Antifa have always been hyped up beyond their real significance.they occasionally pose a threat to property but rarely to life and liberty.
Antifa are irrelevant in relation to current events and will become increasingly more irrelevant in the coming months. This past year Antifa conflated their interests with BLM and did it a disservice.
Future BLM protesrs will be decoupled from Antifa entirely now that Trump is out of office. Recent events will change the narrative to good police vs bad police, rather than the police vs the people. The blue lives matter trope has become more than meaningless, it has revealed itself to be nothing more than the racist trope it always was.
Those flying the blue lives matter flag were saying to the police 'you work for us (white people)'. This sentiment trapped the poloce, as good police could hardly reject the support and the sympathies it falsely expressed. That's all changed now that the blue lives flag on a pole has literally been used to beat police officers.
I’m getting the think this “radical left” moniker being thrown around is an anti environmentalist thang. Wouldn’t be surprise if this whole pro trump thing ends at the door of big oil.
There are fringe environmentalists who take things too far and give their opponents an easy target, just like the antifa people, but this is much more general than just anti-environmentalism. Oil companies are greedy capitalists, but I don't think they are part of a conspiracy to overthrow democracy, they are just profit oriented with a very short-term outlook.
The typical pattern with these things is that people vastly overestimate the genius of their opponents. The biggest argument against conspiracies is that very few people are smart enough of discrete enough to set them up and keep them secret.
The pro-Trump thing mostly just seems to be a sense of grievance that the world has changed and people who used to feel like they were running things now feel powerless. They are right in that America used to be White dominated and is now becoming much more multi-cultural, but they are basically thinly disguised white supremicists at best. At worst, they are openly Nazis.
Is this just a case of her having too many jobs and VP is the most important right now?
No it's because she becomes President of the Senate.
Is this just a case of her having too many jobs and VP is the most important right now?
You have to pick one job. You can't be VP and a U.S. Senator at the same time.
The way it was written made me think there was more to it than "someone does what they're supposed to do".
The way it was written made me think there was more to it than “someone does what they’re supposed to do”.
She can't be VP and Senator at the same time. It's purely procedural. She's a lawyer, she's collecting salary and benefits until she starts her new job.
That’s all changed now that the blue lives flag on a pole has literally been used to beat police officers.
This is a very interesting take on all this.
Oil companies are greedy capitalists, but I don’t think they are part of a conspiracy to overthrow democracy, they are just profit oriented with a very short-term outlook.
I don't think it's even a conspiracy theory to say that fossil fuel companies/the Koch brothers etc are behind lots of anti-science 'research' and that they also support shady hard right groups.
I doubt they care too much about democracy either way but Trump was a godsend for mining/drilling/tearing up environmental regulations etc.
Just a reminder that the FBI, apparently, haven't made much progress in identifying the truly dangerous participants.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2021/01/17/opsec-shaming-misses-the-terrorists-for-the-forest-of-bozos-they-hid-behind/
Just had an interaction with half a dozen of the trump nutters on PinkBike. Trump never said to storm the capitol (transcript provided didn’t use the EXACT phrase you see) it’s all antifa, the mainstream media and anyone who disagrees has been brainwashed. Apparently I should educate myself.
So there’s that. Rather frustratingly they aren’t really being called out, save for ‘let’s just talk about bikes’ calls, so are getting the last word.
More and more I’m thinking the longer any trials he has go on, the longer he will have a platform and the less time people will have to forget about him come 2024. Regardless of who runs, I think he will be a major player, unless he is in prison. Even then, he’ll be a martyr. He’ll have influence for decades as plenty of others will want to continue his legacy/ride that wave.
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Just had an interaction with half a dozen of the trump nutters on PinkBike. Trump never said to storm the capitol (transcript provided didn’t use the EXACT phrase you see) it’s all antifa, the mainstream media and anyone who disagrees has been brainwashed. Apparently I should educate myself.
In reference to Trump, anti vax, anti mask, Covid deniers...
...if someone says "wake up" or "do your own research" once more I think I'll burst into a hot ember.😁
In reference to Trump, anti vax, anti mask, Covid deniers…
...climate change and cops who pick and choose what laws they enforce. Oh, and what freedom means.
