[Closed] Tottenham Riots

Looting in Peckham too.

Apparently they've taken half-price cracked ice, miles & miles of carpet tiles, TVs, deep freeze, David Bowie LPs...

OMG Cameron has had to cut his holiday short 😯

Kerry Katona has been spotted heading to Iceland with a housebrick and a wheelbarrow...

TJ - I dont think I need educating into social inequalities. I feel I have a fairly rounded view, and appreciate the conditions that presented themselves in the 1980's. The Scarman report is a valuable document, and yes I have read a fair chunk of it... however people have a simple choice between right and wrong.

it has been implied on this thread that the actions of the people out there tonight have been, in someway, spurred on by discontent, deep seated issues in the fabric of society, and that roiting (like that in the 1980's) will spark change in society for the good. That viewpoint, imo is misplaced.

Kerry Katona has been spotted heading to Iceland with a housebrick and a Transit Pickup...

FTFY

however people have a simple choice between right and wrong.

But it seems that morality is much more strictly enforced through the rule of law on the bottom of society than those at the top, so the choice is easier for some than others.

I have to say I felt the Tottenham MP fella coming out saying the riots were a disgrace was definitely a plus and hopefully more like minded community leaders will do similar.

As an interjection, Bill Cosby's social commentary is interesting I find... [url=

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FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT- I am not suggesting race is at the root of it- what BIll says could equally be said of white trash /neds / losers of whatever background. 😯

If they are blaiming twitter and facebook why can't they just shut them down until 48 hours after the riots finish?

Simple question, who are these "community leaders"

why should they be listened to? who do they represent?

All too often you have self selection going on, groups who appoint themselves claiming to serve a community when all they do is serve a small section of the community.

why don't they turn off the mobile network?
leave just the police on the network for now and turn off civi network would stop passing of info

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why don't they turn off the mobile network?
leave just the police on the network for now and turn off civi network would stop passing of info

No. no matter how f***ed up some tards make things, thats not the answer. One small step to:

Vodafone Group PLC and France Télécom SA, facing heat for complying with the Egyptian government's order to pull the plug on their networks last week, said Thursday that Egypt's government forced its way onto their mobile networks to send text messages directly to the country's people.

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703652104576122044234987416.html#ixzz1UTSFCiFL

And we as a nation are better than that. Better then Syria.

Get water canons and tear gas in I say ! Then follow the home to mummy and daddys house and kill the lot of them 🙂

Gotta agree with Houns' post of a couple of pages back. Unfortunately it was overlooked as it seemed to contain common sense.

RIM will be assisting the police with inquiries into Blackberry Messenger posts apparently.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/08/blackberry_riots/

CAn't do that FunkyDunc against their human rights I'm afraid!

Bloody helicopters giving me a headache.

FunkyDunc - Member

Then follow the home to mummy and daddys house and kill the lot of them

Munqe-chick - Member

CAn't do that FunkyDunc against their human rights I'm afraid!

😐

Just been out to pick up my Daughter and 9 police vans with the blues and twos
going to Galleon's Reach shopping centre in Beckton.

Also heard MC Donalds at Canningtown been recked and also
EastHam high street shops Argos and Primark have been targeted
amongst other shops in the high street.

We don't have any water cannons in England Wales or Scotland. The only ones we have readily available are in NI.

CS is the answer.

a lot of what is going on is based on the impression they can get away with it

the police have their own issues in the basics of policing these incidents
http://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/45255-gmp-governor-fails-shield-run-so-takes-force-to-tribunal/

also not helped by it being the new spectator sport

If Diane Abbott hardly the darling of the establishment is saying it's just criminality and not picking up all the interviewers offers of the usual suspects for "excuses" then I think their is something in it

there needs to a modern version of this

"Our sovereign Lord the King chargeth and commandeth all persons, being assembled, immediately to disperse themselves, and peaceably to depart to their habitations, or to their lawful business, upon the pains contained in the act made in the first year of King George, for preventing tumults and riotous assemblies. God save the King."

