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That is the Government for you opening the doors for scums and dead beats, I feared for the future in UK as this country is ruined now.
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You think [i]you're[/i] worried about the future of our country? Try being us reading that.
rainbow. rainbow rainbow rainbow.
rainbow.
edit. He isn't saying what I think he is saying is he?
Nah; surely [i]nobody[/i] could be that thick??
either spectacularly stupid or spectacularly ignorant.
a friend of ours in Enfield has just seen 20 hooded and masked people walk past their house on Ladysmith Road headed into Enfield Town
why, why, why...........
i can only hope for local resdents sake that these gangs are dealt with promptly by the Police to minimise intimidation and damage to the local law abiding residents
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Did he really say that? Is this 1972? What an utter twunt!!!
Seems as if Enfield is kicking off and some rioters have arrived by BIKE.
If anyone is planning on a night of rioting and mayhem, could you please pick me up a pair of black Adidas Samba Classic, size 42?
Thanks in advance.
Is there an Evans in Enfield?
What that shop for big lasses?
Have you put on weight, Dunt? 😯
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Is it kicking off tonight again?
Almost certainly. It'll be like the last wave of riots in the 80's. It will become a summer fad with lots of media hand-wringing going on.
mmm ... as a good guardian reader, I've been watching c4 news - lots of talk of inner city areas being a 'tinderbox', followed by the inevitable political point scoring about 'why'. Just made me think about the 'location assumptions' that exist - ie if you live in certain places you must be a violent criminal, whereas in other places the police are more likely to assume you're a fine upstanding member of society.
Used to happen all the time when I lived in Leeds - if you walked through chapeltown you'd often get stopped and searched for no particular reason, but as soon as you'd crossed over to headingley or chapel allerton, you were fine. Same person, looking / acting the same - but in one location regularly stopped by the police and in others you weren't. Maybe the continous differential treatment people get in different places leads to some of the 'tinderbox' that politicians are so keen to refer to.
I've noticed it even more since I've lived in rural backwaters of Scotland and Wales - despite living in inner city Leeds for years, the only place I've been shot at or threatened with a gun has been in Scotland. And the police reaction has been completely different - no armed response unit swooping down, just the local bobby strolling down to have a look and going 'ah yes, slightly different angle and it would have gone through the back of your head rather than just shooting out the rear windscreen - I'll go up tomorrow and have a chat'
maybe we need to consider how we treat people and communities, and how that then affects how they react?
I'm just off out to start a riot so I can loot me a new cooker, it aint my fault guv, society made me do it.
Seems tonight's trouble is more about youths having a do with the fuzz rather than any significant 'political' statement. Quite possibly some of those from last night fancying another night of grabbing stuff and having a buzz. Riots are very exciting and the adrenaline rush is tremendous.
A lot of anger out there though. And where? Seems to be concentrated in the more deprived areas, unsurprisingly.
it aint my fault guv, society made me do it
Of course individuals should have a grasp on social responsibility, but shoon't we be looking at [i]why[/i] some don't seem to have any sense of such responsibility, rather than getting all angry and condemning others?
Those idiots out there tonight are causing untold damage to society, not just a few shops etc. But maybe they just see it as a buzz, having a laugh, having a bit of power. I think the key is to harness that energy and use it in more positive and productive ways, because it can be done.
Not the easiest task when there are fewer decent jobs, prospects, opportunities and possibilities, and more frustration, resentment and fear.
I woon't want to be a young person growing up in an urban area right now.
harness that energy and use it in more positive and productive ways, because it can be done.
like rebuilding the homes and shops they have destroyed
like rebuilding the homes and shops they have destroyed
Isn't that the model used by the USA in Iraq?
that's irrelevant
For as long as there's been cities, there's been rioting. As soon as you put people into poverty and make them live on top of each other the foundation is created. I'm not sure that you can ever remove completely the likelihood of unrest without addressing poverty first.
