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Why is the Left so violent and angry?
Why indeed?
https://twitter.com/GleannIucha/status/1798023290625417293
Remarkable likeness, will be bizarre if her identical twin is an avid Farage-hater. Or maybe she's from an alternate universe, Marvel-style, and she's travelled across the dimensional rift to prevent the catastrophic consequences of his rise to power.
TBH I can see both sides. Bottom line for me is that some politicians have blood on their hands, they ruin lives. I think it's completely reasonable and appropriate that anyone who does that, and faces no consequences whatsoever, should feel as unsafe and as threatened as the people they've harmed, I'd be happy if they're never able to walk the streets without looking at every face and thinking "is this the one".
The trouble with that of course is who decides when it's appropriate to take action, because by definition it's people who're not making good decisions, Jo Cox's killer felt just as righteous and justified as a milkshake thrower. I guess I want a sort of schrodinger's threat, that always exists but never actually happens.
"Patriotism, politics and prosecco"?
I'm starting think bringing back national service might not be such a bad thing after all... 🤣
Survation MRP is not kind to the tories
https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1798062683394306547?t=W9MSeOeM83_lrK5kzFg8-A&s=19
And this is pretty frog faces announcement
Allegedly it's starmer V's sunak on ITV at 9pm tonight..so in about 20 mins.
LAB 487
CON 71
LD 43
SNP 26
RFM 3
PC 2
Three MPs for Reform UK?
No Green MP?
Milkshake woman:
:large
^^ well, *** me. Is that real?
It’s debatable, but the resemblance is striking, even down to the shape of her left eyebrow
Surely that isn't real
Good girl.....
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I should have linked to the tweet:
https://twitter.com/emilyhewertson/status/1775580814949982323
It's from the 3rd of April this year so can't really be faked.
Neither of the party leaders is coming out of this very well so far.
Not convinced by the host either.
It's even more depressing, the news are stating it was 'an onlyfans model', god i wish that site would get nuked and we didn't have to hear that phrase ever again, she's done it for attention, will be out later this week selling her story and wearing a top with her onlyfans address on it i'd bet.
If she was arrested there should be a record of it and the assailant's real name no?
Totally biased.
The host, Julie Etchingham is allowing Sunak to over talk everyone & cutting Starmer short on every answer.
As per the current media/news outlet trend, she is scrutinising Labour & questioning how they intend to implement their policies, yet the government of the past 14 years are being given a free ride.
Heard the first 15mins and that is as much as I want to hear from these two muppets,
EDIT : this is the first time i've seen tv adverts in at least 10 + years, Jesus Christ they are ****ing patroninistic bullshit, how do folk put up with them?
This was a far better watch, Flynn would wipe the floor with them (but I would say that wouldn't I?)
The host, Julie Etchingham is allowing Sunak to over talk everyone & cutting Starmer short on every answer.
I don't think Starmer has actually even tried to answer a question though.
MoreCashThanDash
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Neither of the party leaders is coming out of this very well so far.Not convinced by the host either.
I'm utterly biased so can't be trusted! But... I think Starmer is doing far better. Sunak is angry, agitated and defensive.
Starmer is incredulous, factual and relatable... by his standards. 😉 He's not an entertainer like Farage/Boris so he's playing to his strengths.
I can't be trusted though! So ignore me!
(The election will hold the final verdict I suppose and everyone else's milage may vary.😁)
The host, Julie Etchingham is allowing Sunak to over talk everyone & cutting Starmer short on every answer.
That was the impression I got. Seems to have calmed down since the adverts.
Starmer seems to be getting a better reaction from the audience.
What did Etchingham warn them about after the add break?
She warned them that they can be heard but I don't know what happened, I missed what she said?
My impression is that Sunak is walking all over him.
What did Etchingham warn them about after the add break?
She warned them that they can be heard but I don’t know what happened, I missed what she said?
Maybe that was just it - "people can hear this shit, you know."
Starmer's not a great debater. Sunak's ahead on points. Can't keep playing the Truss joker.
I don’t think Starmer has actually even tried to answer a question though.
fair one 😂
Sunak definitely looks more fluent, which given he normally looks like a ventriloquists dummy that’s just realised he spent the last 20 years with an old mans fist up his arse, is surprising.
Starmer keeps looking pleadingly at the presenter, not exactly statesman like
Just out of interest, does anyone know what Starmers or Sunaks parents did for a living?
I'm genuinely surprised that Sunak has gained momentum here. Looked terrible at the beginning.
Starmer has become more lumpy.
Just out of interest, does anyone know what Starmers or Sunaks parents did for a living?
🤣
They underestimate the audience's ability to swallow this.
Sunak still only repeating pre-prepared soundbites though.
Doesn't always work though - he's just said how everyone he's spoken to loves the National Service idea, only 2 minutes after he mentioned it and the only audience response was laughter.
Both saddled with shit solutions to massive problems.
Just out of interest, does anyone know what Starmers or Sunaks parents did for a living?
Everyone who can use Google? Though they've both mentioned it in the debate.
Advantage Sunak after this fiasco. Came out fighting, Starmer has so much ammunition but couldn't get a shot on target, disappointingly.
