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seems they've given up on the legal and are going to just "gaslight" the win....
I see he’s busy claiming credit for the vaccine now:
Despite the fact that Pfizer were not part of “Operation Warp Speed” and funded it themselves:
Pretty sure I read somewhere that the experimental treatment Trump was given after his Covid diagnosis was developed using stem cells from a human foetus, and that his administration had previously banned the type of research that made it possible to keep his evangelical supporters happy
Love this. Old footage of various Republican/right-wing journos complaining about how awful Democrats are for being unable to accept election defeat and trying to prove election fraud:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZS43HyhX/
Something will come out of it, alright
An absolutely ****ing enormous legal bill
And a right old laugh for the rest of us watching the tangerine shitgibbon launch his go fund me page to get Dwayne and Daisy in their trailer in shitsville, Idaho to pay for it
Other than that…
While I highly doubt there's any evidence of mass-scale fraud in the election of Biden I don't think this is the end of it quite yet. Biden has won and will definitely be sworn in come January, that is not in doubt. The issue is all it takes is one judge somewhere to allow one of Trump's many, many filed lawsuits to go forward. The 'taskforce' will then find 1, and only 1, fraudulent ballot and then hold it up as certifiable proof they were right. If they are then stopped from examining every other state they will claim the system is trying to block them finding the rest of them!
I mean they've already found fraudulent ballots. It's just inconvenient that they were Trump supporters!
Wtf, did Pompeo, the Secretary of State, just say he expects a smooth transition to a second Trump administration? Are we just going to Chuck out the election then?
cromo - yes, pompeo did just say that.
cromo – yes, pompeo did just say that.
That's what I thought. Never seen a guy announce a coup in such a relaxed and nonchalant manner. Bravo, Pompeo.
Holy shit! The world is watching and thinks Trump is a useless sack of baboon shit who needs ejecting from office. It’s getting to the point where Trump and his entire team should be arrested for sedition and treasonous behaviour. Preferably mace them and beat them with sticks before doing so. Bunch of corrupt ****s.
Special lolz for the only cast iron voter fraud to date being from a Republican voter.
GrahamS
Full MemberCorrect, but certain “news” organisations are choosing to selectively report that as “Barr orders prosecutors to look into substantial allegations of voter fraud” which is a very different spin.
Barr was up late working out the wording for that I reckon. No way it was accidentally left so perfect for misinterpretation.
Bidens Team have had a special background made up for press conferences to leave you in no doubt as to who the President Elect is.
Some of their legal stuff is just staggeringly ridiculous.
The Trump campaign tried to halt absentee ballot counting in the state, alleging that observers were excluded from the process, but a judge declined to do so last week. The campaign failed to “specify when, where, or by whom” they were excluded and did not “provide any details about why the alleged exclusion occurred,” Judge Cynthia Diane Stephens of the Michigan court of claims wrote. The campaign offered a picture of a sticky note from a poll worker purporting to show that workers were being instructed to backdate ballots – Stephens declined to admit the note, saying it was hearsay. The Trump campaign is appealing.
How do you show up to court with that as your evidence and keep a straight face?
How do you show up to court with that as your evidence and keep a straight face?
After the "non-zero number of people in the room" it was probably very easy.
Watching Pompeo got me thinking they're trying to provoke violent protests,hoping that Biden voters will react by hitting the straits. It'll be BLM 2.0, only this time they're hoping for a counter reaction from the MAGA heads, which will lead to chaos leading to a state of emergency.
Or as chromolymoly says, a coup.
Boris spoke to Biden today, noticeable in his statement he says promoting democracy is a shared priority.
They are either trying to:
a) stop various places nominating electoral college voters, meaning that it goes to congress for a vote - each state gets one vote (i.e. California has same number of votes as Alaska), so GOP/trump win
b) keep base fired up until 5th jan and georgia run off so they win and keep control of senate
c) both
Boris spoke to Biden today, noticeable in his statement he says promoting democracy is a shared priority.
Though his press release failed to mention that the Good Friday Agreement was discussed. Joe Biden's release says he "reaffirmed his support for the Good Friday Agreement".
Oops. Guy running for congress got caught. Thought he was posting on a burner account they reckon.
https://twitter.com/itsameowen/status/1326274140496539649?s=19
https://twitter.com/pbump/status/1326270844650344450?s=19
Was also reading last night that the college electors in December don’t always follow the vote.
It’s extremely rare that this happens. Electors are chosen carefully, they are generally party loyalists, and reneging on their pledge will usually be the end of any public career they might hope for so it’s not a major consideration.
The ones in 2016 were trying to start an 'elector rebellion' of some sort against Trump. The hope was that there would be enough Republican electors unhappy enough with the prospect of him that they'd join in. Which didn't prove to be the case, and nor should it.
Regarding this election, each party in each state selects its chosen electors before the vote. This is pretty much set in stone. A Supreme Court ruling this year strengthened the ability of states to act against faithless electors. However, it also emphasised that the state was in charge of selecting the electors themselves.
This last aspect is what has led people to become concerned at the prospect of state legislatures deciding to ignore the vote and just send their own electors.