It does amuse me when I listen to politicians and the police condemning the violence as being perpetrated by 'mindless thugs'. What does mindless thug actually mean? It's a sound bite, a stereotype. It's irelevant and condescending to the people involved and people observing. It serves no purpose other than to maintain the status quo. I'm sure that every person involved in the disorder had a reason, I doubt anyone 'mindlessly' went outside the other evening. As with many situations and conflicts we would be well served by listening to WHY before deciding HOW to resolve the problems.
Well, the last two main riots in Vancouver have been over hockey matches so that blows that theory out of the water.... Dickheads are dickheads....
Dickheads are dickheads
Reasonable analysis of the riots in general. None (or almost none) of the rioting was to do with the initial incident; it was just about the act of rioting and looting.
Incidentally, extra points to Elfin for posting that link to the Churchill page. It's the same sort of pseudo-intellectual crap that he (quite rightly) slams the EDL/BNP/far right for; fundamentally incorrect with just enough fact scattered around to further convince the already convinced of its truth.
These are very distinct as the Metropolitan Police uses dum dum type hollowed out bullets designed not to pass through an object.
Sorry for the change of subject, but I thought these were outlawed years ago. Designed to expand and fragment on impact to cause untold damage....that's what I thought.
From what I understand not all hollow-point rounds are dumdums. Supposedly the ones the police use don't fragment but they do mushroom slightly to stop it going through the person being shot.
horseshite of the highest order. Unless your idea of a reason is tograb a new tv or case of voddie from aldi'sI'm sure that every person involved in the disorder had a reason, I doubt anyone 'mindlessly' went outside the other evening.
Well he's right. Some went out to burn carpet right and loot xbox games. Some went out to lob bricks at the police and burn cars belonging to locals. That's going out with purpose!
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You've made my point for me really, sucked in by sound bites because it's easier than adressing the issues. Let's start with hockey shall we? It's not mindless, there's a point to it. Whats the point? Looting, there's a point to it, would it happen in Oslo? Why not, and what could be done to prevent it happening here? The only mindless behaviour is that of those watching and commenting. EVERYBODY ELSE has a purpose.
Eh? Please enlighten us soundbitebrainwashedmindlessones on this"purpose", I for one am ready to see the light
As soon as you put people into poverty and make them live on top of each other the foundation is created. I'm not sure that you can ever remove completely the likelihood of unrest without addressing poverty first.
So kids were nicking trainers because they live in poverty?
Come off it - it was just opportunists stealing crap - most of them will have got home (to their Wii and PS3) and realised that they had, in fact, just stolen 3 pairs of rugby boots, a sports bra and an umbrella and it will all be in the bin by now.
Come off it - it was just opportunists stealing crap -
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Welcome To Tory Britain.
See youse later, I'm off to the West End...
And labour Britain was riot free?
Jamie - surely that should read 'Steal more eggs'?
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Of course if Tottenham was branded better this wouldn't have happened. The lack of a good logo definitely caused this.
A quick spin through the beeb and other online sources will give you s starting point j_me, I'm not doing everything for you. Funny how it's always the poor who are 'mindless' isn't it? Why is that?
Eh? Please enlighten us soundbitebrainwashedmindlessones on this"purpose", I for one am ready to see the light
really? i mean, [i]really[/i]? c'mon, think about it. you'll be the first to admit you've seen quite enough light thank you.
Perhaps they're all angry about Luca Modric going to Chelsea?
I accept there are underlying social and economic problems, I accept that these are highly likey to give rise to malcontent and even civil unrest.
But what "purpose" were they united in, socio economic change? Nah, a general expression of discontent from some maybe. Opportunistic neds out for themselves definitely.
Welcome To Tory Britain.
who'd have thought 75% cuts to youth services in harringey this year wouldve come round to bite them in the ass so soon
Opportunistic neds out for themselves definitely.
It was city boys and Tories rioting then?
I believe that they were stealing xbox games from Currys, particularly historic role-play ones, so that they could fill in the gaps in their learning that the cuts in the education system have left.