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You do not get riots without a disaffected population
I read the term 'imported scrotes' as meaning the scum that come from outside the area where the looting is, spurred on by things such as
You think someone advocating sitting at a window and fireing marbles at people with a catapult is making a possible distinction between people from the area and people from round the corner, get real it was a clear racist remark.
Are you actively trying to misunderstand That would be using it, and as I said it's not a threat when it's not being used. But possession doesn't justify shooting someone.
why is that using it? surely using it is pulling the trigger or to a lesser extent 'pistol-whipping' with it???
the fact that he had a gun (and I base this on the [u][i][b]ASSUMPTION[/u][/i][/b] that it was not concealed and in plain sight) is a threat in out culture. If you went to, say, Iraq, where guns are much more common then fine, no threat. But here, on our streets, if I saw someone with a gun, I would view that as a threat regardless of what was being done with it.
ffs get over yourself. I also read it as people imported from other areas of London, not at all racist
You think someone advocating sitting at a window and [b]fireing[/b] ?? marbles at people with a catapult is making a possible distinction between people from the area and people from round the corner, get real it was a clear racist remark.
Well, I respect your opinion.
Even though you are totally wrong.
**** the cops.
morgs - Memberwhy is that using it? surely using it is pulling the trigger or to a lesser extent 'pistol-whipping' with it???
Obviously one of the uses of a gun- maybe the biggest use- is the threat of it. Are you going to say that someone who walks into a shop, points a gun at someone, and takes the til hasn't used a gun to rob someone?
Well the willfully ignorant, the deliberately obtuse and the 'funny' men are all out today. Notwithstanding that some of you could just be self-absorbed skin bags.
I use a sword for training. I carry it around in a locked bag in my locked boot when I go to training. This is common sense.
However, I could, legally, walk to training with it not in a bag. Am I [b]USING[/b] it, no.
My point isn't whether the threat is there or not....my point is that it isn't used.
Yes, we can go into deterrance theory if you want to, escalation etc etc, but the simple matter to the point I am making remains that to be used, it needs to be fired or hit with. A threat is someone's interpretations of someone elses actions.
Someone could feel threatened by me walking to training with a sword
see what I mean?
Just had 6 armored landrovers go past my work on Upper St, apparently there's trouble up at Highbury & Islington...
Mrs smudge works in one of the hospitals in bham and they've had a memo saying bham is on high alert tonight with rioting. Any excuse!
atlaz - MemberClearly photoshopped. Boris rides a unicorn.
Last thing I saw him riding was the Gravy Train
Yes, we can go into deterrance theory if you want to, escalation etc etc, but the simple matter to the point I am making remains that to be used, it needs to be fired or hit with. A threat is someone's interpretations of someone elses actions.
You don't have to fire a shot or hit anyone to be done for armed robbery.
I know nothing about London and its boroughs. What are the demographics of the areas where the riots are taking place?
Widespread riots like this are more than a reaction to someone being shot by police.
Has there ever been a similar series of riots in London in the past?
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/29/young-people-gangs-youth-clubs-close ]Goodbye clubs hello gangs[/url]
Just had 6 armored landrovers go past my work on Upper St, apparently there's trouble up at Highbury & Islington...
they weren't Landrovers, they were Jankles
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I saw them too as I went up Upper St.
had a bit of a nosey around Hackney too - lots of people knocking around, trouble in the air.
saw a group of 20 kids with hoods up going up St Pauls Rd towards Dalston
apparently there's trouble up at Highbury & Islington...
yea, Pret have just run out of falafel wraps.
I know nothing about London and its boroughs.
In 35 years of growing up and living in London the biggest problem I saw was drugs and the drugs trade.
Mrs smudge works in one of the hospitals in bham and they've had a memo saying bham is on high alert tonight with rioting. Any excuse!
They're attacking Brum?
morgs - MemberSomeone could feel threatened by me walking to training with a sword
In a bag? Not reasonably, no. Draw it and point it at someone- ie use it to threaten them- then yes.
