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(check dailymail news yourself)

No thanks.  If it's a headline in the Daily Hate, it's probably a load of old cobblers.


 
Posted : 05/11/2022 7:52 pm
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More evidence of partisan activity in occupied Ukraine, this is the 'judge' who sentenced two British POWs to death.  I doubt many collaborators working for the Russian occupiers sleep easily at night.

https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1588950153439989762?s=20&t=V86IyKOpHoZpoGY7cv4Hag


 
Posted : 05/11/2022 8:07 pm
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AP are running an article on war crimes which seems to have some independent verification done to some degree, actual investigative journalism rather than a recycled story.

https://apnews.com/article/bucha-ukraine-war-cleansing-investigation-43e5a9538e9ba68a035756b05028b8b4

Dont really want to quote any of it tbh


 
Posted : 05/11/2022 8:13 pm
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For those who have been waiting for Mike Martin to stick another update on Twitter he has broken silence. He's previously been pretty much on the money.

https://twitter.com/ThreshedThought/status/1588954556024569856


 
Posted : 05/11/2022 9:54 pm
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I think the war will stop soon as China has voiced their opinion after that German bloke went to China to “beg”

The war will stop when Russia withdraws from Ukrainian territory. China and Germany aren't combatants, they have no say in things.


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 3:32 am
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I think the war will stop soon as China has voiced their opinion after that German bloke went to China to “beg”

This trip changes nothing. China reiterated its opposition to the use of nuclear weapons, which it originally made clear in a meeting in Uzbekistan in September, but didn't mention a withdrawal by Russia
Germany seems to be heading for the same kind of reliance on China that it previously had with Russia and has been warned against, as it was with Russia.
Germany has just opened 25% of its port in Hamburg (where Chancellor Scholtz was mayor) up to investment by China's Cosco and there have been concerns at VW's Xinjiang plant for years https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-54918309


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 7:59 am
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China and Germany aren’t combatants...

Agreed

...they have no say in things

China has massive influence over Russia and made its opposition to the use of nuclear weapons, for example, clear in a meeting in Uzbekistan in September. Russia rowed back on its nuclear sabre rattling very soon after


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 8:03 am
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The war will stop when Russia withdraws from Ukrainian territory

Agreed. However Ukraine has been urged to soften its approach to negotiation by the US because of fears of Ukraine-fatigue amongst allies as winter bites.
The results of the US mid-terms are by no means certain and the ease of providing funding for materiel ($18.9bn to date) has been promised scrutiny by the Republican party


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 8:08 am
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China and Germany aren’t combatants, they have no say in things.

This again. Unfortunately not true. If (for example) China were to start supplying some of its massive stockpile of weapons, the outlook would change significantly.


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 10:29 am
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This is an interesting article about what’s left behind and the challenges the Ukrainians are going to have dealing with it for years to come

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/risking-life-clear-landmines-ukraine-russians-hunting/


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 10:37 am
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However Ukraine has been urged to soften its approach to negotiation by the US because of fears of Ukraine-fatigue amongst allies as winter bites.

Do you have a source for that? What changes do you believe the U.S. has urged? Has Ukraine actually changed its approach or has it just ignored the U.S. on this?

The fundamental problem with negotiations is that Russia is completely untrustworthy and will break any agreement as soon as is suits them. Ukraine would probably sign a treaty if the borders were guaranteed by NATO, with a permanent NATO military presence in Ukraine. They would not sign anything based just on a Russian promise, without any meaningful enforcement mechanism. It makes no difference what Germany and China believe, any peace treaty would need Ukrainian agreement, and they aren't going to sign anything that isn't backed up by military force.


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 11:01 am
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Russian promise sounds like a nasty cheap sex act.


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 12:33 pm
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Watched a video on ytube of Ukraine locals using a tractor and strap to move dead Russian soldiers
Soo if they were booby trapped with grenades or mines the locals /red Cross didn't get exploded as well.
This has obviously happened once amd shows what is being left behind when the Russian forces are overrun


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 12:40 pm
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However Ukraine has been urged to soften its approach to negotiation by the US because of fears of Ukraine-fatigue amongst allies as winter bites.

That's not actually what the U.S. is doing. They are asking Ukraine to show that it is willing to negotiate even if Putin stays in power. The purpose is to show that it is Russia that is refusing to end the war, not to have Ukraine make concessions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/11/05/ukraine-russia-peace-negotiations/

The encouragement is aimed not at pushing Ukraine to the negotiating table, but ensuring it maintains a moral high ground in the eyes of its international backers


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 1:51 pm
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Soo if they were booby trapped with grenades or mines the locals /red Cross didn’t get exploded as well

This is what you did in the early-80s, without a handy tractor,

I wouldn't be surprised if it's still used


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 2:36 pm
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The purpose is to show that it is Russia that is refusing to end the war, not to have Ukraine make concessions.

