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Why do the SNP get a platform on this national debate on the BBC, given they’re irrelevance to the vast majority of the population?
I asked the BBC to include them as I know the SNP wind you up.
I suppose the Tory youth vote simply cannot get any smaller.
GiveanX
A total of 2,898,265 people have registered to vote since the General Election was called on May 22nd. Of those who registered, 744,631 were under 25, and 896,825 were aged between 25 and 34, totaling 1,641,456
I'm going to guess the Tory vote share in those age groups is pretty close to a round number
The hilarious thing is that he - being devoid of empathy himself - does not realise that many older voters also don't like the idea of this kind of unfair treatment for their grandchildren and children. He's just shit at politics, and so are his advisors.
There are many things I don't understand but can still get my head around enough to have a conversation with my son about.
Blackholes.
How we can identify exoplanets.
How all life on earth likely stemmed from one, single, cell.
However, no matter how much I try, how much empathy I aim at the subject, how much I concede that I am a deeply average human being and simply don't know everything...
...I cannot get my head around the fact that there are people out there in the real world that are still undecided about whether to vote Tory or worse, absolutely are going to vote Tory.
Other than the Tories saying if they win they are going to nuke the UK to give us a bit of a clean slate to work from, what does it take to reach these people?
I is perplexed I tells ya!
theotherjonv
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A total of 2,898,265 people have registered to vote since the General Election was called on May 22nd. Of those who registered, 744,631 were under 25, and 896,825 were aged between 25 and 34, totaling 1,641,456
I’m going to guess the Tory vote share in those age groups is pretty close to a round number
Yup, and the other thing is that while there <are> teenage tories, they all registered to vote the second they could.
But, a good chunk of these are going to be for Reform- if you're 30 and are deciding to register to vote for the first time in this election, it's not likely to be because you've been inspired by the rump PM, Keir Starmer, the current SNP, or the... uh, lib dems I think it was? I reckon aside for people who've never been eligible before, Reform are going to be the ones motivating people.
A party source said that Williams, the Tory candidate in Mont gomeryshire & Glyndwr, had been in line to receive a knighthood in Sunak's dissolution honours list but would no longer do so following his bet, which he called a "huge error of judgment".
Gives you an idea of the caliber of (political) persons the Tories like to reward.
I'm not too fond of the whole honours system but at least they have exposed it as being totally unfit for purpose.
…I cannot get my head around the fact that there are people out there in the real world that are still undecided about whether to vote Tory or worse, absolutely are going to vote Tory.
Because in their view the tories have done a good job (for them) as they are largely detached from all the shit the tories have done (as am I and all the tories I work with)
Many don't like the last few years, didn't agree with Brexit and appear fairly moderate but will still vote tory because they always have and they can't ever bring themselves to vote Labour (they will make them worse off) and don't really see Lib Dems as a party that would ever be in power.
Their main concerns about Starmer are private school fees (VAT) increasing their outgoings and changing pension taxation so there massive pots are impacted (yes I know that is not even on the table as far as I am aware)
It is all about them personally, looking extremely narrowly without looking at wider picture of state of country and services and how that impacts them more than some taxes. They simply don't believe any other party would do any better.
People vote Tory to look after themselves.
People vote Labour to look after others.
People vote Tory to look after themselves.
That has not dated well. I'm always worse off after a dose of Tory. The party of poverty.
I’m going to guess the Tory vote share in those age groups is pretty close to a round number
The utter ****s in that age group will know that it won't damage them, but it is something nasty they can do to people who are currently young children. So a very small number.
That has not dated well. I’m always worse off after a dose of Tory. The party of poverty.
Which shows how screwed up the media/investigative journalism are in this country. But we don't like facts/experts in this country.
People vote Labour to look after others
That's not universally true either, a lot of lower income people vote Labour because they expect Labour to do more for them personally, nothing to do with the greater good.
Voters across the political spectrum can vote selfishly, and to an extent what's wrong with that, it's their vote.
But as a government you should be putting things in place that are for the greater good rather than playing to each person selfishness. But I guess people don't want that so on we go.
