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 mrmo
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about to move and thought i would take the opportunity to bin a few things.

Logical thing i thought would be go to the council website to find the opening hours of the local tip.

No wonder people fly tip, there is so little info and what there is is so hidden away, it is a joke!


 
Posted : 17/06/2010 9:15 pm
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yes, you're now fully justified in dumping your junk in the local beauty spot!


 
Posted : 17/06/2010 9:16 pm
 Goz
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A quick trip to Buckholt Rd, plenty of choice spots!


 
Posted : 17/06/2010 9:19 pm
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I took some car wheels % tyre to mine. They refused to take them. Good steel for recycling, but wouldn't have them with the tyres on.
Rather than flytip, I brought them back home and cut the tyres of with the angle grinder.
Wheels in the recycling wheely bin, tyres in the non-recyclable (had to cut the tyres up)
So council did take them in the end.
I don't understand.


 
Posted : 17/06/2010 9:20 pm
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The guy who works out a use for all old tyres would become incredibly rich.


 
Posted : 17/06/2010 9:26 pm
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Old tyres are used for all sorts. Carpet underlay, shoe soles, retreads, drainage...stuff.


 
Posted : 17/06/2010 10:25 pm
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The new concrete skatepark next to my house was built with loads of old tyres. Some nutter wrote to the local paper warning of the fire hazard.


 
Posted : 17/06/2010 10:46 pm
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I took some car wheels % tyre to mine. They refused to take them. Good steel for recycling, but wouldn't have them with the tyres on.
Rather than flytip, I brought them back home and cut the tyres of with the angle grinder.
Wheels in the recycling wheely bin, tyres in the non-recyclable (had to cut the tyres up)
So council did take them in the end.
I don't understand.

If they throw the rims with the tyres attached in the metal recycling skip, it'll contaminate the metal load. And tyres are supposed to be disposed of in their own waste stream rather than as general rubbish, aren't they? So no hubs in the tyre stream. Not sure if it was actually allowed for you to chuck tyres in with general wast, as it happens...

Course, it woulda helped if the council guy had explained what the problem was.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 4:46 am
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Name and shame the councils then - mine has superb facilities and does a pretty good job overall.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 4:55 am
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Easy to find on our councils website, considering its a large part of the council tax I would expect them to have a dedicated section of the website. Usually includes tips, streetcleaning, bin and recycling collections, dog bins, fly tipping reports etc etc.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 5:39 am
 mrmo
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I am not going to flytip it, just shocked how difficult Cheltenham Borough Council have made it to get the opening hours. The only thing i can find is a phone number, so rather than state on a page it is 9-5 or whatever they expect me to ring someone, wasting their time. I assume a person is employed to do a job and answers the phone when they can and are not just sitting there all day waiting for people to ring up and ask what the opening hours are.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 5:51 am
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Its not the best website in theworld to navigate but a few clicks gave me

Recycling centre - outline

The recycling centre can accept a wide variety of items.
Opening hours

* Monday to Friday - 7.30am-7.30pm (summer time) and 7.30am-6.30pm (winter time)
* Saturdays - 7.30am-4.00pm
* Sundays and bank holidays - 9.00am-1.00pm


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 6:03 am
 mrmo
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TJ took long enough to find that but i am after the details for Wingmoor rather than the Swindon Rd site.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 6:12 am
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Wingmoor Farm, Nr Bishops Cleeve

Half mile west of Bishop’s Cleeve on the road to Stoke Orchard.

Open 7 days a week (except Christmas Day and New Year's Day)

* Opening hours: 9am – 6:15pm all year round

If you have any queries please contact the Household Recycling Centre Helpline on 01242 680 010


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 6:20 am
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All of our Household Recycling Centres open from 9.00 - 18.15 all year round seven days a week, except Chirstmas Day

and New Years Day.

Please contact the Swindon Road HRC help line on (01242) 264 244 to get details of their opening times.

took me 20 seconds to find this?

what is the point eh?


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 6:20 am
 aP
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It's run by Gloucestershire County Council so nothing to do with Cheltenham Borough Council.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 6:47 am
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[s]No wonder people fly tip, there is so little info and what there is is so hidden away, it is a joke![/s]
There's absolutely no excuse for fly-tipping, as all the information you need is readily available using a few simple searches on the internet.