From the Washington Post link ^^ "The Biden administration is privately encouraging Ukraine’s leaders to signal an openness to negotiate with Russia and drop their public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power" (My bold)
and "...they acknowledge that President Volodymyr Zelensky’s ban on talks with him has generated concern in parts of Europe, Africa and Latin America, where the war’s disruptive effects on the availability and cost of food and fuel are felt most sharply."

Is that not a softening of its approach to negotiation because of fears of Ukraine-fatigue amongst allies as winter bites?
I don't think that anyone is being forced to negotiate either 🙂


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 2:46 pm
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^^I read about this on Sky and they have a slightly different take on the Washington Post angle. Sky said the US don't believe putin is serious about negotiating and if he is he should stop bombing and withdraw then negotiations could be looked at. Basically what they always said. Doesn't sound like softening to me.


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 6:12 pm
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Is that not a softening of its approach to negotiation because of fears of Ukraine-fatigue amongst allies as winter bites?

Not if Ukraine's requirements for a peace treaty haven't changed. The obstacle all along hasn't been Putin remaining the Russian leader, it's been that Russia has invaded Ukraine. A peace treaty will require Russia to withdraw from Ukrainian territory, which Russia refuses to do.


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 11:29 pm
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A peace treaty will require Russia to withdraw from Ukrainian territory, which Russia refuses to do.

This, but not only this...

...this would just be the first step to peace, given that Russia has made war in all but name.

Russia has opportunity to back out of this, but not on thier terms.


 
Posted : 06/11/2022 11:36 pm
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Not if Ukraine’s requirements for a peace treaty haven’t changed

"and drop their (Ukraine's) public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power"

I think that you're conflating different but connected issues: Ukraine's requirements for a peace treaty and Ukraine's public refusal to engage in peace talks unless President Vladimir Putin is removed from power.
You can't reach a negotiated treaty if you don't have talks.
We're not at a stage for either because "The territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine should be restored to the full," as Andriy Yermak said in May to the Royal Institute of International Affairs (Chatham House). To be clear, Ukraine should be fully restored before talks begin


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 7:22 am
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Russia has opportunity to back out of this, but not on thier terms.

Surrender and walk away would be on their terms. After that you need a negotiated treaty, which you can’t reach if you don’t have talks.
Importantly you need a world that will back you to rebuild and enforce agreements like the 1994 Budapest Memorandum (that was signed by Belarus (who is helping Russia), Kazakhstan (who opposed the 2014 Ukrainian government and has now gone neutral) Russia, Ukraine, UK and US) with positive action by the UN Security Council. Separate documents were signed by China and France


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 7:41 am
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Too late edit: To be clear, Ukraine's territory should be fully restored before talks begin


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 7:43 am
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10-minute read here featuring "Mark Galeotti, the author of a new book, Putin’s Wars: From Chechnya to Ukraine, and a public policy fellow at the Wilson Center in Washington, DC. He has advised the UK government on foreign policy, is a fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, and the principal director of the Mayak Intelligence political risk consultancy"
https://worldnewsera.com/news/entrepreneurs/analysis-putins-ukraine-war-is-entering-a-terrifying-new-phase/


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 6:13 pm
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Too late edit: To be clear, Ukraine’s territory should be fully restored before talks begin

Fully restored? Who are going to make that happen? Talks can only begin when one side is losing or in the process of losing.

10-minute read here featuring “Mark Galeotti, the author of a new book, Putin’s Wars: ...

Until I see nuke unleashed there is nothing to terrify about other than just normal war.


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 6:34 pm
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Regain territory, join NATO, game over 🤷‍♂️


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 6:37 pm
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Russia has hardly been doing well since the first week. One could say that they have been getting soundly beaten and pushed back in disarray. That's not even mentioning their war crimes so far and the continued breaking of law and conventions on targeting civilian infrastructure.


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 6:38 pm
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Regain territory, join NATO, game over 🤷‍♂️

I think Ukraine dare not join NATO to avoid escalation.

Or they can join to humiliate Russia and put Russia in their place, this I want to see.


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 6:42 pm
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I think Ukraine dare not join NATO to avoid escalation.

Whereas I think they'd join tomorrow, but NATO won't let countries currently involved in a conflict in.

I'm coming round to thinking that NATO should just roll right through Ukraine full force and expel Russia, stopping at the borders. Accept that bastard lunatic might do something stupid if that was the case.


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 6:49 pm
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Whereas I think they’d join tomorrow, but NATO won’t let countries currently involved in a conflict in.

Well, that's just going to prolong the war.

I’m coming round to thinking that NATO should just roll right through Ukraine full force and expel Russia, stopping at the borders. Accept that bastard lunatic might do something stupid if that was the case.

They should rather than pussy footing. The longer the war the more suffering and if all goes kaput then at least we all know that we are starting "new" together.


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 6:55 pm
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We can do a lot more without getting directly involved. We should supply regiments of main battle tanks and more modern armoured vehicles, more long range artillery, night vision and body armour for every fighter, modern aircraft (probably Saab Gripen in the short term given it's ability to operate from austere landing strips, probably F16 long term) with long range air to air and anti radar missiles.