"Imagine waking up on July 5th with 5 more years of the Conservatives."
*Shudder*
This is really all it's about, the rest is noise.
Incredible…
”I want you to have financial security by cutting taxes…”
Had Starmer said this he would’ve been nailed to the floor with demands to explain how it would be funded.
The whole “debate” is a ****ing joke… why am I watching this car crash?
Quite agree with BBC summary - Sunak had no option but to come out fighting, attack being the best form of defence.
Starmer was too cautious, didn't want to risk a gaffe and seeing his lead cut.
Starmer is coming across as clueless, Sunak is coming across as a serial utter-bollox-talker.
I thought I knew who I wanted to vote for but now I don’t think either deserves my vote.
It’s not the US, this is about the party.
☝️This ☝️
according to a Yougov 'exit poll' - "Leaving aside your own party preference, who do you think performed best overall in tonight’s debate?" they came out 51/49 for Sunak.
I thought he performed better, in the sense that he could point to his policies and target Starmer's lack of ideas. Whether his policies and ideas are any good, as others have said it's clear and easy to point at the NatServ idea or Rwanda flights, but doesn't actually make it a GOOD idea.
I sense that Starmer can improve. Sunak was about as good as he gets, being bloody annoying by overtalking.
As Sunak said - the risk is a blank cheque to Starmer but the alternative is another 5 years of this. Sometimes 'not that' is the best option.
Starmer has little to gain with his lead in the polls and everything to lose in this debate.
Starmer avoided obvious traps and kept reminding the watching TV audience of the 14 years we have already had and why do we think the next 5 would be better under the Tories?
I'm ok with how the debate went, relieved in fact. The GE is Labour's to lose, I want bloody caution from Starmer! I don't want him to gamble with the next 5 years trying to land some epic knockout blow on TV. That was never going to happen.
I suspect the polls will show next to no movement tomorrow which I'm fine with given the lead.
Starmer, don't **** this up!
Are people really getting this get up about a banana milkshake?
I'd have shat in the cup then pished in it for good measure.
George Cottrel was in farage’s entourage today, , reported in byline times
On 22 July 2016, while attending the Republican National Convention with Farage, Cottrell was arrested by IRS Criminal Investigation special agents at Chicago O'Hare International. Cottrell was federally indicted on 21 counts for conspiracy to commit money laundering, wire fraud, blackmail, and extortion. Denied bail by a judge who branded Cottrell a "serious flight risk," he was detained in custody at Metropolitan Correctional Center, Chicago.[7]
Cottrell's indictment states how in 2014, he met with undercover federal agents in Las Vegas, where he conspired to launder millions of dollars worth of drug money using offshore bank accounts. However, following a plea agreement in December 2016, prosecutors agreed to dismiss 20 counts in return for a guilty plea to a single count of wire fraud in which Cottrell admitted to explaining various ways criminal proceeds could be laundered.
In March 2017, Cottrell was sentenced and released by Judge Diane Humetewa, having served eight months in prison.[8]
George Cottrel was in farage’s entourage today, , reported in byline times
Was he the one wearing large tinted glasses and pushed a photographer out of the way??
Lord Hesketh's nephew? The Nazi shitehawk - I'd like to meet him.
^^ Did he really bring up his flat, I missed that? 😐
Farage is lucky he is a far right politician it has to be said though. They get drink thrown at them, left wing politicians get stabbed and shot in the street.
Pretty silly thing to say. In the last 102 years, 7 MPs have been assassinated. Of those 7, 6 were right wingers assassinated. 5 of those assassinations were by socialist-republicans, 1 by republicans, and 1 by a jihadist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_MPs_killed_in_office
Sorry, I can't count: " 4 of those assassinations were by socialist-republicans, 1 by republicans, and 1 by a jihadist."
^^ You are bringing up Irish Nationalist assassinations going back 140 years?
From your own link:
From 1882 to 1990, six MPs were assassinated by Irish nationalists. The murder of Jo Cox on 16 June 2016 was committed
I just didn't really think it relevant to bring up historic assassinations dating back some 140 years. Particularly involving the immensely complex issue of our relationship with Ireland over the centuries.
That was a different world to the one we live in now. As I made clear, I'm totally against violence aimed at any politician of any persuasion.
Even our own domestic security services say the rising terrorist threat that the UK is facing comes from domestic far right extremists.
I'm *genuinely* sorry if I've unknowingly offended you in another post or something. I come on here too have a laugh and to vent sometimes, not to make someone's, anyone's day worse.
It's ok for us to disagree on this. It's all good. 👍
Pretty silly thing to say.
I am not sure that it justifies you yourself going down silly road and making comparisons with incidents which occurred over 200 years ago, one of which involved a perpetrator who claimed to be owed money from a time in a Russian prison.
It all sounds rather silly.
I never cease to be surprised by the ability of various members of this forum in their attempts to 'manufacture' issues.
I'll continue living in the real world - where most people exist.
The 'relevance' of political assassinations 140 years is...what?
To answer my own question, it's a complete irrelevance.
binners - are you still taking bespoke commissions for artwork?