Apparently, cyclists are being mugged in the [url= http://twitter.com/#!/tomlongmate/status/100618904900079616 ]streets[/url] for their bikes.
Right I think its time the rioters tasted their own blood before someone innocent dies in a fire.
I wonder how they decide which place they're gong to burn out..
So is this the security part of the Olympic Test Event weekend?
well, the latest place on fire in Peckham is a women's clothes shop
and greggs
Hora - don't you realise?
Heavy handed policing [i]causes[/i] riots
Just look at the telly - if the police weren't there, then these peaceful protesters could happily collect abandoned goods from these shops, and take them back home for safe keeping, and there would be [b]no[/b] rioting, everything would be calm and peaceful.
If the Police were not so aggressive, turning up with helmets and riot shields, then these poor innocent souls would not feel oppressed, and would not feel the need to throw bricks and petrol bombs, and could happily go about their peaceful business of robbing and burning without harassment!
Yep kicking off in Brum
I'm just heading out to pick myself some bits and pieces up from Selfridges and Harvey Nicks
Yeah stop and searches disrupt hardworking dealers from going about their valuable work 'for the communities needs'.
They deliver essential suppliers and shouldn't be hassled.
i do wonder how long the police will go before baton rounds start getting used.
And what then happens if/when someone gets killed.
the problem is, at the moment they're in small groups in London and not hanging around once they've looted somewhere or set fire to something.
there aren't massive groups of people to dissipate with water cannons or baton rounds
Its kicking off in Cardiff - Latest footage just in:
What should I arm myself with. These riots are getting a bit close to home now.
Bombers obviously...
Any news on N1/N4?
Kicking off in Yorkshire as well tonight..
bloody sheepdog carnt control sheep and the rabbits are looting my cabbages !!!
nothing to report in N1, those Jankels were heading to Dalston/ Hackney, not Highbury & Islington
Send the army in! That will sh1t them up. Got a few guards battalions in London. I will even throw my old gear on and get stuck in.
the problem is, at the moment they're in small groups in London and not hanging around once they've looted somewhere or set fire to something.
there aren't massive groups of people to dissipate with water cannons or baton rounds
Can't disagree, but at some point there will be a call to act, and what will that action be? water cannon does need a big group, but baton rounds can be seen to work against small groups.
All the shops are now closed in and around East Ham in E6
Send the army in! That will sh1t them up. Got a few guards battalions in London. I will even throw my old gear on and get stuck in
yup, deploy troops against civilians.
marvelous.
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deploy troops against citizens.
rioting citizens...
They've burnt Greggs?!!! Sweet Jesus!!! Is nothing sacred?!!
When it starts in your area how would you like the Police to restore order?
Ask to speak to their community leaders and offer them holidays to help them get over their criminal-minds?
I'm sure if a fire was started near your flat you'd ask for order to restored ASAP.
Send the army in!
They're a tad pre-occupied at the moment I believe. The ones who haven't just got their redundancy notices yet are anyway.
Hay...here's a thought. The ones who end up homeless and suffering with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder might throw in their lot with the rioters
SBZ; Samuel Pepys,describes riots in the 1600's century,usually after a hanging,he talks about groups of youths with scarf's around their faces causing "affront and insult" Same idea, different century.
Anyway;Large white van with lights and siren just come down my street, anybody want a 99?
I'm sure if a fire was started near your flat you'd ask for order to restored ASAP.
Yup, but if police actions were out of scale and inflammatory and it tipped the situation into a whole different kettle of monkeys, I'd not be best pleased.
Its kicking off all over!
A well-respect and elder member of the Northern Polar bear community was shot dead by police after eating a student.Outraged Polar bears from the region have started to loot and burn igloos and skidoos across the area. Humans living in the area are said to be terrified "they are behaving just like animals."
