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Speeches here are full-on Q in DC...
Urgh they're not giving up are they 🙁
I dunno though that March seems mostly more like a jolly day out where they get to play at being an angry mob wanting election justice - deep down most of them must know it's bullshit, surely?
Hardly millions is it?
https://twitter.com/kayleighmcenany/status/1327646530103369728
https://twitter.com/TrumpStudents/status/1327648788731875333
Urgh they’re not giving up are they
Nope, sadly. They still believe, despite all evidence to the contrary, that their orange deity will prevail. Predictably there are classy signs at that march in DC.
Best base in political history
Really? Neo nazis, white supremacists, conspiracy theorists? Yeah just like Hitler eh? Sure there are some fairly reasonable people too there and as for a million come on! Probably all end up with Covid.
But they still believe this lie. Trump learnt well from Putin and his North Korean chum judging by his tactics.
More than one MILLION marchers for President
There is quite a nice symmetry to going out lying about crowd sizes.
Not a lot of masks or social distancing in those videos either 🙄
Here's a nice panning shot Dan Scavino, an ardent pro-Trumper, showing that "million" strong march
https://twitter.com/DanScavino/status/1327667569537507329
It's all very Orwellian:
"In the end, the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense." -- 1984
Bigger crowds than his inauguration. Must have come to say bye.
https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/1327624162215604226
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1327642243218493440
Interesting that the states Biden won account for 70% of the US economy and are better educated.
Good news for the GOP, they've uncovered voter fraud.
Bad news, it was someones dead mother voting for Trump.
Who didnt see that coming.😂
Blaming China now (no doubt posted on a phone made in China)
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1327720558193205255
Just watching one of Team Trump's key witnesses, Mellissa Carone's TV interviews. IT contractor for Dominion. She claims...
- ballots were rescanned (officials say that's standard process when there's a scanning error)
- vans she thinks were not big enough to deliver food to the workers delivered things (but she didn't see what)
- confronted her (IT) boss, who took no action
The Republican candidate is interviewed at 2:20 in this clip:
The food vans showed up, but there were too many, so they can't have had food in them, therefore the election was stolen. I'm convinced.
That interview is ridiculous, even if you believe she's telling the truth it proves absolutely nothing but the way she blinks constantly and just sounds super shifty all the way through makes even that doubtful.
It is worrying to see a mass collective delusion gaining traction across millions of people.
So they reckon they are going to be able to overturn the result by wheeling out randoms to aledge fraud, with absolutely no evidence to back up what they are saying?
Desperation doesn't even come close..
They are hoping to throw enough cases out there that one ends up with a nutter judge who will side with them and delay the process of electoral college voting.
It is worrying to see a mass collective delusion gaining traction across millions of people.
The Brexit thread is over there ===>
Fox News anchor:
‘Breaking news now’
^ these days I read that phrase in a very literal sense.
And they still say North Koreans are the brainwashed ones.
It is worrying to see a mass collective delusion gaining traction across millions of people.
Is that really what's happening though? Personally I think it's a last hope kind-of thing and will just ebb away over the coming months as reality takes hold.
On a related note - I think the media are generally doing a great job of minimising the amount of attention they are giving Trump's desperate and baseless claims - and of striking the right tone in what coverage they do give him now.
As with all news - if anyone's finding it's affecting their mood or wellbeing, I'd recommend rationing news intake and limiting to trusted sources.
Is that really what’s happening though? Personally I think it’s a last hope kind-of thing and will just ebb away over the coming months as reality takes hold.
I think it probably is but I think it's right to be concerned about the right wing media hate machine that is promoting all this stuff running rampant. We shouldn't be complacent because this is already starting in the UK too - Fox style channels are starting up very soon here.
On a related note – I think the media are generally doing a great job of minimising the amount of attention they are giving Trump’s desperate and baseless claims – and of striking the right tone in what coverage they do give him now.
Depends what media you look at. I've been mostly reading The Guardian and CNN but if you accidentally end up on right wing twitter rabbit hole it's a different world. They really are constructing their own version of reality where facts and real evidence are totally redundant.
They really are constructing their own version of reality where facts and real evidence are totally redundant.
Yep, they’ve all moved to Parler where they can wallow in bitter tears and come up with new and crazier conspiracy theories without those annoying libruls challenging them with inconvenient facts or reality.
It’s now a festering cyst that will linger on and on.
Depends what media you look at. I’ve been mostly reading The Guardian and CNN but if you accidentally end up on right wing twitter rabbit hole it’s a different world. They really are constructing their own version of reality where facts and real evidence are totally redundant.
Very noticeable when CNN etc. were interviewing MAGA march attendees yesterday that people just repeat verbatim what Trump tweets. Everyone's a voting machine security expert all of a sudden.
Will be interesting actually what Google's algorithms make of me watching right-wing news recently. Expecting some odd suggestions from YouTube.
Yep, they’ve all moved to Parler where they can wallow in bitter tears and come up with new and crazier conspiracy theories without those annoying libruls challenging them with inconvenient facts or reality.
It’s now a festering cyst that will linger on and on.
Perhaps. But if the crazies move en masse to another platform, they won’t be around the spew cynical nonsense on Facebook and Twitter.
Hopefully it just means they can stay in their self-inflicted salty box.
I think it probably is but I think it’s right to be concerned about the right wing media hate machine that is promoting all this stuff running rampant. We shouldn’t be complacent because this is already starting in the UK too – Fox style channels are starting up very soon here.
Andrew Neil?
https://www.ft.com/content/470cf7f4-59e6-47c1-9efa-ce634b7980d7
Andrew Neil is leaving the BBC to lead a rival news channel backed by the US group Discovery, which aims to bring the talk-radio spirit to UK television viewers “underserved and unheard by their media”.