if you don't go home, you get pulled in and the justice cycle starts whether you are a rioter or just someone getting in the way

failing to police effectively leads to an impression that you can go anywhere and loot with impunity, all societies have rules and accepted behaviors, failure to police them destroys the society

as for the detailed root cause analysis and the potential solutions that needs people who are brighter than "two short thick planks" to look at it with an open mind. The solutions are probably harder than ever as the jobs market has forever changed due to the open labour market within the EU.

mrmo - Member

Simple question, who are these "community leaders"

why should they be listened to? who do they represent?

Err, People like mr Lammy, MP for tottenham perhaps? [img] [/img]
presumably elected by the locals?

The late evening suggestions are entertaining.

We don't have any water cannons in England Wales or Scotland. The only ones we have readily available are in NI.

CS is the answer.

4x1 they are looting on the Purley Way, CS gas would be useless - they are simply moving to where there's no police.

The water cannon issue is a human rights thing you know

Apparently the water has to be warm in case folks get a chill when hit by cold water...................

Yeah I heard about that about and hour ago!

Sorry to dissappoint but we don't have any water cannon on the mainland to the best of my knowledge, army may have some I suppose but they have only ever been used in NI in policing actions and it'll take a while to bring them over. Pity really as many of the UK's scrotes could do with a pressure wash.

Kidding aside its all getting a little bit nasty isn't it, I've been glued to the TV like its some grim disaster movie, couple of friends up in Camberwell area texting and it doesn't sound much fun.

Edit: beaten to the (watery) punch on the cannon

Apparently the water has to be warm in case folks get a chill when hit by cold water...................

Just swapped a few texts with a mate who is in the MET asking him why the Feds are being so "weak" in their response? His answer-

"Government policy apparently...."

police really are overwhelmed right now it seems

claphams been done over too now

the government have a policy?
or is it just - we'll wait till borris and dave get back coz i dont want to make any decisions?

Clapham's been done over too now

Yeah - because David Cameron doesn't have access to a phone/pc/video-conferencing capability 🙄

Surprised the Police never used tear gas to disperse the crowds and also
able to make arrests and break this up quickly.
Think the adults need to walk onto the streets and take control of there
communities and surrounding area's.

Well that just goes to show, mudshark, we need more youth clubs!

now, just be cynical, tell the police not to go in, use parliament to force through special measures. Ban any assemblies, reintroduce the riot act etc. Then when the cuts really start no protesting will occur.

If there's no water cannons here in the U.K., how about using some of these instead ?

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Just watched that vid. Does he clocked by someone at the end! Brave man if you ask me but a bloody fool also!!

Fark knows what their policy is...The whole "bath water warm cannon policy" is still ringing in my ears! This country has gone civil rights and policy f*ckin mad!!

Surprised the Police never used tear gas to disperse the crowds

problem is there's a lot of rubberneckers hanging around, and I think the police will be afraid of gassing the non-rioters.
and if that's not true, they'll probably use that as an excuse in the aftermath.

Carmichael water cannon! I think It may cut them In half.

It's going off in Birminham, JJB is taking a right hammering!

Think the adults need to walk onto the streets and take control of there
communities and surrounding area's.

Agreed. I waiting for the imams at the Croydon mosque to form a militia army - it put a stop to the looting Baghdad.

TJ and Fred hug a rioter

What idiot posted this tag? Come one, don't be coward; have the balls to say it in a post.

And then maybe have a read of other stuff I've posted about this; again, you might learn something.

Carmichael water cannon! I think It may cut them In half.

You say that like it's a bad thing... 😈

Must have a few of these at the City Airport.

fred you shouldnt let tags wind you up, wear it as a badge of pride that youve pi$$ed off a muppet

Looks like Jessops and Currys/Comet has been cleared out........Waterstones remains untouched.

