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That just triggered a memory from a few days back. The SDP are still going but have, well, been on a political “journey”.
They have apparently formed some sort of pact with…Reform!😐
@poopscoop I meant the original SDP that dissolved in 1998.
@dissonance SDP never vanished, they merged with the Liberals to become the Lib Dems. But yes, you got the thrust of my point.
You really want the 18-19% of votes for Farage to count for something?!
Well they already do in FPTP since the Tories seem intent on copying his policies and Labour position themselves one step in nastiness behind them. So your point is moot.
In practice mine has blocked me on all channels, and doesn’t reply to emails…
Your MP is Jake Berry too?
About the only thing we could do that would likely end worse than using a pluralitarian electoral system to limit the power of fascists while our media fawns on them, would be for our mainstream parties to also adopt their mindsets, speech and policies and welcome some of them onto front benches.
Yes. Obviously I would prefer for him not to get the votes but I am not really a fan of effectively disenfranchising 20 of the voters just because I dont like their choice.
German liberals and socialists in the 1930s had the same view. 🤔
Fascism is only ever possible when the fascists are tolerated and recognised by those who should know better.
at the bottom of the rear fold in very small type.
Saw the one for bexhill and honestly couldnt see conservative anywhere in it. There was some tory blue and a bit of "us" but not a single mention of the party that I could find.
Mentioned being a doctor a lot but forgot to say he was fleeing from being mp for Crewe and Nantwich to a safer seat as well.
Just had a Labour person round - first canvasser for any party. Reassured her labour has my vote.
Boundaries have changed here (Penrith and Solway) so it isn't a done deal for labour. The tory candidate (Jenkinson) is particularly odious - ex-UKIP with all the baggage that entails - however he might still sneak it.
Once again the french show us how it's done.
Fascism is only ever possible when the fascists are tolerated and recognised by those who should know better.
And yet here we are with the most right wing government since I don't know when, deporting immigrants, deporting Windrush folks, disenfranchising younger/disadvantaged voters with ID etc
It's FPTP that has allowed them in
At least for the moment we seem to be stepping back from the brink - but they'll be back
I see Johnny Mercer is soiling himself in public
He has been continually questioning his opponents claims to have served in the SBS and seen combat
https://twitter.com/JohnnyMercerUK/status/1804132531744256317
https://twitter.com/samkileynews/status/1804155206386552991
@AD I am sure Marcus will get in as the labour candidate, I really hope so as Jenkinson is not good for the area to put it in the polite way.
I lived in Keswick until 1999 so remember Markus's dad well who was the excellent labour MP for (Allerdale) Dale Campbell-Savours. I was also good friends with Markus's brother, didn't know the young Markus well but have heard a lot of good things about him in the past year.
Ian Dunt absolutely on the money again..
Leaders create a culture. They do so by virtue of the individuals they recruit and the behaviour that they reward. Sunak decided that someone of Williams’ evident mental limitations should be promoted to work by his side. I refuse to accept that this degree of stupid isn't visible from space, that it would not radiate out from every answer someone gave in a conversation. And once someone is that stupid - or even if they're quite intelligent but lack a fundamental moral core - they will take their social and professional cues from the behaviour they see around them, the standards they see set by people in senior positions. This type of thing doesn't come from nowhere.
maybe not this time, but eventually – there can be real change.
Haven't we've tried 'eventually'?
Also the lib dem's big prize in the disastrous austerity coalition was a referendum on a hard to understand version of PR. Evidence is they're not going to get it over the line any time soon.
On the other hand labour members including me want PR. So what I'm suggesting is, er, vote labour...?
Also the lib dem’s big prize in the disastrous austerity coalition was a referendum on a hard to understand version of PR
Nah it wasnt PR however the disaster was mostly due to the lib dem mps having been taken over by the orange book lot who broadly agreed with the tories on economics anyway.
On the other hand labour members including me want PR. So what I’m suggesting is, er, vote labour…?
Sure. Once you get the leadership to agree to it. Otherwise exactly why would it help?
Sunak has form for evading scrutiny on financial chicanery
The betting scandal has got nothing to do with the money, it’s about integrity – or is that not a trait you care about?
Oh absolutely - I'm just also seeing a suggestion that a review of whether the SNP is dishonestly using public funds for party purposes is something no-one should GAS about. To me, the sum involved isn't really the end of the story because it's about integrity (and is an echo of other SNP confusion >cough< about what you are and are not allowed to spend money on).
(FTR I think the SNP thing will go nowhere precisely because there are no records of how mailings are sent).
see the latest defence to the betting scandal is "what's the problem everyone knew it, was common knowledge in westminister"
Can we just take a moment to mull over this being the man that Rishi Sunak appointed as his PPS. A man who, when finding out the definite date of the election in advance, put a £100 bet on at the bookies. One hundred pounds at 5/1, which has ended his career.