Other than the Tories saying if they win they are going to nuke the UK to give us a bit of a clean slate to work from, what does it take to reach these people?
they’d still vote Tory, but make sure they were out the country at the time, and had things in place to profit from the rebuilding effort!
either that or like Brexshit, would say “we didn’t think you meant that sort of nuke”
Madame Edukator and I realised there was prepaid envelope even from abroad so we don't have to find a stamp.
She's been googling the manifestos and candidates, she was looking for:
Pro European, at least a customs union
Humanism
Investment in health care and education for all
Reduced dependance on fossil fuels - investment in alternatives
Starmer's attitude to Stop Oil was the last straw, **** tactical voting, vote for what you believe in, we've voted Green.
I was a Tory minister – but I think we need a Labour government
Chris Skidmore
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/20/tory-minister-need-labour-government
If you think we need to move, at speed, away from fossil fuels, then please vote to stop your seat returning a Conservative MP. You don't have to be one of us unwashed wishy washy lefty types; died in the wool conservative Conservatives should vote to get the current mob running what's laughably still called the Conservative party out of the way of necessary progress.
Yep, it is a tricky one - the Green Party is who I want to vote for but with a slim (very slim) chance of the tory actually losing to Labour, who are the only party close to them, I may have to vote Labour who I dislike more by the day.
I reckon the Conservatives are greener than Labour, Kelvin; they keep more people in poverty thus reducing overall consumption. 😉
Labour don't need my vote, they'll get a huge majority anyhow, humanity and our environment need green voters.
Starmer’s attitude to Stop Oil was the last straw, **** tactical voting, vote for what you believe in, we’ve voted Green.
Agreed. World simply gets worse otherwise.
People seem to keep voting for the same stuff and then screaming why is it all so bad?
But this one will be a grown-up honest.
Shock horror, the people who have been moaning about Starmer being to blame for everything for 4 years aren't going to vote for labour shocker.
Amazes me that all these people have such hatred, because starmer isn't exactly what they want, that they are willing to vote for another party and potentially help the tories.
Amnesia from the last 14 years?
I have no love for labour (would vote green if we had pr), but i ****ing loathe the tories
Amazes me that all these people have such hatred, because starmer isn’t exactly what they want,
These are the same people that voted for a mythical Lexit, same people who use the phrase "but we won the argument" Folk who hold ideology in more worth than people.
You know........... morons
From @TiRed
Typically one person a year is convicted of attempting to make life-changing gains. Is a £100 bet going to be life-changing? Well it is now, but not for the reasons they’d hoped for!
As well as the ethical approach there is the financial balancing sum to consider. Will the prison term/penalty result in one earning less than minimum wage from the corruption (money gained over hours served). If the result is no then it's not worth the candle. If yes, is it significantly more than minimum wage, crack on! (The amoral approach).
Amazes me that all these people have such hatred, because starmer isn’t exactly what they want,
Errrr yes of course. Nothing to do with him lying to get control of labour and then purging the left from the party whilst welcoming the hard right. I cant imagine why someone on the left who after having it made clear they arent welcome in the glorious ideologically pure party might choose to vote for someone else. It really is a ****ing mystery.
The left of the party originally welcomed Starmer up but things went downhill when he allowed the right to declare war on the left and cheered them on.
that they are willing to vote for another party and potentially help the tories.
Wrong. People are voting for parties they think will represent them. Besides where is the problem? We keep being told Starmer has to offer the policies he does because thats where the votes are so he will walk it anyway.
Lets face it the centrists would **** off in a heartbeat if the policies they wanted werent provided as, indeed, they did in 2019 helping the tory hard brexit. So why are the left supposed to act differently?
So the frog faced c*** has now said that Andrew tate is a positive voice for men.
Honestly, we're in the mirror universe now, where you can say that about someone awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges and somehow remain a credible politician.
You know……….. morons
Indeed. The common clay of the new West.
I see the snp are now being investigated for misuse of ... wait for it..postage stamps. I mean really, in the grand scheme of things who gives a xxxx.
zippykonaFull Member
So the frog faced c*** has now said that Andrew tate is a positive voice for men.