Ah, salvador (dali) please produce for me your interpretation of anything by vermeer.
Huck, that sounds pompous and pretentious.
I think you know what I mean.
Let me know; it will be for elder son who lives in Lincoln so possibilities could include...Lincoln Cathedral, the Lancaster bomber memorial sculpture, original WW1 battle tank as designed and built in Lincoln, Red Arrows (Scampton or Coningsby).
There is a possibility of a second piece - for me daughter who is also Lincoln based; theme unknown as yet.
Happy to discuss via DM or phone; let me know which is best for you.
I'll be voting labour even though I'm more of a Liberal democrat.
I'm sure Starmer will shout very hard about his victory, and that's fair enough.. but this is not an election that voted labour in, it's an election to expel the conservatives.
From the sound of the public on Good Morning Britain (yes, I know), they feel Sunak was better. Based on that Starmer needs to avoid any debates as he is clearly not coming across well, which just supports what I have been saying about him for the last few years. Even so that is something when compared to Sunak who I can't even watch.
I’ll be voting labour even though I’m more of a Liberal democrat.
Because you think there is a risk that Rishi Sunak might win the election?
I’ll be voting labour even though I’m more of a Liberal democrat.
I’m sure Starmer will shout very hard about his victory, and that’s fair enough.. but this is not an election that voted labour in, it’s an election to expel the conservatives.
Meh, semantics innit.
The real question has to be what will Labour do once they're in. I tend to use my missus perception of things as a barometer (she's not really a follower of politics), she reckons it is obvious that that Starmer is still being cautious. She also noted that he still lacks details on policies in his answers. Basically the same criticism they've been subject to for the last couple of years, which really shouldn't be the case at this point.
She also felt the debate was run a little biased in favour of Sunak, and really didn't like the 'American style' of it all (I just went and played with bikes in the Garage)...
Do these 'debates' actually add anything to an election?
I really cannot stand them. So much half-truth, lies, bullsh*tting and arguing. It makes my head hurt.
I much prefer to take my time to consider policies and make my own decision. I don't need someone, particularly a party leader, to shout me down to persuade me otherwise.
😔
Starmer needs to avoid any debates as he is clearly not coming across well
When a leader is far ahead in the polls it is never a good idea to agree to a televised debate. If they change people's perception it is likely to disadvantage the one leading in the polls.
Rishi Sunak on the other hand has little nothing to lose, most rational people accept that he has all but lost the general election.
The only disadvantage for Keir Starmer not agreeing to a televised debate is it would expose him to accusations of not having any bottle.
Based on that Starmer needs to avoid any debates as he is clearly not coming across well, which just supports what I have been saying about him for the last few years.
Thing is, in the leadership election when he was actually articulating his ideas I thought he came across well.
Now I think the problem is there are zero ideas left so he's up there saying meaningless words and that's about it.
Had Starmer said this he would’ve been nailed to the floor with demands to explain how it would be funded
I mean for crying out loud this debate about funded or unfunded certainly started after gross misunderstanding about tax cuts and pay fors. I would rather neither party went there.
This economic myth is going to kill any actual useful outcomes in improving society or financing the state.
Do these ‘debates’ actually add anything to an election?
For me not really, I disliked Tories before it was fashionable so there's very little Lil' Rishi could say to change my mind. I'm probably as wary of Starmer as many, but again these Debates aren't going to provide much detail on Labour policies.
These debates are really for people that don't follow politics day to day. They can sit down for one hour listen to party leaders spout and then make up their minds. I'm surprised they didn't get Ant and Dec to present it TBH.
I’m surprised they didn’t get Ant and Dec to present it TBH.
That is the level they are at.
And I don't get how many people get fired up to comment on this debate circus.
Amazing how snowflakey the likes of Richard Tice, Isabel Oakeshott and Julia Hartley-Brewer are about a milkshake.
We would never have got through The Blitz if Londoners had got hot under the collar about milkshakes.
Where are their stiff upper lips for heaven's sake?
Bloody pansies.
Amazing how snowflakey the likes of Richard Tice, Isabel Oakeshott and Julia Hartley-Brewer are about a milkshake.
Well it was a banana milkshake and bananas are a bit foreign aren't they.
@frankconway - I’ve just DM’ed you about bespoke artwork. That sounds right up my Strasse.
Purely coincidentally I’ve just drawn a Lancaster on a poster for the 40’s weekend on the East Lancs Railway last month
I am hopelessly biased against the Tories, but I’m very surprised polls are reporting that Sunak ‘won’ the debate. I thought he came off as tetchy and robotic with his repeated £2000 attack line. The Tories are selling fear uncertainty and doubt so Starmer has got to get an optimistic message going not just change from the current shower of shit. It’s a mistake to agree to the head to head format when you’re so far ahead, should have diluted it with all the others and just let Farage showboat and suck up all the media attention.
I thought Starmer came off well in that but then I'm sworn anti Tory so lil-Rishi just made me want to smash the telly.
I did like the when I was DPP you were betting against the country bit but I bet that went over most people's heads and all the would have heard is the usual labour will put up taxes bull***t.