GB News, a right-leaning station with Mr Neil as its chair and top presenter, plans to launch early in 2021 with a mission to rattle the BBC and upend the norms of British current-affairs broadcasting.
“GB News is the most exciting thing to happen in British television news for more than 20 years,” said Mr Neil, who has been one of the BBC’s leading political presenters and was the founding chairman of Rupert Murdoch’s Sky TV in 1988.
In my estimation most Brits will increasingly take to US-style tribal politics and get their ‘news’ from the internet, the outrage-baiting brands and personalities who are entirely invested in reaping this whirlwind.
Brexit/Trumpism was surely just a taster of the swing towards Nationalist/populist rhetoric/conspiracy? I can’t see how the trend will slow as it’s only been increasing for decades.
The Orange One has gone mental on Twitter. Loads of tweets in the last hour. He must of got his phone back.
Andrew Neil
I'm not the intended audience by a long chalk, but if I was to pick anyone I'd want to be running a right-leaning news channel, he would be top of the list.
Probably the UK's best political interviewerand quite fair minded IMO.
Also, our broadcast regulations probably don't allow for anything as one-sided as Fox News is in the US.
I was looking at their site a lot during the election aftermath and it's real echo chamber stuff, but to be fair to them they stuck their neck out on the result way before many other Trump allies dared to.
His Tweets really are an insight into the diseased mind of a madman
Lionel Barbor was interviewed on Radio 4 earlier this week. He's met Trump a few times over the years and said he'd never met anyone like him. He described his narcissism as being 'off the scale' and said that he's doing this because in his own mind he simply cannot even entertain the idea that he could possibly have lost. In his mind, there has to be some other explanation for it.
Basically, he's ****ing unhinged
Struggling to understand the concept of a news channel that advertises itself as leaning one way or the other.
Struggling to understand the concept of a news channel that advertises itself as leaning one way or the other.
Look up Fox News.
The website and videos posted therein should illuminate you.
Struggling to understand the concept of a news channel that advertises itself as leaning one way or the other.
All media outlets have an editorial policy that sets the direction of the types of stories they report. The New York Times, for example, focuses on stories of national and international importance, whereas a local newspaper focuses on stories of interest in the local community. No media outlet can report on everything that happens, they have select what is relevant to their audience.
Thing to keep in mind with Fox is that there is a serious news side that has some solid journalists, plus an opinion side that hires nutty right-wingers. The journalists do report on news that is not flattering to Trump, but their editorial policy means that they are probably not as aggressive in chasing that as the Washington Post or New York Times because that's not what their audience is looking for. The reverse holds for the WP and NYT. The Fox opinion side is not constrained by facts, that's where the really unhinged stuff comes from.
quite fair minded IMO.
Not when he's using twitter.
The thing to keep in mind with fox news is that it doesn't have a serious news side so to speak, the handful of 'solid' journalists are there to supply a veneer of legitimacy to what is and always has been a conspiracy theory channel whose sole purpose is to aggitate and sow discord.
As chappers says, Andrew Neil is a highly competent interviewer but the thought occurs that he might have been put in place to provide a veneer of legitimacy that hides some pretty rotten wood beneath it. Who's to say that the new news channel starts off respectable but gradually degenerates. All fur coat and no knickers.
My guess though is that the channel will be a screen version of the Spectator, a platform for Douglas Murray and the like to spew their pseudo intellectualism. The problem with that is that it provides a pretty shallow pool of discourse,
Voice of the oppressed:
"This policeman is kicking me to death."
Voice of the Spectatorists:
"But Marxism."
Expect a lot of this sort of thing.
Look up Fox News.
When you've lost Fox News, You've lost.
And I really like Andrew Neil too and I am left-leaning. Good journalism from any side is still good.
Not when he’s using twitter
I don't use Twitter, for the sake of my own wellbeing.
I don’t have a problem at all with the idea of a right wing news channel. But Fox has simply been a GOP mouthpiece for years, and their output became increasingly fake news / alternative facts bollocks because that suited the Trump agenda. Who is funding GB News?
Who is funding GB News?
Quick Google. Maybe not as anti-mainstream as they are making out.
'GB News appears to be owned by a company called ‘All Perspectives Limited’, which is in turn equally owned by media moguls Mark Schneider and Andrew Cole.
Cole is a director and board member at Liberty Global – a multinational telecommunications company with roughly 47,000 employees. According to the trading website Wallmine, Cole is also a shareholder at Liberty, reportedly owning stock worth more than $1 million.
Liberty Global has an interest in mainstream broadcasting in the UK, owning 9.9% of ITV Plc, the company that effectively owns and operates the ITV network. There has even been speculation that Liberty could launch a full takeover of ITV, with this rumour circulating via City AM as recently as May.
Although GB News is thought to be competing more directly with Sky and the BBC – both of which boast rolling news channels – Neil’s anti-mainstream rhetoric does seem somewhat jarring, given Cole’s ties to a leading news broadcaster.'
The first county in Georgia has just completed its recount - EXACTLY the same count as the first time.
Fulton County (Atlanta) is just about to finish too.
Is there a point at which Trump's proclamations become criminal? I.e. is it a criminal activity to repeatedly claim a vote is rigged when there is irrefutable evidence it is not? Or is it a slander thing either the slander of Biden or the officials running the election votes in the different states?
The first county in Georgia has just completed its recount – EXACTLY the same count as the first time.
Well that just proves the fraud theory. How could it be exact? Well that's what the next court case will say.
As a matter of interest where did you see this? There's nothing on CNN yet.
It was on CNN news a few hours ago.