Looks like I’ve got a lot of reading to do. I assume all these theories have been published and peer reviewed, and not just nutters on YouTube?
thols2
Free MemberOil companies are greedy capitalists, but I don’t think they are part of a conspiracy to overthrow democracy
Overthrow it? Not in the west, no. In the oil producing contries, bit different. But in the west at least- undermine or redirect it? Get it to do things that are counter to the interests of the voters? Absolutely.
Just a reminder that the FBI, apparently, haven’t made much progress in identifying the truly dangerous participants.
Or they are waiting for 12:01 on the 20th....
I saw this....
…if someone says “wake up” or “do your own research” once more I think I’ll burst into a hot ember.😁
... and I thought of this;
Q: How many conspiracy theorists does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Do your own research.
^^ lol, yeah, the "do your own research" is just a get out of jail free card for trying to say any old crap is actually true.
I was expecting this. A timeline of Parler videos. Scary stuff.
'The radical fringe is a cause for concern. The thousands of regular people whipped into a murderous rage is the real nightmare.'
https://twitter.com/charlesornstein/status/1350896688907612163?s=19
https://www.propublica.org/article/inside-the-capitol-riot-what-the-parler-videos-reveal
Do your own research
Do you own a library card?
the timeline is a beautiful piece of work by them and by the woman who scraped all that stuff. It's an amazing record
^^ Came across that earlier. I'm guessing they also wanted the video kept safe from being "lost" from Parler.👍
https://www.newyorker.com/news/video-dept/a-reporters-footage-from-inside-the-capitol-siege
This is fantastic. Shows the combination of amateurism, fanaticism, idiocy, aggression and ignorance that characterised the assault on the Capitol. Unbelievable.
^^ In that vid which is a must watch.... The cop telling them "we love you guys, take it easy" as he lets them go up a stairway.😐
Wtf. There are a lot of people in positions of authority, lowly cop upward, they must be absolutely sh*thing a brick right now.
They get in the Senate..... and basically behave like a load of 6 formers without a clue what they hell they are meant to be doing there not the storming has Bern done.
"Where is everybody?"
Amazing stuff.
Sorry, can't edit all the typos!
"Wtf. There are a lot of people in positions of authority, lowly cop upward, they must be absolutely sh*thing a brick right now."
Yep, there must be a lot of people with square arseholes right now.
^^ Rectangular if they are unlucky.😁
I'm rooting for the bricks.
That (astonishing) propublica video collection link:
https://projects.propublica.org/parler-capitol-videos/
I can’t help imagining viewing it through ‘Covid-19-eyes’. Mmmmm, looks...fertile...🦠
There is A LOT there - the FBI are going to be scraping those vids for weeks. I think anyone there in "tactical" gear will automatically lose any legal argument about their intent.
Also, anyone else reminded of this seeing the police response?
A lot of the faces in those videos are going to go from impunity to paranoia very quickly. That sense of certainty and entitlement is going to be suddenly whipped away from them as they get a knock at the door.
A lot of the low hanging fruit will be told to expect charges in a month or so (there's an understandable back-log of more serious cases to deal with first). In the meantime they be asked to "keep an ear out for anything that sounds like it might be of interest to us, you never know, it might even help with your case when it comes up, we know you're not one of the really bad guys right?".
The militias and 'stop the steal' type groups will likely descend into a spiral of mis-trust, false accusation and paranoia. Their energies will start to be directed inward and they'll begin to destroy themselves from within.
Not that they can't cause an incredible amount of damage in the meantime though.
Some participants will return to normality. The rest will go underground and wait for their new (or old) fuhrer to arrive (return). That is why it is so important to prosecute Trump and all his enablers urgently.
One perspective on leaving the impeachment hearings for a later date is that it could hold Trump and his cohorts even more liable if there is more trouble over the next few weeks. It could also have the opposite effect, in that his supporters 'stand down' until the hearings are over in order to not jeapordise the fate of their dear leader.
How is Al*x J*nes still playing Pied Piper in all of this? Mindblowing.
He claims he ‘paid for’ for the Capitol rally, he’s hosting a website that allows comments such as ‘storm with guns next time’ and ‘take up arms it’s our duty to take out these *****’...
...yet remains a free man, albeit a free man seeming to be making a fortune from the lie (among countless other lies) that he and his followers are not ‘free’ to be saying and doing what they are saying and doing. And his fans of course swallow it all down, along with his claims that Covid-19 is not only a hoax, but it’s also curable if only you buy magic potions from you guessed it...his website.
