. They are waiting for it. No encouragement needed.
I hope they're more willing than the 18 year olds I have vaccinated - complete lack of enthusiasm and care for yothwrs from that age group as I could see.
And as for using "spare vaccine" at the end of the day this is not really a thing.
Well before the end of the day the numbers are looked at very carefully and only enough vaccine is defrosted/reconstituted to cover the bookings.
It gets to the point where we are sharing a vial (5 or 6 doses max of Pfizer) between numerous vaccinators.
There's almost zero waste.
Just been emailed by school to say it's closed due to covid
Waiting to see if we have to isolate and our camping trip to Somerset (& southern enduro Champs) ruined next week
I honestly don't think they could have done anything more insulting to the entire country than this
Emailed my MP, managed not to be sweary
I hope they’re more willing than the 18 year olds I have vaccinated
If they were being vaccinated, were they not willing volunteers to be vaccinated?
And as for using “spare vaccine” at the end of the day this is not really a thing.
It absolutely is a “thing”, that it is not happening where you are is very good news, but trust me, it is happening at multiple vaccination centres locally here. When no shows are greater than predicted it is unavoidable unless the drumming up of people to take the excess is successful.
But anyway, even if successfully preventing all wastage, my point was that demand from those eligible has been dropping off for while now (freedom day is coming, why bother) so the availability is there to offer 16 and 17 year olds their first jab now. 14 & 15 years olds could be told there opportunity will come in September. Knowing that vaccinations are going to be available will also effect behaviour… why try hard to avoid catching the virus if the government look to be denying you vaccination? Everyone should be offered the opportunity to gain protection from vaccination rather than catching the virus, and the return to classrooms in September would be eased by doing so for under 18 teens ASAP.
Our trip to Somerset next week is now canned. Brother in law, had the vaccine early as in the armed forces, now has COVID. Sis and little niece negative at the mo. Parents are vulnerable and they saw them in the week, so fingers crossed. No freedom for us next week then 🙄
Johnson and Sunak not bothering to isolate, but suddenly invented a new pilot which means they should isolate when not in work but do daily tests.
Make it up as they go along. Set of bastards.
BBC just announced they are now isolating. Damage will have already been done though.
There’s nothing like consistent and clear messaging and leadership…
Johnson and Sunak just realised that not isolating might go down a little bad badly...
https://news.sky.com/story/pm-and-sunak-not-isolating-despite-being-pinged-after-javids-positive-covid-test-12358198
Hope all the tories who have been defending not isolating all morning feel a little bit stupid now.
And it looks like the pilot trial that the Gov said included TFL and Boarder Force wasn't even up and running for anyone else.
From the BBC link above
"Meanwhile, Transport for London - one of the organisations also involved in the pilot according to the government - said it was "still waiting for formal notification that we are part of this trial"
Double-jabbed friend of a friend currently in hospital on oxygen and blood thinners.
This is going to be an almighty **** up.
There’s nothing like consistent and clear messaging and leadership…
and this is nothing like clear consistent messaging and leadership
and this is nothing like clear consistent messaging and leadership
Thank you.
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Locally (Lancs) they are vaccinating any 16-17 Yr olds that turn up to the appropriate walk in sessions - this has been going on for the last month or so. I'm figuring this is pretty fair as all over 18s have lots of other options for how they can book and where they can go for a jab.
There will be a u-turn on that by October half term is my prediction
Given the mess this morning I would say it will be sooner than that!
Locally (Lancs) they are vaccinating any 16-17 Yr olds that turn up to the appropriate walk in sessions – this has been going on for the last month or so.
I’ve heard that before. Any evidence that it’s actually happening though?
Given the mess this morning I would say it will be sooner than that!
2 u-turns, a reverse ferret and a backtrack by Wednesday lunchtime
Bojo only "briefly considered not self isolating"
Aye, cos you u turned so fast
Kelvin - Yes plenty of first hand evidence.
Lad got done this morning. Lots of his friends have been done all 16-17. They did a big wave of walk-in sessions 3-4 weeks ago and we know others who were done then (and they were told "tell you friends"). Just a bit frustrating it hasn't been officially rolled out.
To be honest I've been pretty impressed with the local setup from the start. My dad got one of the early Pfizer jabs in December - they were actively looking for any over 80s attending routine hospital clinics and booking them slots for vaccine at the same time. Did mum whilst she was with him so no extra trips / minimised risk. Late teen lad also got called up by GP in spring (minor at risk group).
That’s great news. We need this rolled out UK wide… the politicians need to play catch-up.
I presume it is partly based on availability of appropriate vaccines. But to be honest over 18s have had at least 6 weeks to get sorted so it is time to open to the next small additional group. This is a cohort that has been pretty neglected by schools and then colleges so it is about time they got something to help pick up their lives.
Will try and get my daughter done this week then, we are in lancs, she's 17 Aug 1st and desperate for her jabs even though she's already had a mild covid dose (rough for a week but no lasting side effects).
Double-jabbed friend of a friend currently in hospital on oxygen and blood thinners.
This is going to be an almighty **** u
I heard from a friend at home who is good mates with a consultant in Belfast. Some of the worst cases they have had this wave are all in their 20's and double jabbed.
Just Google your local walk in sessions that are doing first dose Pfizer and then queue up / see what they say at sign in. We sent him with NHS number and some photo id (over 16 so no parent required).