Comment from a looter (female) when asked live a few minutes ago on Sky News what she was doing - "getting my taxes back". FFS 😯

wear it as a badge of pride that youve pi$$ed off a muppet

You're right actually. And there's an awful lot of muppets on here...

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Woody - Member
Looks like Jessops and Currys/Comet has been cleared out........Waterstones remains untouched.

This is what we need a no $hit Robot Police force

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ernie_lynch - Member

Think the adults need to walk onto the streets and take control of there
communities and surrounding area's.

Agreed. I waiting for the imams at the Croydon mosque to form a militia army - it put a stop to the looting Baghdad.

There are murmurs of vigilanties. In one instance a gang of muslim teenager protecting a mosque attacked a group trying to break into an islamic bank and there were also reports of a group of turkish men protecting there shops and dealing out beatings with baseball bats.

The general consensus in eltham is that if anyone comes in to steal or start fires they will be dealt with.

That's the spirit.

I think a branch of O'Neills was protected by fifteen men wearing helmets and carrying hurleys.

Text from my friend 'on the scene' - 'scumbags just kicked in doors of off licence over the road stealing all the booze, police need to man up'

hopefully his flat gets left alone, his flatmate has got a lovely road bike

Civil War has begun! Vive le revolution!

Civil War has begun! Vive le revolution!

because revolution is all about the theft of TVs and booze 🙄

EDIT: or are you being sarcastic?

If you're going to revolt, at least do it properly, seize and secure land!

I think a branch of O'Neills was protected by fifteen men wearing helmets and carrying hurleys

you lot of misfits watching newsnight now?

Sarcastic, it's a right bloody mess isn't it.

If you're going to revolt, at least do it properly, seize and secure land!

Pointless if your just going to lay in bed til 3pm the next day.

If you're going to revolt, at least do it properly, seize and secure land!

Hmm, you're right...

Where was it you live again?

The Met need to MTFU and get their fingers out of their fat arses, think i'll be safe enough in me sleepy wee village in the highlands unless the 2 village teenagers want to jump on the bandwagon and do the local post office!

so seems to me that the Big Inner City Gang in one area shows it's strength and power by ransacking their area and getting away with it...

the neighbouring BICG says "hey guys, that looks fun, and more importantly, we need to show this area is our area to ransack... make sure no other BICG's ransack our neighbourhood, we'll do it and show our power too"

neighbouring BICG's around london and other cities repeat-untill...!!!!

Where was it you live again?

relocating from your beloved london fred?

Are they still rioting? Aren't they going too tired to work effectively tomorrow? 🙄

Nah, just fancy somewhere to stash me bikes, and grow some tomatoes actually.

I got a tiny little plot in an urban garden scheme today! 🙂

Nobody seems to be asking why they are rioting.

I blame Thatcher

Red Ken making a **** of himself on the BBC, on there campaigning for his mayoral election campaign.

was thinking of your toms as I tended mine today.

I got a tiny little plot in an urban garden scheme today!

by gift or annexation?

He was campaigning wasnt he, wheres Boris? Has he legged it?

Stuey01 - Member
Red Ken making a **** of himself on the BBC, on there campaigning for his mayoral election campaign.

at least hes actually here wheres our self-styled top cop borris at the moment?

SBZ, surely they are rioting because they can!

Boris has been on his summer break, same as all the other politicians. He's cut it short and on his way back.

frac ealing and shepherds bush now

getting a bit near!

Oxboy _ I can riot, you can riot - we are not rioting. Why are this lot rioting? Is it because society has dropped a jobby on them from a great height? I think it probably has something to do with that.

they are rioting because they are poor and neglected, constantly told through advertising that the measure of their worth is the amount of things they own and the ultra rich they live right next to have just turned the screws on them again. sure its just an expression of anger but i can understand it even if i cant justify the damage.

Part of me thinks it would be a bit funny to watch the olympic stadium getting trashed.