Along with his vegan, soy-containing ‘Male Vitality’ pills which allegedly ‘cure’ males from the anti-masculine effects of soy and/or veganism. They swallow this, literally!
If he isn’t living proof of his own bullshit then I’m a teapot. He and Trump are surely cut from almost identical cloth? This is how Trump can coddle (even create) a curious strain of anti-maskers/anti-vaxxers who also boast that Trump has developed the C-19 vaccine. They can seemingly mobilise small armies of gullible idiots to test their own joint product. What is their product? Freedom™ innit? It’s like regular freedom, only with added bovine excrement, fully traceable back to the source.. Allegedly.
Anyway...prescience:
In the 1940's, much of the world was Antifa.
I think Rudy, you may find yourself as something other than a witness
If Trump is convicted at his senate impeachment trial (unlikely sadly) would that be reason enough for the UK to refuse him entry?
What would we (uk populous) have to do to not have him on our soil again? Apart from promise to send Janey Godley as his welcoming committee to any airport he might choose as an entry point. Would feel like our fitting contribution to giving him pariah status.
Is trump really looking to 2024 or is it, in his mind, ran and won, I am champion. Bored now. Next.
Is trump really looking to 2024
Supposedly Ivanka has plans to become a politician in time for the next campaign...
convert
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If Trump is convicted at his senate impeachment trial (unlikely sadly) would that be reason enough for the UK to refuse him entry?What would we (uk populous) have to do to not have him on our soil again? Apart from promise to send Janey Godley as his welcoming committee to any airport he might choose as an entry point. Would feel like our fitting contribution to giving him pariah status.
Better to make anyone that uses his golf course/s here and in the US a pariah I reckon. I suspect many of his business interests are built on very dodgy foundation's and about to get even more unstable👍
There were mutterings at some point that Trump was planning to announce his 2024 candidacy on inauguration day, which sounds like the kind of petty shit he specialises in. Presumably someone has told him to hold off until the Senate has decided whether or not to disqualify him from public office forever. 🙂
Ivanka vs Marco Rubio in a Florida primary is the kind of GOP-will-eat-itself shitshow they should sell on pay-per-view.
There were mutterings at some point that Trump was planning to announce his 2024 candidacy on inauguration day, which sounds like the kind of petty shit he specialises in.
I'm not sure that "planning" is the right word to use with Trump. I think he just kicks ideas around and sees how people respond, then goes with whatever seems to get cheers.
Will this, or something similar, be the method of departure?
I see it’s Pardon everything day
can't be many things less democratic than the power of the Presidential Pardon! US is looking more like a banana republic every day!
Will this, or something similar, be the method of departure?
Now I’m getting low-key conspiracy vibes. Look at his neck and head vs his collar @ around 1 min 30
Is that a body actor? Why does he look so weird? The face looks out of focus/different res, but the clothes look sharp and HD. Did he record the speech on his phone sitting at home in his undercrackers before emailing it to ‘the best people in greenscreening, very great people’?
Or did I just not notice quite how weird Trump is even before I began suspecting that he and Al*x J*nes are actually quantumly entanglificated?
Enquiring minds want a drink.
Ivanka vs Marco Rubio in a Florida primary is the kind of GOP-will-eat-itself shitshow they should sell on pay-per-view.
Sounds like a good band name.
Or not.
Back on page 119 @somafunk posted a link to Seth Abramson’s (35 twitter post examination of DT’s speech.
I’ve been reading his twitter ever since and found it a consistently good source of info. (Usually new content starts mid / late afternoon UK time)
(edit-tried to link)
p7eaven
Free MemberNow I’m getting low-key conspiracy vibes. Look at his neck and head vs his collar @ around 1 min 30
Is that a body actor? Why does he look so weird?
Just looks like teh usual "Trump moving like a badly made puppet" tbh.
Definitely something odd about that video.
There are people claiming the fact that it's listed here is proof it's a deep fake but it doesn't really prove anything obvs
https://github.com/iperov/DeepFaceLab/commit/68e55baa15c98dc83c596d56af91c79d3a96f7b5
The world is very disconcerting rn
sands : this one?,
https://twitter.com/sethabramson/status/1350878401163382786?s=21
My bro bought me "Proof of Collusion - Seth Abramson" regarding the trump/russia connection for xmas a few years ago and I liked his writing style and the fact he is meticulous in his reporting so I've been following him ever since.
