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Do any states have crimes along the lines of 'bringing the state into disrepute' ?
IMHO She’s sung, given two encores and left the stage to a standing ovation.
No she has not. Until the bloke is sworn in there is no singing.
Until the bloke is sworn in there is no singing
You are talking rubbish. He has been sacked but silly old rules mean that he still gets to embarrass himself for another 11 weeks. There has not been a single credible voice suggesting that there is any justifiable legal recourse for Trump.
I challenge you to find one credible constitutional expert, legal commentator or election expert who supports Trumps position (Tip, Farage doesn't come under any of those categories)
The whole world is singing.
Trump isnt stupid
that’s debatable
Until the bloke is sworn in there is no singing.
Trumps “lawsuits” aren’t going to stop that from happening. It’s done
Nothing to see here; barr just going through the motions.
Mr Barr said prosecutors should only look into "substantial allegations" of irregularities, and that "specious, speculative, fanciful or far-fetched claims" should be ignored.
Barr also said in his memo that "nothing here should be taken as any indication that the Department has concluded that voting irregularities have impacted the outcome of any election," but added "such inquiries and reviews may be conducted if there are clear and apparently-credible allegations of irregularities that, if true, could potentially impact the outcome of a federal election in an individual state."
trump loses any and all legal protection when he leaves office; he may attempt to pardon himself - an admission of guilt - or be pardoned but that only applies to federal cases.
He will be totally exposed to the multiple state indictments; they will substantially drain what's left in the bank a/cs - unless, of course, he's crowd funded or gets pro bono representation or fees are picked up by a GOP mega donor.
He's finished; will always have some appeal for the far right but that's about it.
As for trump TV, how can he do that when he's serving time?
I suppose some of his brats could front it - if they're not also doing time.
In that case take the challenge in court what is there to fear. The law is designed for this sort of things.
No, the legal system is designed to evaluate good-faith accusations based on evidence. In this case, the accusations aren't in good faith and they haven't produced any evidence. Trump's crew are scared of him and just making baseless accusations to appease him. Lawyers are not supposed to bring bad faith cases to court, so his lawyers are in breach of their professional responsibilities. Of the cases brought so far, AFAIK, every single one has been dismissed by the courts (i.e. not tried and evaluated, but just rejected because there is no case to answer to). Trump has not won a single case so far.
The Supreme Court is not going to get involved for the simple reason that the number of contested ballots is far too small to change the outcome. Trump's team would need to overturn the results in multiple states to win the electoral college. That would require having many tens of thousands of ballots invalidated, which is not going to happen.
What will happen if you go back through any election on this scale is that a few hundred ballots will turn out to have some technical errors. It's very likely that some people died after posting off a ballot, or that people moved house and didn't notify the authorities. That's just normal human error and it will affect both parties. It's not fraud, just routine mistakes. Given that there were about 150 million ballots cast, it's also likely that there will be a handful of genuinely fraudulent ballots, but that is probably going to be in the dozens, not thousands, because it's actually difficult to cast fraudulent ballots and there are jail terms for doing so.
Showing that there are a tiny number of invalid ballots will not convince the courts to invalidate millions of valid ballots, so there is zero chance of this changing the result in a single state, let alone four or five. The courts know that and will reject these cases because there is no evidence of any deliberate, systematic fraud.
The Trump team know this, they are just trying to avoid conceding for as long as possible because this clown show impresses Trump's fans.
Trump isnt stupid
Two words:
Ultraviolet
Disinfectant
Trump isnt stupid
No, he is pretty stupid. He's very talented at drawing attention to himself, but once he actually won the Presidency, he didn't have any coherent idea of what to do apart from try and coerce people into staying at his hotels.
Emma Barnett is presently dismantling a Trump/Republican Party spokesman on Five Live
He's talking utter bobbins. It's pretty obvious that they clearly haven't got a single shred of any evidence of any electoral fraud. Who'd have thunk it?
This will get nowhere near the Supreme Court. Not even Lionel Hutz would take this case on. Actually, I suspect this Trump spokesman may actually be Lionel Hutz
Trumps “lawsuits” aren’t going to stop that from happening. It’s done
Just sit tight and enjoy the drama.
I would be surprised if nothing come out of the "lawsuits".
Mr Barr said prosecutors should only look into “substantial allegations” of irregularities, and that “specious, speculative, fanciful or far-fetched claims” should be ignored.
Correct, but certain "news" organisations are choosing to selectively report that as "Barr orders prosecutors to look into substantial allegations of voter fraud" which is a very different spin.
Emma Barnett is presently dismantling a Trump/Republican Party spokesman on Five Live
There was only ever going to be one winner there! Barnett is relentless.
President Trump (he still is until the next bloke sworn in)
Actually he will be President Trump for life, as that is the custom in the USA to use it as a courtesy title.
Hence Obama is still "President Obama" and dubya is still "President Bush".
I shall sit tight and watch the
drama
drama-queen
drama-princesscomedy unfold.
FTFY a bit more.
I would be surprised if nothing come out of the “lawsuits”.
Would you, how utterly fascinating.
I would be surprised if nothing come out of the “lawsuits”.