I find this more repulsive than insider betting.
This needs more coverage from the media, the TV news in particular, than it gets.
The Tories are just incompetent idiots, Farage is a full on proto-fascist.
People vote Tory to look after themselves
Overly simplistic. As stumpyjon points out people can vote labour if they think it will help them personally.
Whilst in more recent years the thatcherite variant has mostly taken over there are still the one nation tories which does have a strong strand about helping others/society as a whole. The effectiveness of that can be debated but it is there and can be a reason for people voting tory.
Its worth noting Cameron, May and even Johnson did claim to belong to this branch (either directly or by saying that Disraeli and co were their inspiration) although the evidence for that is rather slim beyond the words.
Just needs Sunak to appear with GOV on the back of his suit jacket and I think we're there. 🙂
You know……….. morons
Indeed. The common clay of the new West.
Quite - but it's more like diamonds or gold. Stupidity is such a valuable resource if you can get to it first, mine it and monetise it. Farage is a prime exponent of the industry.
I see the snp are now being investigated for misuse of … wait for it..postage stamps. I mean really, in the grand scheme of things who gives a xxxx.
Or using tax payers money to support political campaigning which is a big no no. Think about the advantage the tories would gain (ok maybe not this year but...) if they could use mp expenses to campaign to keep their seats?
The tory mp (candidate currently) Tony Maynard is under investigation for using taxpayer funds for campaigning and there are probably a few more.
Its not just using money but also things like using an office for a political video and so forth.
I see the snp are now being investigated for misuse of … wait for it..postage stamps. I mean really, in the grand scheme of things who gives a xxxx.
Can someone remind me what the minimum value of things we are supposed to GAF about is? Apparently the £100 Tory bet was very very important but the SNP (supposedly) using public funds for partisan campaigning is not at all important? How do I decide whether I GAF about something until I know the exact value of the thing? I'm so confused!
So anyone who votes for what they believe in is a moron.
Cool.
Enjoy the echo chamber, I look forward to the next episode of mental gymnastics where you all try to convince people that a party who doesn't represent them or have any policies that they believe in is the best choice for them after 5 years of governance and no substantial difference to their lives.
If I vote for Green I'd literally be voting myself out a job but aside from the nuclear bit they're the only party with progressive policies I would support. If more people vote for them then the mainstream parties will start chasing those votes. Rather than the current vicious cycle we find ourselves in it would become a virtuous one.
So remind me, who's the ****ing moron here?
It really is a **** mystery.
You know that bit where folks in the middle of the Labour party like @binners, @kelvin and me keep reminding you every time time that this comes up, that not only did we vote for Corbyn both times, but went out an canvassed and supported our local prospective MP...
That.
You know that bit where folks in the middle of the Labour party like @binners, @kelvin and me keep reminding you every time time that this comes up, that we voted for Corbyn both times…
That.
Here's your regular reminder that I, along with thousands of others on the left, voted for Starmer to be leader.
I think this has come up every 5 or 6 pages on the thread.......we are lumbered with FPTP. So no one party is going to have all the policies you would like to vote for.
And because of FPTP, we have to hold our noses and vote tactically to give the Tories a bloody nose. Starmer knows he has to appeal to the centre cos that's where the numbers are to get into government. Suck it up.
But if you really want to see change in the UK, join the Electoral Reform Society and make PR an issue Starmer can't ignore. Then when we have PR you can vote for your left of left, your green of green with a clear conscience, and get the level of representation those policies deserve, and you might find it pulls the centre a bit more to the left.
Now that I have voted, postal vote has arrived and returned, what do I do for the next 3 weeks. The election is over, I hate football and I’m injured so can’t ride my bike.
So remind me, who’s the **** moron here?
TBF it is a rational argument for a certain kind of centrists to make since it gives them outsized power so long as everyone else keeps going along with it. That the cracks started with brexit and have been getting worse ever since is just something to ignore for now.
The alternative is for them to realise centrists are a spread out minority and then join the lib dems and take a more cooperative approach to things rather than demand that policies are written just for them and the majority of people (on the left and right) should just be grateful for any scraps of policies.