Look at him. Just look at him….
see the latest defence to the betting scandal is “what’s the problem everyone knew it, was common knowledge in westminister”
Plus the pedantic he isnt currently Sunaks PPS or even an MP.
I also like how Sunak is leaning heavily on the wait for the police to investigate line which skips over the regardless of whether they are found to be guilty (the low prosecution rate for that law makes me suspect the answer will be no) Sunak knows whether they knew in advance and hence whether they used that knowledge to make the bets.
If yes even if legal is that the standard we want from an mp? Well its legal so lets make a few quid. Somewhat risky given they make the laws.
Labour have missed a big chance on electoral and constitutional reform - just a p[policy of a royal commission to look into it and make recommendations. Abolition of the lords, PR, Uk devolved nations and local English devolution / federalism.
It's the same as a footballer betting on outcomes of their own matches.
Such a dumb thing for them to do & shows a flagrant disregard for the electorate.
Also the lib dem’s big prize in the disastrous austerity coalition was a referendum on a hard to understand version of PR
[pedantry]AV is neither hard to understand nor is it proportional. It was chosen because it was in Lab's manifesto and so didn't seem unreasonable they'd support it.[/pedantry]
It’s the same as a footballer betting on outcomes of their own matches.
It's not even that. OK, some of the betting scandals in football have been over manageable incidents (so and so will get booked in the first half of a game) but the profile one recently of Sandro Tonali, he was betting on his side to win. In a game he was playing in, and hopefully y'know, trying to win. Not even betting on his team to lose. It's still against the law but trying to get your team to win is hardly cheating!
This bloke (allegedly) was told the date of the election and then went and placed a bet on it. That's what cheating looks like.
@jp-t853 I'm Workington born and bred 🙂 so I remember Dale well.
Marcus was out in the pissing rain in Cockermouth on Saturday at a family fun day. All credit there 🙂
'ol Kenky was probably looking for more people to block on Facebook 😂
Postal vote arrived this morning and filled in and posted, SNP obviously.
it's quite amusing brexit bugle vs the fail....
the fail going with... Nigel backs Vlad and the bugle "Nick Robinson's 'intolerable' grilling of Nigel Farage"
tjagain
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Labour have missed a big chance on electoral and constitutional reform
Agree 100%.
Postal vote arrived this morning and filled in and posted, SNP obviously.
Is that based on their amazing handling of the ferries?
Labour have missed a big chance on electoral and constitutional reform
I can’t for the life of me imagine why the party predicted to win the biggest majority in UK electoral history doesn’t want to change the voting system?
Its absolutely baffling 🤷♂️
tories - claim to be 'the party of business'. What a larf.
Corruption - cheaply bought.
Opportunism - useless at it; betting on the date of the election - get your mates to do it on different parts of the country; lots of middling sized bets.
My soon to be ex-mp, jenrick, was prepared to push through richard desmond's planned resi development in/near docklands for a £20k 'donation' - aka bung - so desmond could avoid the Construction Infrastructure Levy charge of c£40 million which he was liable for. That sort of benefit comes with a £5 - 10 million charge, surely. jenrick withdrew his approval when this 'sweetheart' deal was exposed.
Amateur.
Is that based on their amazing handling of the ferries?
Nah, always voted snp, especially so this time as I consider every other party to be populated by ****s.
😆
surely. jenrick withdrew his approval when this ‘sweetheart’ deal was exposed.
Amateur.
Its always amazed me just how shit they are at this whole corruption thing. I mean, there corruption is so clumsy and obvious, but they’re so ****ing cheap
The Russians must be laughing their tits off at the influence they buy for loose change, where their price tags start in billions
binners
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Can we just take a moment to mull over this being the man that Rishi Sunak appointed as his PPS.
Oi! He needs that £500 for Turkey Teef, give him a break!
I can’t for the life of me imagine why the party predicted to win the biggest majority in UK electoral history doesn’t want to change the voting system?
Its absolutely baffling 🤷♂️
Maybe because thanks to the rabid corruption of the past 14 years, the situation in the Lords, stacked full of Tories, is frankly ludicrous, and abolishing/reforming the HoL Lords would be:
1. Popular with a large cross section of the electorate.
2. Something approaching an actual tangible policy, something which the 'party of change' seem to be severely lacking given that they're signed up to version 2.0 of Tory austerity.
A majority of Labour members are also in favour of PR too I believe. Which is of course separate to the 'constitutioal reform' which was half of TJ's post.
EDIT: It probably shouldn't, but that picture of Craig Williams cracks me up....given that it's an official one, you'd assume that it was one of the "better" ones 🤣🤣😳
Its absolutely baffling
For anyone capable of thinking beyond the next couple of weeks and capable of looking at the last hundred years or so it is.
However once you remove "party" it does make more sense although even there it is questionable.
Get pissed. Vote Tory. 👍
Tories pledge focus on pubs and clubs in 'first 100 days
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cjqq8kgz80yt
It actually must be pretty liberating for them now, they can promise any old crap knowing they will never have to even think about implementing it.😂