Something will come out of it, alright
An absolutely ****ing enormous legal bill
And a right old laugh for the rest of us watching the tangerine shitgibbon launch his go fund me page to get Dwayne and Daisy in their trailer in shitsville, Idaho to pay for it
Other than that...
I would be surprised if nothing come out of the “lawsuits”.
this surprises nobody.
The problem with saying that politics is drama is making light of the effect on human lives that this election will have as an outcome.
People will die if Trump gets to continue his current course of actions; reduced access to basic healthcare, increased poverty, rejected asylum cases forced to return to their country of origin, continued non-intervention to protect human rights in other countries.
Politics isn't sport or a frippery
@jamze – that does show both how urban the US population is and also just how the “huge” states like Montana, Wyoming and the Dakotas are electorially insignificant – basically all the “plains” states have less impact than California on its own.
Was also reading last night that the college electors in December don't always follow the vote. Most States they have to by law, but some don't. In 2016 some didn't elect Trump, some didn't elect Clinton. Usually, they effectively abstain by picking somebody who doesn't have a chance.
@Jamze I suppose we might see something similar in Feb time here, a Tory stalking horse to start the ball rolling for Bozo's removal. Its often the case that no hopers are put forward to draw votes away from others to allow the party to get what it wants and appear a democratic process.
It's all a fundraising grift, I suspect. I wouldn't mind having 1000% impact thought, that sounds fab.
Even if, by various shenanigans, the winner cannot be declared by Jan 20, Trump's presidency ends right there, and Congress determines who is acting president until it all gets sorted out.
Grifting right the way to the end.
Classy.
There was a question posed, could have been on this thread, about what happens if a candidate dies between appearing on the ballot and the actual date of the election. Apparently the vote goes ahead, which is why a "dead" congressman was elected in Nevada this time round. Obviously he can't take his seat so the voters were actually voting for his replacement when they are eventually announced - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-who-died-coronavirus-wins-election-north-dakota-state-legislature-n1246393
So there are instances where events can overtake proceedings but in general the members of the electoral colleges go with the result in their state.
Even if, by various shenanigans, the winner cannot be declared by then, Trump’s presidency ends right there, and Congress determines who is acting president until it all gets sorted out.
This is the Republican's Hail Mary plan. The Congressional vote is not by district, but by state. Each state delegation casts one vote each. So California will cast one vote for Biden and Kentucky will cast one vote for Trump, etc. Trump would win if it went to Congress, hence Republicans are trying to throw the process into disarray.
Was also reading last night that the college electors in December don’t always follow the vote.
It's extremely rare that this happens. Electors are chosen carefully, they are generally party loyalists, and reneging on their pledge will usually be the end of any public career they might hope for so it's not a major consideration.
No, the legal system is designed to evaluate good-faith accusations based on evidence. In this case, the accusations aren’t in good faith and they haven’t produced any evidence. Trump’s crew are scared of him and just making baseless accusations to appease him. Lawyers are not supposed to bring bad faith cases to court, so his lawyers are in breach of their professional responsibilities.
So could all these baseless cases continue to be raised and almost act like a denial of service - they prevent a State from moving to the next stage in the process even though the cases are going nowhere?
I take it there are punishments available for unfounded malicious prosecutions, this is clearly an abuse of the legal system.
In some states yes. plus libel and slander laws.
Voter arrested for electoral fraud:
Yes, a Trump voter.
old - I think we've had that one but it's worth repeating again and again and...
I take it there are punishments available for unfounded malicious prosecutions, this is clearly an abuse of the legal system.
Some US states, I think it's four, have the concept of a "vexatious litigant", basically someone (or company) who raises multiple spurious claims without legal merit, on the statute books. Not a US thing, it originated here in the UK. They get put on a naughty list and are barred from bringing *any* case to court.
These cases seem more to appease to Trump and his supporters than actually change the result, plus it allows more time for Trump to fleece his supporters to pay his campaign debts.
according trumps twitter, this weeks a bust* , results coming in next week (what ever that means)
*my inference 😀
I see he's busy claiming credit for the vaccine now:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326147913542668291
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1326149041248407552
Despite the fact that Pfizer were not part of "Operation Warp Speed" and funded it themselves:
Erdogan has congratulated Joe.
Have the Republican / Trump Campaign protested the Senate and House voting results and process?
Reading a couple of things now it only seems to be about keeping the President in place.
German funding and developed in Belgium?
German funding and developed in Belgium?
Have you never seen a single US made war-film, the US always is the victor and lead.
The Republicans are certainly going in for it
They know that If they turn on Trump & work with Biden he will snatch his base away and cost them the GA senate run-offs & hand control of the senate to Harris
Run-offs are 5th jan, so They have to keep supporting Trumps bonkers claims (or staying silent at least) until then
I think they will just about do it
But its not good for the USA & means Bidens team will struggle to be set up in time for 21st Jan when he takes over
The Donald will be busy sabotaging anything and everything he can before Biden's team arrives.
Wah wah wah, I can't have it, so neither can you.
It’s just utterly pathetic and embarrassing now. He’s literally making a mockery of the whole US and needs to be removed from office.