There. Fixed that for you 🙂


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 6:59 am
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Bradford & Leeds tips are fantastic in terms of recycling and opening times. Council websites are crap though


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 7:03 am
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I've never really been to a Council tip before but its really quick -in and out. There are huge square holes in a metal wall with the symbols on for various items. So I pulled back the rubber partitioning to have a look- 30ft drop with a huge digger running the length of a concrete football pitch scooping up as people dropped from various places and depositing ALL in one big pile.
😕


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 7:09 am
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Our local tip is open until 6.30pm, 7 days a week. The guys working there tell you which bins to put your stuff in, and there's a noticeboard saying that they're achieving a 79% recycling rate. I think it's excellent.

And if you flytip, who do you think cleans it up? Something which we all end up paying for through council tax...


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 7:26 am
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While everyone is being helpful with finding things out - what are the rules in Southampton for taking stuff to the tip in my pick-up. There were no problems when I used the car but the pick up counts as a commercial vehicle. Does this make a difference and what permits or warrents do I need please?

PS anyone in Sountampton want a nearly knackered fridge freezer?


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 7:26 am
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Shouldn't be a problem BBB

[b][i]Height barrier

A height barrier (5ft 9"/ 1.75 metre) is in place to prevent misuse of the centre by trade vehicles. Please check your vehicle will be able to get under the barrier prior to visiting the site to avoid disappointment.

If you have a people carrier, 4 x 4 or transit type van it is unlikely you will be able to access the site except on Friday and Saturday morning, when the height barrier is up. Please note that transit vans and lorries will be checked by staff at the centre on these days to make sure the waste is not commercial.[/i][/b]


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 7:31 am
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Hora, I have to assume you are joking as that's a load of crap.

I inspect HWS's as part of my job and I can assure that this does not happen. They are the best waste sites, uncannily good at recycling and sorting and doing the best they can with all the crap no one else wants. That's my experience in the West Yorkshire region.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 7:46 am
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Islington services were great - had a huge new site built as part of the Highbury redevelopment. Only problem was that there was no pedestrian or bike access - bit of a bummer for the majority of residents that didn't have cars...

Edit: although I think they could call up to get a collection of bulk rubbish.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 7:52 am
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Thanks Uplink - You have got to love this site, any question answered at anytime.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 7:52 am
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I have complained about my local tip several times on here and have sent emails to my council on three occasions regarding the same issue.

Basically it is a big open square with the various recycling skips around all four sides so all the cars park in front of the skips/in the centre/wherever they can.

When the tip is empty you can *generally* find out where to dump your various rubbish as you can see the signs. However, the signs are propped up at floor level for approximately 50% of the skips, are missing from others and only a few have clearly visible signs once cars have pulled in. This means there are always cars parking/moving/stopping/reversing all over the car park as people really don't know where to put their rubbish. It is only a matter of time before someone is injured.

At least they have started accepting plastic (in the last year or so). Before it was a 15 mile drive to the nearest plastic recycling depot.

Ohh, and they haven't even had the good grace to answer any of my correspondence.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 8:22 am
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So basically you have complained because you can't see a massive sign of where you need to go from your car? Oh dear. It must be so stressful for you. I suppose you don't mind your council tax going up so they can upgrade the facilities?


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:02 am
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So basically you have complained because you can't see a massive sign of where you need to go from your car? Oh dear. It must be so stressful for you. I suppose you don't mind your council tax going up so they can upgrade the facilities?

Why are people on here often so factitious? The point I was making was that it creates a dangerous environment with cars moving around.
[b][i]This means there are always cars parking/moving/stopping/reversing all over the car park as people really don't know where to put their rubbish. It is only a matter of time before someone is injured.
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And of course it does have the added issue that people, unable to find the correct recycling skip, just dump into the nearest one they find themselves parked next to.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:10 am
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I'd consider any skip/tip environment a dangerous one really, and I rarely have only one type of rubbish to dump, so I need to move about all over the tip anyway. It makes more sense to do what my old one did, park one side, carry your rubbish to the appropriate skip.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:14 am
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[i]And if you flytip, who do you think cleans it up? [/i]
My next door neighbour, under council contract. So he's quite keen for you to carry on 🙂


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:20 am
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Cheltenham Borough Council

That was the first problem...

CBC is the waste collection authority (WCA) they only have responsibility for municipal waste collections i.e. from the kerbside.