My conscience is clear, I certainly did not vote Conservative. Saying the Government should be more supportive to certain sections of society, doesn't pay the bills. We are certainly not all in this together. I know of several people looking forward to the next lockdown or period of self-isolation as it is regarded as an extra paid holiday. I feel as though I'm currently walking a tightrope, as I obviously have to work but in doing so will alomost certainly at some point be asked to self-isolate again which is another 10 days of no income.
And it looks like the pilot trial that the Gov said included TFL and Boarder Force wasn’t even up and running for anyone else.
My employer is one of the 20 or so who are part of the pilot, and it is up and running. We know people who have taken it up - it allows them to go to work provided that they take regular LFTs, and isolate at home the rest of the time. Still, I agree that it doesn’t set a good example if govt ministers avoid the self isolation issues that most face....
And as for using “spare vaccine” at the end of the day this is not really a thing.
Well before the end of the day the numbers are looked at very carefully and only enough vaccine is defrosted/reconstituted to cover the bookings.
It gets to the point where we are sharing a vial (5 or 6 doses max of Pfizer) between numerous vaccinators.
There’s almost zero waste.
I had my second dose (Pfizer) today and was booked in at end of the session, they were phoning me when I was on my way to make sure I was coming and when I got there they explained they had held my dose back as it was the last Pfizer dose they had allocated. Some walk up people turned up after me and got told to come back tomorrow as they wouldn't open a new batch without certainty that there would be no wastage.
I think the new Amber+ category they invented for france will be the next u-turn
Its very quickly looking like the "pilot scheme" was the Gov get out of jail free card.
Now used up.
I heard from a friend at home who is good mates with a consultant in Belfast. Some of the worst cases they have had this wave are all in their 20’s and double jabbed.
Was Belfast significantly ahead of England on vaccinations? To have two jabs, plus two weeks, then get COVID, then get hospitalised; and it’s being talked about in the past tense?
They are either healthcare workers or in a significant risk group I would think?
Under 30s were getting first jab 2 months ago in NI.
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I think the new Amber+ category they invented for france will be the next u-turnSomeone suggested a very plausible theory that it was to do with preventing border check overload - there may be something in that. I sure as hell would not trust their 'real' reasons.
Its very quickly looking like the “pilot scheme” was the Gov get out of jail free card.
Now used up.
Gove must be laughing his arse of as he got away with it a couple of weeks ago
So the actual Beta hotspots in French territorirs areny included 😳
Got an antibody test this weekend - no antibodies left after getting COVID 7.5 months ago!! And having had long COVID all that time too. Shows how easy it could be to get it again. Counting down the days to my second jab.
Interesting time to steepen the curve by opening up even more.
In the wave that started in September there was a lockdown that started on 5th November.
On the graph below, that aligns with 18th July ( today ) of this new wave.
The decisions by government could not be any different !
I despair basically.
Greetings from the antipodes!
Errrr - bit of an update since we last spoke:
The one case that slipped through quarantine a few weeks ago has now spread to an all-out outbreak.
We are averaging about 100ish new cases a day at the moment (in NSW/Sydney) - with the track and trace teams going like the clappers to try to test and isolate people before they become infectious. They are doing a great job, and managing to catch 70-80% of people before they can infect anyone else - but it's not proving to be enough. We've had now 3 or 4 deaths in the past couple of weeks - bare in mind that our last previous death was Oct 2020.
So we started with a lockdown of just the impacted suburbs, then we expanded to the whole of greater Sydney being in lockdown. Lockdown here in a relatively loose sense: "please stay at home - work from home unless you really can".
That's now been tightened-up: all non-essential shops to close, anybody found going to work when they could work from home to be fined $10,000 (well, their boss will), all building and construction work to stop, no tradesmen allowed in homes (except in an emergency). In top of that, the 3 suburbs that are particularly impacted - basically nobody is allowed in/out unless you are a healthcare worker. All schools are closed.
People are FINALLY beginning to understand here: the only way out of this is vaccination. I've posted before about the vaccine hesitancy in Australia - it's basically down to two things:
No meaningful impact of covid for the last 12-18 months for most people (except Melbourne) - so no real motivation for people to get jabbed. That's certainly changing.
The #strollout of the vaccination program here coincided (because of supply restrictions) with the reporting about clotting issues with the AZ vaccine. This has led to large numbers of the over 60s continuing to refuse to get vaccinated - feeling like they are being given the "less safe" AZ vaccine over the pfizer one. The government here basically did nothing to counter these stories - and there is now the ridiculous situation whereby boomers are refusing to have the AZ vaccine because they believe it to be more dangerous that getting covid. Everybody wants the Pfizer vaccine, and there is simply not enough for everyone to get it. The vaccine situation is a shit-show... and the federal government (who are responsible for it) are getting an absolute pounding.
But praise the lord: Childcare centers remain open (I have 2 kids in childcare), and I am getting my second pfizer jab tomorrow.
In better news (for us Aussies, worse for you):
Katie Hopkins is in Hotel Quarantine in Sydney - but is being deported back to blighty "at the earliest possible opportunity"
Apparently she was due to go on some sort of big brother/apprentice reunion show or something, but she couldn't help herself and started tweeting a load of anti-lockdown, anti-mask, covid conspiracy nonsense.... which people noticed and asked: "Who the hell gave this rancid person a visa?!?"
Just drop her off in international waters, would be my suggestion.