However, as I understand it, it's not as simple as that. The process is enshrined into law in each state. So the legislature would have to change the law to do that.
So what is stopping Michigan, Pennsylvania or Wisconsin (all of which have house and Senate Republican majorities) from doing just that?
Well, notwithstanding the time that the process would actually take, all three have Democrat governors and all three governors have the veto. Whilst the legislature can override the veto it requires a 2/3 majority in both houses. The GOP don't have that in any of those states.
Nevada is a Democrat legislature so that's not an issue.
Arizona is Republican, but the McCain thing is strong there, don't think they'd do it. Georgia is also GOP through and through and the lost likely candidate for funny bizniz. But it's still extremely unlikely.
Regardless, with the rust belt and Nevada, Biden doesn't need Arizona or Georgia, so I reckon that avenue is effectively closed for Trump
One of the motivations given for the rogue electors last time was that they could cast their votes in order to represent the popular vote and to balance out some of the inherent issues with the electoral college. Which is a seriously slippery slope, even if well intentioned, and probably just as well it went nowhere- but also a nonissue this time where the new president won both the popular and electoral votes
The US postal worker, who gave his name only as ‘Kenny’ has retracted his story about electoral fraud, but still insists he was a firefighter in Mexico, did once play swingball in Pwllheli with Robert De Niro and once woke up next to Bonnie Langford.
binners
Full MemberThe US postal worker, who gave his name only as ‘Kenny’ has retracted his story about electoral fraud, but still insists he was a firefighter in Mexico, did once play swingball in Pwllheli with Robert De Niro and once woke up next to Bonnie Langford.
😀 has that ring about it 😀
A Texas Republican is offering $1million for evidence of election fraud. Their case must be really strong...
A Texas Republican is offering $1million for evidence of election fraud. Their case must be really strong…
Pity he didn't make that offer before election day. When you think about it, it would be well worth committing election fraud, confessing, collecting the reward, then doing a max of 5 years jail in a low security jail.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-poll-idUSKBN27Q3ED
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Twitter told me yesterday that there were a billion* votes cast in the US between 2000 and 2014, and only 32 were proved fraudulent.
* That seems too high a number in the cold light of day, but you get the point.
When you consider they vote for everything from Mayor to Fire chief, it’s not just presidential elections.
That seems too high a number in the cold light of day
That's probably in the ballpark. They hold congressional elections every two years so that would be eight elections with 125 million ballots per election.
This is disturbing. Trump removing 4 top pentagon officials...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/10/politics/pentagon-policy-official-resigns/index.html
I reckon he’s removing anyone who is telling him to concede.
what are the (legal) options for removing him from power before he does something truly dumb and dangerous? He's not showing any signs of concession, and moves like this are scary - what are the checks and balances in the system if he can just populate his oversight roles with slavish loyalists?
Rational me says not even Trump is that unhinged, and then I give myself that sideways look and question how rational I am....
This is disturbing. Trump removing 4 top pentagon officials…
It is, but I think the longer term effect is that military and intelligence officers will switch from generally supporting Republicans to voting Democrat. There are tens of thousands of them trying to do their jobs in a non-partisan way and seeing their leaders publicly criticized and sacked for saying what everyone knows is true.
One of the big jobs that the Biden administration will have to do is review the security clearances of a lot of the top Trump political appointees, starting with Trump family members. The intelligence people know that a lot of those people would not have ever got security clearances if they weren't Trump's friends, so many of those will be revoked and a lot of the people that Trump sacked will probably be rehired to demonstrate that being honest will be rewarded in the long term.
It’s pretty obvious that between now and January he’s going to behave like Sadaam Hussain leaving Kuwait, torching everything behind him in a scorched earth policy
Got to love these avowed patriots and their love of their country
what are the (legal) options for removing him from power before he does something truly dumb and dangerous?
25th Amendment. The Vice-President and Cabinet can have him declared unfit. They aren't going to do that now given that they have been tolerating crazy shit for four years.
That’s a rather crap amendment. The only people that can have him removed are those with an interest in not doing so. America.....****! Yeah!
It’s utterly fascinating to watch though.
in a sort of oh-sh*t kind of way, given the access he has to things shooty and explodey
It is, but I think the longer term effect is that military and intelligence officers will switch from generally supporting Republicans to voting Democrat.
I don't think one man can change someone's life-long allegiance and orientation. They'll just distance themselves from Trump and follow the next non-Trumpy Republican candidate.
I have a colleague who talks about how Iran was a beautiful, relatively liberal country until it's 'Revolution' in 1979. I'm younger so until that conversation my prior exposure to Iran (from our media etc) was of a backward country run by religious zealots. It baffled me that such a fall from apparently enlightened and prosperous society could happen so recently.
And yet, here we are with that famous bastion of democracy, the USA, going down a remarkably similar path. It's like the ultimate cringe to watch it. Fascinating, yes. But terrifying since we'll probably be next.
On the bright side I don't think the UK will fall to religious zealotry. Political zealotry maybe, but I can't see the Church of England turning fundamentalist any time soon.
Cake or death?
in a sort of oh-sh*t kind of way, given the access he has to things shooty and explodey
He calls them "super-dupers" you know......
DrP