Those good old patriots hey, selling senior politicians laptop to Russian "friends".
You really couldn't make up what a bunch of bungling hypocritical traitors they all are, the only reassuring thing is that come the revolution they are going to be easily identified by the bullet holes in their feet.
She’s now being investigated for stealing Nancy Pelosi’s laptop and attempting to sell it to a friend in Russia.
So, tell me again about this making America's great again through your patrotism?
The world is very disconcerting rn
Posting partly because I think the deep fake stuff is interesting. But mostly because I love Sea Shanties. This used to be a still picture:
https://twitter.com/vonstrenginho/status/1349824512544698369?s=20
Yeah deep fake stuff is fascinating and I'm permanently reminding my kids half the stuff they see isn't real as it's either faked or deep-faked (evidence, motive, method). Have a read up on detection and mitigation mechanisms too. Like anything war (this is the information war) it is and will continue to be an arms race.
It’s great that the people that raided Congress are a bunch of useless muppets. Imagine the damage they could cause if they were organised and had several brain cells as opposed to the three they currently share.
Is that a body actor? Why does he look so weird?
That is very odd. He’s moving like a pigeon in a man suit. Lots of weird little head and arm movements.
squeaky bum time for ms Boebert
Surely this wouldn't be hard to build a case for / against (regular tours, schedule anomalies, ID checks, Parler dump etc). I suspect the Feds know all this and are just waiting for the 21st to begin asking questions of Boebert who I suspect will be as unconvincing as the rest of these Trump clowns.
Surely this wouldn’t be hard to build a case for / against (regular tours, schedule anomalies, ID checks, Parler dump etc).
No regular tours since Covid. No tours at all, in fact, all visitors had to be there on business.
I’m permanently reminding my kids half the stuff they see isn’t real as it’s either faked or deep-faked
Critical thinking is pretty high up the home schooling curriculum round chez MF.
Right now our two nippers might be laughing at Diddy Dick and Dom but dial that up to 11 and they couldn't tell between reality and fantasy. Etc.
Tom Scott has just uploaded a video on this or did he?
I thought he wasn't allowed to move to Mar-a-Lago?
Re chasing the big money behind the rioters, surprise surprise it's the usual suspects:
I thought he wasn’t allowed to move to Mar-a-Lago?
He's not allowed to do all sorts of things he's doing/done...
He is not nickc he signed an agreement not to live in it more than 20 days a year.
As regards the videeo - I suspect edited as he couldn't make that speech in one take
Amusing thing about the MyPillow guy that Trump just met with to discuss martial law:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZST9rxN7/
Basically, you get a hefty discount on his website by using the discount code “qanon”. 😳
soma funk
sands : this one?
Yes, Thanks for the link
Posted by Seth Abramson yesterday:
What Parler Saw During the Attack on the Capitol | ProPublica
The ‘barcode’ type header is the complete timeline, with options for selecting videos: Around DC / Near Capitol / Inside Capitol
The reason FBI are vetting all the NG in Washington......
Qanon Trumpists planning to get into Inauguration dressed as National Guard
This is an interesting article, showing some of the stuff that was actually done - some good, lots bad - during the orange shitegibbon's rule of chaos. Lots to reflect on
Re chasing the big money behind the rioters, surprise surprise it’s the usual suspects:
This is the real problem, Russia, Iran and China etc are almost the distraction for the war being waged on the majority of people by the 1%ers. Like Trump they don't care that the absoluteness of their greed is breaking down the society that provides them with their wealth. It isn't about having enough to do everything they can possibly dream of, it is just a way of keeping count of "winning".
I'm looking forward to the confusion when this guy doesn't get the presidential pardon he's expecting.....
and this guy, unexpectedly, gets released from jail...
" Yeah, Joe, he's a really great guy. You all know Joe, right?.... From TV?.... With the hair?... He's a terrific guy who tried to kill some other guys. We should pardon him bigly"
There is talk of Trump pardoning Snowdon. Could he actually do the right thing for once just to piss off the establishment?
I think both of those guys have hair that Trump is envious of.