Gloucestershire County Council as the Waste Disposal Authority - they are responsible to dealing with the waste collected.

GCC as the WDA is also required by the EPA 1990 to provide facilities for people to take waste to (known as the Civic Amenity Sites, the dump, the tip, Household Waste Recycling Centre etc)

CBC website tells you about this after a few clicks

details of Gloucestershire HWRC

http://www.recycleforgloucestershire.com/recycle/at_home/index.html

Click tab for HWRC
> http://www.recycleforgloucestershire.com/recycle/at_home/tewkesbury.html
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i design HWRC layouts as part of my job (not Gloucestershire ones though.... very hard to balance ease of access to bins, parking, access fro operator, h&s etc etc, queuing, speed in and out etc etc


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:25 am
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When I go rarely to the council recycling facility I just park up (like everyone else who goes there) and take whatever different bits I want to get rid of to the appropriate skip, its ever so easy and I don't see anyone else using the facility having any problem at all - but then I don't drive an audi.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:39 am
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When I go rarely to the council recycling facility I just park up (like everyone else who goes there) and take whatever different bits I want to get rid of to the appropriate skip, its ever so easy and I don't see anyone else using the facility having any problem at all - but then I don't drive an audi.

Good on you, you are truly a hero to environmentalists everywhere. 🙄


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:50 am
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When I go rarely to the council recycling facility I just park up (like everyone else who goes there) and take whatever different bits I want to get rid of to the appropriate skip, its ever so easy and I don't see anyone else using the facility having any problem at all - but then I don't drive an audi.

LOL!


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:53 am
 aP
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M_F - do you really feel the need to drive everywhere? How tedious.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:54 am
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There seems to be 3 options for waste -

1) Fly-tip
2) Tip
3) Sell at the market


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:56 am
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M_F - do you really feel the need to drive everywhere? How tedious.

I really don't know where you get the idea that I drive everywhere from.


 
Posted : 18/06/2010 11:59 am
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Hora, I have to assume you are joking as that's a load of crap.

I inspect HWS's as part of my job and I can assure that this does not happen. They are the best waste sites, uncannily good at recycling and sorting and doing the best they can with all the crap no one else wants. That's my experience in the West Yorkshire region.

Stretford recycling- just off Jct7? of the M60. Come and have a look/stick your head through when you hear the huge diggers motor up and running through the drop points.

I'm not joking. The only reason I can think why they'd do that? is if the individal containers to take away were full already or they were overloaded and have a backup measure to just clear asap then resort back to different piles etc later?


 
Posted : 19/06/2010 4:32 pm
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Our local council recycles our council tax to subsidise a football team to the tune of £110,000 pounds per year.


 
Posted : 19/06/2010 4:43 pm
 hora
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Which team? Why does a council need to do that?!

wonder if Private Eye would investigate that if you passed the tip on? 😉


 
Posted : 19/06/2010 4:51 pm
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Wirral, tranmere rovers,been in the papers this week


 
Posted : 19/06/2010 5:02 pm
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I've never really been to a Council tip before but its really quick -in and out. There are huge square holes in a metal wall with the symbols on for various items. So I pulled back the rubber partitioning to have a look- 30ft drop with a huge digger running the length of a concrete football pitch scooping up as people dropped from various places and depositing ALL in one big pile.

This does happen at some sites, particularity those co-located with Waste Transfer Stations and then older sites at that.

Often what actually happens is the shovel or grab bulks up the HWRC waste in to piles with the incoming WTS waste for shipping out..

or it is all bulked up for sorting elsewhere...

the key is if people split their waste at point of deposit it then can be either bulked by waste type (especially if recyclate prices are good) or of not bulk together for something else to be done to it, sorting, incineration, gasification, digestion etc etc.. if it is mixed to start with it is much harder to unmix

as an aside household waste stream tonnages is the smaller part of the uk's waste stream it is amazing it gets so much coverage....


 
Posted : 22/06/2010 1:10 pm
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The guy who works out a use for all old tyres would become incredibly rich.

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rammed earth tyres are the way forward for building homes in the future.


 
Posted : 22/06/2010 1:53 pm
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rammed earth tyres are the way forward for building homes in the future.

Are they? How many stories can you build? What kind of footprint do they need? Are they good for building or good for getting rid of tyres?


 
Posted : 22/06/2010 1:58 pm