The bears are said to want more food, jobs given randomly and without basis of skill, and their furry bottoms wiped for them. All this in order for them to stop the carnage. Many were seen wearing new trainers and jewellery.
We interviewed a Polar bear who said :"Rrraawwrr!" Before eating our microphone.
Crikey! 😯
Show of force! Couple of euro fighters over head.
If a few hundred soldiers tipped up I would help the police. (but that's just my opinion)
Why does the army help the public at other times (ie when it snows/floods/ prison guards go on strike etc)
It'll be ED-209s next.
i am wondering why no use of CS gas, etc.
"They're a tad pre-occupied at the moment I believe. The ones who haven't just got their redundancy notices yet are anyway."
Ah that would be me then! (well I turned down ammo tech so they said "we offered you a re-trade so your not eligible for redundancy!")
Great
mrmo - Member
i am wondering why no use of CS gas, etc.
Pointless. Once the scrotes have teefed* enough blinging new kicks innit bruv ya get me though, yeah? they'll go home and get back to their ordinary lives again. Many of them won't have jobs to go to as they will have burnt down their own workplace.
*Rastamouse has a LOT to answer for, encouraging the use of Jafaican like that.
You best get your arse down to North End oneoneoneone - there's a stand-off between about 100 youth and the Old Bill 'cause it's been closed off to pedestrians. Mayday hospital has issue a statement saying that they are ready for casualties - I kid you not.
Couple of weeks back I was up in london town and saw the rather sinister sight of one of our Apache's doing a low/slow pass up the Thames, looked properly out of place, not so much tonight I would suspect.
Hopefully police can control it enough tonight that they get bored before other groups of chavs around the country copy it
I have also wondered why no CS or water cannons yet.
Maybe it a health and safety thing (ah I now have asthma because you used CS gas, and I was only going out to get my benefits ETC)
Pointless. Once the scrotes have teefed* enough blinging new kicks innit bruv they'll go home and get back to their pathetic little lives again.
It is about being seen to act though, we have to keep the daily mail readers happy.
England team are locked down in their hotel in Brum
@ oneoneoneone .....Too late - I've just checked and Croydon's kicked off
http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/news/local/topstories/9183466.LIVE__Riot_fallout_hits_Croydon/
Sorry, I mean EGG-209s.
Ernie, I know. My dad is a bus driver (out of south Croydon) just sent us a text telling us he had a message over the bus radio " attention all drivers! DO NOT GO INTO CROYDON BECAUSE OF RIOTING"
LOL
Im 200 plus miles away from london town , and theres no cars on the roads,
And i live on a busy road
Ernie, check out london road. Near evans cycles http://twitpic.com/632jg3
Never mind that, what's your dad doing sending texts whilst driving a bus???
Scary pic that last one 😯
Well if he can't go any where he though he though he would put us at ease.
Think he is on his way home now
Some of those fires look proper nasty. Can't help thinking that there could quite easily be deaths as a result.
Very dark days caused by a minority of idiots. Hope they get caught and dealt with appropriately
It's difficult to tell what's happening from that pic 4x1, just looks like a line of coppers who have closed off the pedestrianisation. But it's definitely NOT Thornton Heath !
Yeah defiantly not! West Croydon.
Well it's an argos they've been "liberating" their tellies from.
Just as well all these oppressed folks have access to camera/smart phones to post their pictures of being oppressed, eh?
Whats all this with community leaders? Is that like the chairman of the parish council in my village.It always seems to be ethnic minorities that have community spokes people speaking up for the latest dead miscreant removed from society by the police
Some community leader has blamed it on all the youth clubs being closed!! Is she taking the p155
Whats all this with community leaders? Is that like the chairman of the parish council in my village.
A bit like that. Check here :
They'd have some nice tellies for the youth clubs though. If there were any
oneoneoneone - Member
Some community leader has blamed it on all the youth clubs being closed!! Is she taking the p155
no shes just actually aware of the issues