Russia has the advantage in long range air at the moment, it needs to lose it. It's also launching long range attacks - Ukraine needs the need to stop that.


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 7:26 pm
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Not till the spring. With the mud making off road going exceptionally hard, even for tracked vehicles.
I think this is why we are not seeing the massive gains we saw in September.
If you are forced to use tarmac roads you limit what you cn achieve safely
Roads can be mined, artillery and morters ranged accurately
Tracked vehicles chew up the countryside and leave an obvious divot in the earth so hiding in a hedge or copse becomes pointless.

I suspect that there will be a hold in major assaults with units rotation for some rest.
Then when it dries up in the spring the smash and grab raids off road can begin again


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 7:34 pm
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We have a long winter between the autumn & spring mud. Frozen solid ground


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 9:32 pm
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I’m no military expert but wouldn’t winter be a time that favors the better equipped army even more? If you’ve got a warm coat and your enemy is freezing surely you’ve got a pretty big advantage already.


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 9:40 pm
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That's true, but why risk your soldiers lives any more than they already are if your opponent is freezing to death.

The concept of "Never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake" is likely in action here.


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 10:11 pm
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Should do. But it's bound to be messy- it could favour the more static force since they've less mobility to lose, or it could favour the more mobile one since they've more to leverage and are less likely to be stuck somewhere crap. It could, ironically, favour the army that's already illprepared and miserable as they've got a level of experience of being left in a field with no dry socks. Short good supply lines can cause more chaos when they break than long crap ones. Even if Russian cultural fatalism weren't a thing, anyone in that army who's surprised when things go to shit is probably already dead or crazy

I wouldn't like to do much of anything in a ukrainian winter though.


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 10:18 pm
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A Ukrainian winter can vary from averages above freezing around Kherson to freezing at Zaporozhye to below freezing in Luhansk. 45 tonnes of T72 can face very different challenges as a result
Buried mines, for example, might not be triggered or limited in effect in frozen ground and be difficult to bury and conceal if new mined areas are needed.
Winter in Ukraine isn't simple to define over an active front line hundreds of miles long


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 11:23 pm
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I think for the poorly equipped newly mobilised troops winter could be very grim, especially if it gets really cold
Captured Russian troops complaining of commanders abandoning them, friendly fire & 3 days with no food

https://twitter.com/Marlen_Leroy/status/1589745072727203840?t=wv_3kMoX6PbU6-HcCkZYvQ&s=19

Russian sources saying that they've lost 100s of mobilised troops in just a few days in a failed attempt to capture a village called Pavlivka (sp?) in Donbass

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1589298282085646337?t=W6HnVsk4ufZAxxzXn93Y2w&s=19

A lot of tanks & vehicles lost too

https://twitter.com/Blue_Sauron/status/1589525490779713538?t=Kq8X2jeqDaytLmhWM3fMAQ&s=19


 
Posted : 07/11/2022 11:37 pm
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Kimbers, I'm confused by that POW video. Have they put yellow tape on the Russian POW's?


 
Posted : 08/11/2022 7:29 am
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I think for the poorly equipped newly mobilised troops winter could be very grim, especially if it gets really cold

Ukraine believes that one reason for Kherson being evacuated is to give Russian troops shelter. There are also reports of Russian troops being seen in civilian clothes; looted layers against the cold or a deliberate deception?
Works as both I guess and clearing a city is a long, slow, process unless you flatten it. I'm sure that there's a plan 🙂


 
Posted : 08/11/2022 7:46 am
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The cargo ship blown up yesterday was apparently carrying Iranian drones. I really hope that is true.

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1589887000668041216


 
Posted : 08/11/2022 9:29 am
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If you read the comments they say the ship is in dry dock. From my little knowledge, the photo seems to show a ship ‘very high’ and surrounded by scaffolding and a crane so sadly I don’t think it was transporting drones


 
Posted : 08/11/2022 9:36 am
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Twitter reliable as always then!


 
Posted : 08/11/2022 9:39 am
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That's not "very high" by any means, looks about right for a ship in the water. A dry dock would have the ship sitting much lower (think about it).

As for scaffolding, I can't really see from the muddy potato image but that looks like it's round the infrastructure on whatever quayside it's been shot from. Again, not unusual, docks are frequently construction sites with live areas adjacent.


 
Posted : 08/11/2022 10:16 am
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The Battle of the Bulge in WW2 was fought in average temperatures of -7c. Armour was used extensively. Mud season is the bad time for armour, a hard winter is OK.

Having said that it will take time to stand up an armoured regiment. The best time to do it was last year, the second best is now.


 
Posted : 08/11/2022 10:25 am
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Kimbers, I’m confused by that POW video. Have they put yellow tape on the Russian POW’s?

Yes, stops them getting shot at in Ukrainian controlled territory (as read on the never wrong Twitter)


 
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